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[Justaned]

Billy...of course Jesus was tempted. And of course Jesus did not have a sin nature. That is my entire point. Ed has stated that it is impossible to be tempted WITHOUT having a sin nature.

If what Ed has said is true, then either the Word is false and Jesus was not truly tempted, or...Jesus had a sin nature.

Where in scripture does it say Jesus did not have a sin nature a propensity for sin. It says we was man and like man in all ways.

Romans 7:18-25 (NKJV)
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.
22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
25 I thank God--through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

[branham1965]

AMEN.

Billy...of course Jesus was tempted. And of course Jesus did not have a sin nature. That is my entire point. Ed has stated that it is impossible to be tempted WITHOUT having a sin nature.

If what Ed has said is true, then either the Word is false and Jesus was not truly tempted, or...Jesus had a sin nature.

[Rocky]

Where in scripture does it say Jesus did not have a sin nature a propensity for sin. It says we was man and like man in all ways.

Romans 7:18-25 (NKJV)
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.
22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
25 I thank God--through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Ed please don't get mad,I was wondering when you were going to use romans chapter 7 because I knew you were going to. This is a pictures of Paul trying to keep the law as a Pharisee and found that he was unable to, this is not a picture of a redeemed person. Ed you sure love your defeatist form of Christianity. Where is there any victory, I mean no authority over the devil, no prayers are answered or at least most can't be. And we still have a sin nature that we can't control in Christ. Man I had this in the world when I was an unbeliever sheesh. In my opinion You are pitching such a warped version of Christianity. You have even tried to get me to doubt even What Jesus said, and the promises that we have in the Bible. Here is a some up what I have seen from you in a couple of threads.
No authority
no healing
no prosperity
no needs and wants met
legalism
Controlled by the sin nature.
Jesus did not actually mean what he says.
I may be wrong about this but in a way you make God to be some distant cold stepfather who does not help his children. Almost like in greek mythology fashion your god sounds more like Zeus than the God that is portrayed in the bible, I am sorry, I do see it that way. You see in greek mythology the gods were cold tyrannical and did not really help their worshipers. And they sure did not promise anything to any Body. Allow me to explain this further. You are given clear cut and concise scripture about what God has promised concerning us in his written word and you dismiss it and tempt people to doubt it. Why? Perhaps in you heresy hunter mentality you have overlooked what the bible really says?

[bibleman]

Where in scripture does it say Jesus did not have a sin nature a propensity for sin. It says we was man and like man in all ways.

Romans 7:18-25 (NKJV)
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.
22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
25 I thank God--through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Ed please don't get mad,I was wondering when you were going to use romans chapter 7 because I knew you were going to. This is a pictures of Paul trying to keep the law as a Pharisee and found that he was unable to, this is not a picture of a redeemed person. Ed you sure love your defeatist form of Christianity. Where is there any victory, I mean no authority over the devil, no prayers are answered or at least most can't be. And we still have a sin nature that we can't control in Christ. Man I had this in the world when I was an unbeliever sheesh. In my opinion You are pitching such a warped version of Christianity. You have even tried to get me to doubt even What Jesus said, and the promises that we have in the Bible. Here is a some up what I have seen from you in a couple of threads.
No authority
no healing
no prosperity
no needs and wants met
legalism
Controlled by the sin nature.
Jesus did not actually mean what he says.
I may be wrong about this but in a way you make God to be some distant cold stepfather who does not help his children. Almost like in greek mythology fashion your god sounds more like Zeus than the God that is portrayed in the bible, I am sorry, I do see it that way. You see in greek mythology the gods were cold tyrannical and did not really help their worshipers. And they sure did not promise anything to any Body. Allow me to explain this further. You are given clear cut and concise scripture about what God has promised concerning us in his written word and you dismiss it and tempt people to doubt it. Why? Perhaps in you heresy hunter mentality you have overlooked what the bible really says?

Welcome to the world of Ed!

I think you have him figured out.

[branham1965]

But what concerns me- because i consider him a board friend ...is that he does not pray that way!!!!you can tell alot about a believer by their prayers.look how he prayed for Bother Chris!!! he sounds like a ...WOF or Charismatic Preacher!!!!
i think he is ...i just dont know.

[Justaned]

Where in scripture does it say Jesus did not have a sin nature a propensity for sin. It says we was man and like man in all ways.

