Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ What is faith?

[victoryword]

I not going to argue this with you obviously you meant something different than I understood you to say when you said the Word of Faith. My mistake.
They didn't hear the Word of Faith they heard God and trusted in God is what I'm saying. They didn't have to have any special teaching, Word of Faith teaching to do so.

You won't argue this with me because you would be once again contradicting the very Bible itself, and you don't want to be called out on it again. God's Word is "the voice of God" and it is the "Word of Faith".

• If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it. (Deut. 30:10-14)
  
  But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach (Rom. 10:6-8)

So Ed, Scripture, as usual, goes against your false teaching.

[frad70]

whats exactly is your point???

Does God HAVE TO save EVERYONE who applies Ro 10:9-10&17 or could He choose not to?

it is that God HAS TO do some things - everything He promised He'd do He WILL do.

God doesn't have to do anything.

My Bible says He does. My Bible says He cannot lie. If yours says otherwise sell it or bin it and get a better translation my brother.

[bibleman]

whats exactly is your point???

Does God HAVE TO save EVERYONE who applies Ro 10:9-10&17 or could He choose not to?

it is that God HAS TO do some things - everything He promised He'd do He WILL do.

God doesn't have to do anything.

My Bible says He does. My Bible says He cannot lie. If yours says otherwise sell it or bin it and get a better translation my brother.

[Justaned]

I don't disagree with Spurgeon.
The point I was making is there is a world of difference between saying "God must" or "God has to" and saying "God will"

If you don't/can't/refuse to see that difference what can I say?

The idea God has to do anything is an antithesis to the meaning of God. For man to presume to be able to judge God is both prideful and heretical. For man to try to force an idea by saying God "has to" is blasphemy.

Will God do it? If God said He would He will. Nothing more needs to be said. And I refuse to respect or listen to any preacher that uses the words God must, or God has to. The man is speaking of things he does not understand but more importantly does not fear. Proverbs 1:7 (NKJV)
7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Psalm 111:10 (NKJV)
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all those who do His commandments. His praise endures forever.

Semantics.

If God has bound Himself to something then He must do it. There is no difference between what Frad70 said, what the Faith Teachers have said (which you call false), and what Spurgeon has said.

Semantics to you. The respect, reverence and the fear of God to me.

[Justaned]

whats exactly is your point???

Does God HAVE TO save EVERYONE who applies Ro 10:9-10&17 or could He choose not to?

it is that God HAS TO do some things - everything He promised He'd do He WILL do.

God doesn't have to do anything.

My Bible says He does. My Bible says He cannot lie. If yours says otherwise sell it or bin it and get a better translation my brother.

As I said there is a big difference in saying God must do something or God has to do something over saying God has promised He will do something or God will do it because that is what God has promised.

If you can't see the difference you never will so let us move on.

[cpbeller]

Ed...can God be a covenant-breaker?

In other words...Does God have the ability to sin (or, in terms that you would understand, Does God the Father have a "sin nature")?

[bibleman]

whats exactly is your point???

Does God HAVE TO save EVERYONE who applies Ro 10:9-10&17 or could He choose not to?

it is that God HAS TO do some things - everything He promised He'd do He WILL do.

God doesn't have to do anything.

My Bible says He does. My Bible says He cannot lie. If yours says otherwise sell it or bin it and get a better translation my brother.

As I said there is a big difference in saying God must do something or God has to do something over saying God has promised He will do something or God will do it because that is what God has promised.

If you can't see the difference you never will so let us move on.

Hi Ed,

Do you believe that "God will do it because that is what God has promised" ?

I do! ...and that is what WOF people teach.

[Justaned]

Ed...can God be a covenant-breaker?

In other words...Does God have the ability to sin (or, in terms that you would understand, Does God the Father have a "sin nature")?

I never suggested, implied or said God was a covenant breaker so where is this coming from? Again you try to twist people's thinking in an attempt to invalidate what I said and validate what you said.

No God is not a covenant Breaker. So don't even go there!

[Justaned]

whats exactly is your point???

Does God HAVE TO save EVERYONE who applies Ro 10:9-10&17 or could He choose not to?

it is that God HAS TO do some things - everything He promised He'd do He WILL do.

God doesn't have to do anything.

My Bible says He does. My Bible says He cannot lie. If yours says otherwise sell it or bin it and get a better translation my brother.

As I said there is a big difference in saying God must do something or God has to do something over saying God has promised He will do something or God will do it because that is what God has promised.

If you can't see the difference you never will so let us move on.

Hi Ed,

Do you believe that "God will do it because that is what God has promised" ?

Yes that is what I said.

I do! ...and that is what WOF people teach.

Of course it is, but then they go beyond and that is where they get into falsehoods. If you don't go beyond then praise God. You might consider renaming your theology to one that isn't used by people known to go beyond that point.

[cpbeller]

Ed...can God be a covenant-breaker?

In other words...Does God have the ability to sin (or, in terms that you would understand, Does God the Father have a "sin nature")?

I never suggested, implied or said God was a covenant breaker so where is this coming from? Again you try to twist people's thinking in an attempt to invalidate what I said and validate what you said.

No God is not a covenant Breaker. So don't even go there!

Ok, well, you may want to think about changing your password, then, because you have been hacked...

If you did not say this: "The point I was making is there is a world of difference between saying "God must" or "God has to" and saying "God will"", then you were hacked.

If you did not say this: "God doesn't have to do anything.", then you were hacked.

Those are just a couple from this VERY thread. You are saying, that God only fulfills his promises because He wants to at that time. What happens if God decides not to fulfill his promises (and you have, in fact, declared that one on occassion, because, afterall, He is God)? Afterall, you say that it is not a "must" issue, so therefore, God has a choice to not keep His Word. You do not understand what the term covenant means, and what it should mean to us. You have even gone so far as to say that God could (and maybe He has?) wiped existence out and began anew, because, afterall, He is God. No, and a thousand times NO. Again, you are on the wrong side of an issue.

God made a covenant, therefore, He MUST keep that covenant, especially if He cannot be tempted by sin (or does God the Father now have a "sin nature" as you want to use the term?) In other words, if God has a choice to keep his covenant, He also has a choice to NOT keep his covenant. I say, because God cannot sin, and because God cannot lie, and because God made that New Covenant, God cannot choose to NOT fulfill the promises in that covenant.

Believe what you want to, Ed. But again, you are wrong. God has bound Himself by that covenant, and because God cannot NOT fulfill His promises, there is only one thing left for Him to do...He MUST fulfill it.