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[Justaned]

Ed: "...authority in the name of Jesus Christ that demons will flee."

Chris
I totally believe that. That is not what is being discussed or at least wasn't what started this thread. It was stated that
WE have authority over Satan, no we can exercise our right to use Jesus name in whom all authority is given but we ourselves have none.

None of can order Satan to report to us.

If we could control Satan don't you think it would be simple matter of saying to Satan I command you that for the rest of my life you shall not tempt me, attempt to deceive me, and accuse me. You must stay a thousand spiritual light years from me.

But we all know the minute we let our guard down, the minute we let ourselves drift away from God, the minute we try to do something for God, Satan is there trying to mess things up.

None of us can command Satan not to shoot the fiery darts at us. We can only put on God protection trusting in God that none of the arrows will do us harm.

[Justaned]

EW Kenyon was a metaphysics teacher. He claimed nothing existed before it was spoken into existence.

Ed, the difference between you and me is I have read Kenyon. You have read what Kenyon's lying critics have said about Kenyon. You have gone on to repeat the lie. Here is a statement from Kenyon's own writings:

• Christian Science, Unity, and other Metaphysical and philosophical teachers of today do not believe that God is a person. They will tell you that He is a perfect mind, but He has no location. It is just a great universal mind which finds its home in every individual. He has no headquarters. It is a mind without a brain, without personality. They do not believe in sin as Paul taught it in the Revelation given to him. They do not believe that Jesus died for our sins, but that He died as a martyr. They do not believe He had a literal resurrection, a physical resurrection, but as one puts it, "a metaphysical resurrection." (whatever that means).
  
  If God is not a person and Jesus did not put sin away, then who is Jesus and what is the value of our faith in Him? One of them calls Him "The way-shower". He is not a way-shower. HE IS THE WAY. Their faith in Jesus and their faith in God is, after all, faith in themselves and what they inherently have within themselves. -Kenyon, The Two Kinds of Faith, pp. 17, 18

Kenyon was not even close to sympathizing with metaphysical cults. He strongly stood against their doctrine and I have much more quotes from his writings that can prove that.

No the difference between you and me is I'm not deceived into believing what man says over scripture. If scripture does not confirm a man's teaching I reject it. I don't try to justify it by grabbing a verse here and a verse there to prove the point.
That is the difference between you and me.

[cpbeller]

Ed: "...authority in the name of Jesus Christ that demons will flee."

Chris
I totally believe that. That is not what is being discussed or at least wasn't what started this thread. It was stated that
WE have authority over Satan, no we can exercise our right to use Jesus name in whom all authority is given but we ourselves have none.

None of can order Satan to report to us.

If we could control Satan don't you think it would be simple matter of saying to Satan I command you that for the rest of my life you shall not tempt me, attempt to deceive me, and accuse me. You must stay a thousand spiritual light years from me.

But we all know the minute we let our guard down, the minute we let ourselves drift away from God, the minute we try to do something for God, Satan is there trying to mess things up.

None of us can command Satan not to shoot the fiery darts at us. We can only put on God protection trusting in God that none of the arrows will do us harm.

uh, DUH...

Ed, you answered your own statement as to why we can't do that. Because the moment we drift away from God, he is right there. We DO have authority over the enemy...but it is not MY authority, it is the authority through Jesus. That is what has been said throughout this thread...

As far as using God's protection, His armor...we have the authority given to us to USE the armor of God. If we did not, we would not be able to use it. Can unbelievers use the Armor of God? No, because they have not been given the authority to put on the armor. Everything we have is through Christ. And yes, when I am weak (all the time), He is strong (all the time). That is not just a simple throw-away statement...that is covenant talk. In ourselves, we are weak, constantly so. But through the covenant, we have the right, the authority, to partake, to take on, his strength...which gives us the power to stand against (oppose, resist) the enemy, and by doing so (which can only be done by standing close to God), we are able to command the enemy to leave, and to flee.