Romans 7:18-25 (NKJV)
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.
22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
25 I thank God--through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Ed please don't get mad,I was wondering when you were going to use romans chapter 7 because I knew you were going to. This is a pictures of Paul trying to keep the law as a Pharisee and found that he was unable to, this is not a picture of a redeemed person. Ed you sure love your defeatist form of Christianity. Where is there any victory, I mean no authority over the devil, no prayers are answered or at least most can't be. And we still have a sin nature that we can't control in Christ. Man I had this in the world when I was an unbeliever sheesh. In my opinion You are pitching such a warped version of Christianity. You have even tried to get me to doubt even What Jesus said, and the promises that we have in the Bible. Here is a some up what I have seen from you in a couple of threads.
No authority
no healing
no prosperity
no needs and wants met
legalism
Controlled by the sin nature.
Jesus did not actually mean what he says.
I may be wrong about this but in a way you make God to be some distant cold stepfather who does not help his children. Almost like in greek mythology fashion your god sounds more like Zeus than the God that is portrayed in the bible, I am sorry, I do see it that way. You see in greek mythology the gods were cold tyrannical and did not really help their worshipers. And they sure did not promise anything to any Body. Allow me to explain this further. You are given clear cut and concise scripture about what God has promised concerning us in his written word and you dismiss it and tempt people to doubt it. Why? Perhaps in you heresy hunter mentality you have overlooked what the bible really says?

Yes yes I heard all that nonsense before Rocky. How come when I say something is metaphor in scripture everyone tells oh no that is to be taken literally but when I take something literally in scripture the same people come back and say oh you can't that literally that is a metaphor? Why is that?

Paul was saying the same all of us do if we are honest. We sin not intentionally but we sin and the reason we sin is we have a propensity for sin that has been in us from birth. We must fight daily not to sin. What do we fight against? Our sin nature. As paul said there are times he lets his guard down and his body has it way, blurting out in anger as someone. Paul said he never intended to do that but his old man is sin nature escaped and had his way to Paul regret.

Do you not sin? Do you not regret that sin? Or are you one of these that says they never sin?

[Justaned]

Here is a some up what I have seen from you in a couple of threads.
No authority
no healing
no prosperity
no needs and wants met
legalism
Controlled by the sin nature.
Jesus did not actually mean what he says.
I may be wrong about this but in a way you make God to be some distant cold stepfather who does not help his children.

Rocky
You may think that is what I said but it isn't

We have authority to use the name of Jesus to rebuke Satan, such as, "the Lord Rebukes you, in the name of Jesus"
We have healing but not every healing occurs this side of heaven and if one isn't healed while sin and/or a lack of faith can be the cause it is not the only cause. Many times there are reasons only God know why.

We have all we need through God, as God's servants God provisions us to accomplish God's assigned tasks. If we seek wealth to satisfy the flesh then we are in error.

All our needs are met by God, provided we are in God's will. If we live like a bum against scripture then we will have needs that are not met.

I have no legalism the law is fulfilled in Christ. It is you that wants to establish formula's and rules that must be executed before God even hears your prayers. God hear mine simply because I am His child.

I didn't say we will controlled by a sin nature even once that is lie. I said we have a propensity for sin. That is defined as having a sin nature. If we didn't have a propensity for sin we could not be tempted nor would we have any need of an intercessor in Christ Jesus.

Jesus actually meant everything He said. The fact you want to put words into His mouth is where we are having problems.

You say I make God a cold and distant stepfather. NONSENSE! I say God hears me when I call to Him. I say God has promised to make all things work to my good because I love Him and I am called to His purpose. You say God only hears if we have enough faith, not because we are His child. You say God only acts if we have enough faith not because He loves us and wants the best for us. You say we must have faith in our faith to get what we want from God. I say all I have to do is trust my heavenly Father because He has already promised to make it all work to my good.

Who sounds more cold and distant your god or my God the only living God.

[Rocky]

Where in scripture does it say Jesus did not have a sin nature a propensity for sin. It says we was man and like man in all ways.

Romans 7:18-25 (NKJV)
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.
22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
25 I thank God--through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Ed please don't get mad,I was wondering when you were going to use romans chapter 7 because I knew you were going to. This is a pictures of Paul trying to keep the law as a Pharisee and found that he was unable to, this is not a picture of a redeemed person. Ed you sure love your defeatist form of Christianity. Where is there any victory, I mean no authority over the devil, no prayers are answered or at least most can't be. And we still have a sin nature that we can't control in Christ. Man I had this in the world when I was an unbeliever sheesh. In my opinion You are pitching such a warped version of Christianity. You have even tried to get me to doubt even What Jesus said, and the promises that we have in the Bible. Here is a some up what I have seen from you in a couple of threads.
No authority
no healing
no prosperity
no needs and wants met
legalism
Controlled by the sin nature.
Jesus did not actually mean what he says.
I may be wrong about this but in a way you make God to be some distant cold stepfather who does not help his children. Almost like in greek mythology fashion your god sounds more like Zeus than the God that is portrayed in the bible, I am sorry, I do see it that way. You see in greek mythology the gods were cold tyrannical and did not really help their worshipers. And they sure did not promise anything to any Body. Allow me to explain this further. You are given clear cut and concise scripture about what God has promised concerning us in his written word and you dismiss it and tempt people to doubt it. Why? Perhaps in you heresy hunter mentality you have overlooked what the bible really says?

Yes yes I heard all that nonsense before Rocky. How come when I say something is metaphor in scripture everyone tells oh no that is to be taken literally but when I take something literally in scripture the same people come back and say oh you can't that literally that is a metaphor? Why is that?

Paul was saying the same all of us do if we are honest. We sin not intentionally but we sin and the reason we sin is we have a propensity for sin that has been in us from birth. We must fight daily not to sin. What do we fight against? Our sin nature. As paul said there are times he lets his guard down and his body has it way, blurting out in anger as someone. Paul said he never intended to do that but his old man is sin nature escaped and had his way to Paul regret.

Do you not sin? Do you not regret that sin? Or are you one of these that says they never sin?

Ed you did not really read what I wrote did you?

[Rocky]

Where in scripture does it say Jesus did not have a sin nature a propensity for sin. It says we was man and like man in all ways.

Romans 7:18-25 (NKJV)
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.
22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
25 I thank God--through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Ed please don't get mad,I was wondering when you were going to use romans chapter 7 because I knew you were going to. This is a pictures of Paul trying to keep the law as a Pharisee and found that he was unable to, this is not a picture of a redeemed person. Ed you sure love your defeatist form of Christianity. Where is there any victory, I mean no authority over the devil, no prayers are answered or at least most can't be. And we still have a sin nature that we can't control in Christ. Man I had this in the world when I was an unbeliever sheesh. In my opinion You are pitching such a warped version of Christianity. You have even tried to get me to doubt even What Jesus said, and the promises that we have in the Bible. Here is a some up what I have seen from you in a couple of threads.
No authority
no healing
no prosperity
no needs and wants met
legalism
Controlled by the sin nature.
Jesus did not actually mean what he says.
I may be wrong about this but in a way you make God to be some distant cold stepfather who does not help his children. Almost like in greek mythology fashion your god sounds more like Zeus than the God that is portrayed in the bible, I am sorry, I do see it that way. You see in greek mythology the gods were cold tyrannical and did not really help their worshipers. And they sure did not promise anything to any Body. Allow me to explain this further. You are given clear cut and concise scripture about what God has promised concerning us in his written word and you dismiss it and tempt people to doubt it. Why? Perhaps in you heresy hunter mentality you have overlooked what the bible really says?

Welcome to the world of Ed!

I think you have him figured out.

Well stop the world I want to get off lol

[branham1965]

i think that was aces REVED

Here is a some up what I have seen from you in a couple of threads.
No authority
no healing
no prosperity
no needs and wants met
legalism
Controlled by the sin nature.
Jesus did not actually mean what he says.
I may be wrong about this but in a way you make God to be some distant cold stepfather who does not help his children.

Rocky
You may think that is what I said but it isn't

We have authority to use the name of Jesus to rebuke Satan, such as, "the Lord Rebukes you, in the name of Jesus"
We have healing but not every healing occurs this side of heaven and if one isn't healed while sin and/or a lack of faith can be the cause it is not the only cause. Many times there are reasons only God know why.

We have all we need through God, as God's servants God provisions us to accomplish God's assigned tasks. If we seek wealth to satisfy the flesh then we are in error.

All our needs are met by God, provided we are in God's will. If we live like a bum against scripture then we will have needs that are not met.

I have no legalism the law is fulfilled in Christ. It is you that wants to establish formula's and rules that must be executed before God even hears your prayers. God hear mine simply because I am His child.

I didn't say we will controlled by a sin nature even once that is lie. I said we have a propensity for sin. That is defined as having a sin nature. If we didn't have a propensity for sin we could not be tempted nor would we have any need of an intercessor in Christ Jesus.

Jesus actually meant everything He said. The fact you want to put words into His mouth is where we are having problems.

You say I make God a cold and distant stepfather. NONSENSE! I say God hears me when I call to Him. I say God has promised to make all things work to my good because I love Him and I am called to His purpose. You say God only hears if we have enough faith, not because we are His child. You say God only acts if we have enough faith not because He loves us and wants the best for us. You say we must have faith in our faith to get what we want from God. I say all I have to do is trust my heavenly Father because He has already promised to make it all work to my good.

Who sounds more cold and distant your god or my God the only living God.