It is through Christ, and Christ alone, that I stand...it is through Him that I have the Authority to use the Name, it is through his victory that I, too, can claim absolute victory over the enemy. It is not only a "hope", it is here, and it is now. For it is now, that I am MORE THAN A CONQUEROR (not later at the resurrection, but NOW). It is now that I am IN CHRIST (not later at the resurrection, but NOW). It is now that I am the Righteousness of God in Him (not later at the resurrection, but NOW). For it is now that all the promises of God in Him are yes and so be it (not later at the resurrection, but NOW). For now Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things clearly not seen...not later at the resurrection...it is NOW. We are to NOW wear the full armor of God. It is NOW that we are to use the Name of Jesus. It is NOW that we are to walk in love. It is NOW that we are joint-heirs of God, and it is NOW that we are heirs of God. It is NOW that I am a new creation. It is NOW that I have the Holy Spirit dwelling on the inside of me. It is NOW that I can come boldly to the throne of grace to find help and mercy in my time of need. All of these things are not for later, they are not a "hope" for me to have later, they are mine, NOW.

But none of these things are mine if I am OUTSIDE of Christ. No unbeliever has access to any of this while in unbelief. It is only through faith, and faith in His Name (as Peter said). We are given His Name NOW. Not later, but NOW. That Name, and all the power that comes from that Name is needed in this world...NOW.

[Rocky]

rocky
See you were having a normal discussion and offering an opinion then you started the unicorn personal attacks. Why did you feel you needed to do that? Is that how you want to be treated? I don't get it.

Ed the unicorn thing was a joke, do you really want me to bring up some of the things you have said to others

We don't have authority over Satan in ourselves or otherwise.

I agree, I never said we have this in our selves. Not one person said that, you seem to jump on peoples statements with out reading them..

Satan does not answer to us, yet he must answer to God and Christ Jesus. However I do believe Jesus has given us a victory in that Satan can not cross the blood line of Jesus. But it does require us to stay under the blood.

No Satan cant take our salvation, but he tries, that why Jesus gave us authority over him through his name.

I have dealt with demonics and I know it was not by my might or by my power, nor by my authority but by the authority in the name of Jesus Christ that demons will flee.

Ed that is called having authority over the devil.

They don't flee me but flee the name of Jesus.

Agreed, that is still called having authority over the devil through Jesus, which is what I have been saying all along.

No I'm not telling you Satan is bound but most that happens today is not of Satan but is the fleshly lusts of man. Lust of eyes, lust of the flesh and pride of life. These are ingrained in our sin nature that must be crucified on the cross.

Agreed but the devil is behind a lot of this stuff. just go witness to some unbelievers, you will find this out Reach out to Homosexuals, Satanist, atheist, drug addicts(if you don't know any go find some and just interact with them in person or online) and you will be forced to exercise your God given authority. The devil does not like it when you do this so you ended up having to use you sword alot

YOu don't have to fight the enemy you have to draw close to God and resist the enemy.Big differance

that is only half true. Why do you think Paul liken us to solders in batlle?

What are you going to fight with?

Hello,I have some armor, my faith in the name of Jesus and my sword silly, even a child knows that poopie pants lol

You know nothing of the spiritual realm where Satan resides

Umm Ed that is what the Bible is for. And yes God does gives us knowledge of this.

We must deal with demonics because they have manifested themselves in our physical reality. But again the fight in not ours but it is the Lords.

Who do you think God uses for this? Us. Like I said go out and witness and share your faith or just interact and be your self with those that are not Christians, then you will be forced to fight and use your God given authority over the devil.

This discussion started when someone spoke of THEIR AUTHORITY over Satan. I asked and still do show me where we have authority over Satan. Jesus is the one with all authority not us.

Ed no offence and I hate to say it, but do you actually read your bible to find out truth or to prove you ideas? Jesus Gave us ahtority
Here is just a few things Jesus said:
"Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you."

"For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch"

And this one, remember this?
Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases"

Believe me I have been under attack by evil spiritual beings. Godly spiritual influences would not call me the names I have been called in this thread alone. Those kind of names come from one place and one place only. Ephesians 6:12 (NKJV)
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
So I take up my armor and stand. Jesus will fight the battle.

Ok, But remember you have have a sword to

[Justaned]

rocky
See you were having a normal discussion and offering an opinion then you started the unicorn personal attacks. Why did you feel you needed to do that? Is that how you want to be treated? I don't get it.

Ed the unicorn thing was a joke, do you really want me to bring up some of the things you have said to others

Rocky if I have and that taught you to demean other as being acceptable then I repent and ask the Lord forgiveness.

We don't have authority over Satan in ourselves or otherwise.

I agree, I never said we have this in our selves. Not one person said that, you seem to jump on peoples statements with out reading them..

I think you need to reread this thread a few have said they have authority over Satan.[/quote]

Satan does not answer to us, yet he must answer to God and Christ Jesus. However I do believe Jesus has given us a victory in that Satan can not cross the blood line of Jesus. But it does require us to stay under the blood.

No Satan cant take our salvation, but he tries, that why Jesus gave us authority over him through his name.

We are in agreement on this.

I have dealt with demonics and I know it was not by my might or by my power, nor by my authority but by the authority in the name of Jesus Christ that demons will flee.

Ed that is called having authority over the devil.

They don't flee me but flee the name of Jesus.

Agreed, that is still called having authority over the devil through Jesus, which is what I have been saying all along.

It may be what is called as having authority but it is false we have no authority. But Satan does not have to listen to us. If Satan did don't you think everyone would simply say to Satan stay away from me? They might say it but we all know Satan will sit and wait until the time is right and launch yet another attack.
Our defense? Staying close to God, and having the armor on that God gave us to wear at all times. If we had authority to tell Satan what to do why would we need this armor to withstand Satan's attacks? Why would we need to withstand fiery darts?

Rocky watch what people say, people casually will say we have authority then later they will also play on this point eventually getting to the place where they will say that we are equal to Christ. People love to hear this. Adam and Eve did in the garden and people still do today.

No I'm not telling you Satan is bound but most that happens today is not of Satan but is the fleshly lusts of man. Lust of eyes, lust of the flesh and pride of life. These are ingrained in our sin nature that must be crucified on the cross.

Agreed but the devil is behind a lot of this stuff. just go witness to some unbelievers, you will find this out Reach out to Homosexuals, Satanist, atheist, drug addicts(if you don't know any go find some and just interact with them in person or online) and you will be forced to exercise your God given authority. The devil does not like it when you do this so you ended up having to use you sword alot

Do you really believe I live that protected of a life? If you do you are wrong.

YOu don't have to fight the enemy you have to draw close to God and resist the enemy.Big differance

that is only half true. Why do you think Paul liken us to solders in batlle?

What are you going to fight with?

Hello,I have some armor, my faith in the name of Jesus and my sword silly, even a child knows that poopie pants lol

How does sayiing poopie pants add to an adult discussion?

You know nothing of the spiritual realm where Satan resides

Umm Ed that is what the Bible is for. And yes God does gives us knowledge of this.

That is right all we know of the spiritual realm is what scripture has revealed and that is almost nothing.

We must deal with demonics because they have manifested themselves in our physical reality. But again the fight in not ours but it is the Lords.

Who do you think God uses for this? Us. Like I said go out and witness and share your faith or just interact and be your self with those that are not Christians, then you will be forced to fight and use your God given authority over the devil.

This discussion started when someone spoke of THEIR AUTHORITY over Satan. I asked and still do show me where we have authority over Satan. Jesus is the one with all authority not us.

Ed no offence and I hate to say it, but do you actually read your bible to find out truth or to prove you ideas? Jesus Gave us ahtority
Here is just a few things Jesus said:
"Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you."

"For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch"

And this one, remember this?
Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases"

this last verse you gave is key Jesus called his disciples together and gave them power and authority. This was before the cross and it was for them only and it was temporal. From the the cross on everything they did was in the name of Jesus not their authority.

Believe me I have been under attack by evil spiritual beings. Godly spiritual influences would not call me the names I have been called in this thread alone. Those kind of names come from one place and one place only. Ephesians 6:12 (NKJV)
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
So I take up my armor and stand. Jesus will fight the battle.

Ok, But remember you have have a sword to

The sword is the word of God in the word is authority not in me. I have nothing except for what God gives me.

[victoryword]

No the difference between you and me is I'm not deceived into believing what man says over scripture. If scripture does not confirm a man's teaching I reject it. I don't try to justify it by grabbing a verse here and a verse there to prove the point.
That is the difference between you and me.

You have believed what someone said about Kenyon, I showed you from Kenyon's own words that he was not what you claimed, and now this is your response? Oh Ed, you really are a troll. You know, it is fun having these banters with you but at the same time I really wonder about your mental health.

Have a nice day Ed. I need a break from this silliness of yours.

[branham1965]

if theres one thing in this world i cannot stand its a bully.

the fact that people even Preachers pile on a 70 year old Minister on here like he is a dog it is getting out of hand.

sighs.

[Justaned]

No the difference between you and me is I'm not deceived into believing what man says over scripture. If scripture does not confirm a man's teaching I reject it. I don't try to justify it by grabbing a verse here and a verse there to prove the point.
That is the difference between you and me.

You have believed what someone said about Kenyon, I showed you from Kenyon's own words that he was not what you claimed, and now this is your response? Oh Ed, you really are a troll. You know, it is fun having these banters with you but at the same time I really wonder about your mental health.

Have a nice day Ed. I need a break from this silliness of yours.

Of course Kenyon when pressed is going to deny he is anything but a man of God. That is what he wants people to think.
And depending on his deception he might even believe it himself. However I have read Kenyon and he is most definitely into metaphysics.

Having spent many weeks of study of Kenyon's works for course preparation I believe I'm fully aware of Kenyon false teaching. To my shame I once use his falsehoods to teach half truths and falsehoods. I have since repented and asked and received forgiveness for this. If this wasn't the case there would have been no need for God to forgive me, yet God assured me that he saw the deception, and has seen my repentance and therefore God would forgive me.

So while you call it silliness I call it life and death for those that get caught up in the lies of metaphysical teachings of Kenyon.

[macca]

Do we have authority over satan and his church?

Heb. 1:4;
(Jesus) Being made so much better than the angels, as he has by inheritance obtained a more excellent NAME than tyey.

Eph. 1.19-21;
what is the exceeding greatness of His power
which He wrought in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead, and set Him at His own right hand in the heavenly places,
Far above ALL principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and EVERY NAME THAT IS NAMED, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come.

Phil. 2.9-10;
Wherefore God has highly exalted Him, and given Him a NAME which is above every name.
That at the name of Jesus EVERY knee should bow, of beings in heaven, and beings on earth, and beings under the earth.
(satan is included in EVERY KNEE)

The name of Jesus belongs to the church.

Eph. 1.21-23;
jesus is far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world,
but also in that which is to come.
And God has put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the CHURCH,
which is His body, the fullness of Him that fills all in all.

1Cor. 12:27-28;
Now you are the BODY OF CHRIST, and members in PARTICULAR.
and God has set some in the CHURCH.

jOHN. 14:12-14;
Truely, truely, I say to you, he that believes on me, the works that I do shall he do also, and greater works than these shall he do, because I go to my Father.
And whatsoever you shall ask (demand) IN MY NAME, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
If you shall ask (demand) any thing IN MY NAME, I will do it.

The word of God is clear.

Macca
Do these verses really say you have authority over Satan? Does Satan have to respond to you? Can you command Satan to do anything? If you can tell him to report to you and tell you specifically what trouble he created in the last 24 hours.

Ed, your responce is the same as satan's responce to Eve in the garden.

[Justaned]

Do we have authority over satan and his church?

Heb. 1:4;
(Jesus) Being made so much better than the angels, as he has by inheritance obtained a more excellent NAME than tyey.

Eph. 1.19-21;
what is the exceeding greatness of His power
which He wrought in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead, and set Him at His own right hand in the heavenly places,
Far above ALL principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and EVERY NAME THAT IS NAMED, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come.

Phil. 2.9-10;
Wherefore God has highly exalted Him, and given Him a NAME which is above every name.
That at the name of Jesus EVERY knee should bow, of beings in heaven, and beings on earth, and beings under the earth.
(satan is included in EVERY KNEE)

The name of Jesus belongs to the church.

Eph. 1.21-23;
jesus is far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world,
but also in that which is to come.
And God has put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the CHURCH,
which is His body, the fullness of Him that fills all in all.

1Cor. 12:27-28;
Now you are the BODY OF CHRIST, and members in PARTICULAR.
and God has set some in the CHURCH.

jOHN. 14:12-14;
Truely, truely, I say to you, he that believes on me, the works that I do shall he do also, and greater works than these shall he do, because I go to my Father.
And whatsoever you shall ask (demand) IN MY NAME, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
If you shall ask (demand) any thing IN MY NAME, I will do it.

The word of God is clear.

Macca
Do these verses really say you have authority over Satan? Does Satan have to respond to you? Can you command Satan to do anything? If you can tell him to report to you and tell you specifically what trouble he created in the last 24 hours.

Ed, your responce is the same as satan's responce to Eve in the garden.

Satan challenged Eve to test God. I'm challenging you to test Satan and your claimed ability to control him.