Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Halloween

[Justaned]

Lol so someone with tattoos and piercings or what ever appearance you don't like are the equivalent as a guy that has drawn pistol or someone with a murderous look . Come on now, you're grasping at straws to justify your hypocrisy. God is not in the way you view this. this is your own prejudice. What an erroneous point to say the least.

Rocky are you seriously trying to deny that appearance does not effect our first impression of a person? Nobody is able to that not even you. You say you must look and dress the part to witness. What you are saying is everyone you witness to is making a first impression strictly on your appearance. That is correct that is how the human body and mind works.

My first impression of the person covered in tattoos and piercings is aversion. I'm being truthful and honest here. That is not to say I would not allow them into the church. I would however try to discover why the have chosen to look and dress this way. If they had a valid reason (one I could buy into) then I would not have problem. However if they are doing it because of rebellion, or desire for attention or some other reason that suggests they have problems I would try to work them through those problems.

But to suggest I'm a bad person because I use appearance to help form my first impressions of a person is simply wrong we all do that. If you see some older man and in a dark suit(dressed like a preacher) walking toward you carrying a bible do you deny the first thought in your head is here comes an old codger holiness preacher? Sure you do and you probably still yourself against an expected attack about how you look. That is common nature.

So don't go to the appearance has no place in society route with me or oh your judging route either.

I never claimed God was in my view of tattoos.

Well maybe that might be your problem . I don't have any tattoos by the way

However if they are doing it because of rebellion, or desire for attention or some other reason that suggests they have problems I would try to work them through those problems

. I completely agree with that statement


No I am not saying that appearance does not effect our first impression of a person. I am saying it shouldn't, especially if we are Christians, society and the world does that. We are not suppose to be like the world, isn't that what the Bible says? People has that so backwards, they use that scripture for every thing accept for what it actually means. Come on man you are a Minister who should be telling me this. One can mature in this matter and grow in the lord and not do it.
And, I never said "you must look and dress the part to witness". An old holiness preacher was a great light to me in my life. And I don't think Dake was a Goth, he wore suits. I am not dressing and looking the way I do to witness, I do it because that is me, and how I like to look and dress, and How I choose to express my self. And yes even I catch myself judging at times, but I immediately get a Check in my spirit when I do, and have to repent over it. But I don't make decision based on my observation of someone out ward clothing or jewelry. But I get what you are saying. And identifying and judging are two different things. I think it just might be a generational gap between us. Maybe years ago only Gang member, convicts and ax murderers were the only one with tatts or piercings I don't know, but times are different brother. Just try to not be so quick to judge and try to get to know someone first before you think they are worthless or unreliable or what ever k bro.. Maybe this world would be a better place if Christians would stop being so religious and just love people..

Hey this reminds me of a story maybe you ever heard this one.
“Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’ “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

I never used the words worthless or unreliable so let us not go there.

We are not to be like the world however we are given the gift of discernment. Discernment relies on input both from us and the Holy Spirit. Sight is an input and as such gives us an initial impression of the person. However as we learn of them, understand them and build a relationship discernment of the Holy Spirit comes into play.

You say you dress as you do because it is how you choose to express yourself, yet you want to deny me the right to express myself by saying I have an aversion to Tattoos and Piercings. It is two way street if you have a right to express yourself in manner I find distasteful I have a right to express myself in manner that you happen to find distasteful.
You are as wrong as I am or you are as right as I am.

Your example of scripture is speaking of the person's character, of their motivation for doing things. It is not a first impression Jesus saw what the men really were and why they were doing what they did. He sees the same thing in you. You are quick to condemn me but say I should not judge you. Again this is a two way street. I have to ask is expressing yourself more important than glorifying God to you? I don't know the answer but I would think if I was trying to glorify God I would act and dress in way that brought less attention to me and more to God.

[Rocky]

I never used the words worthless or unreliable so let us not go there.

Yes you did, I wanted to link it but I forgot how to..

We are not to be like the world however we are given the gift of discernment. Discernment relies on input both from us and the Holy Spirit. Sight is an input and as such gives us an initial impression of the person. However as we learn of them, understand them and build a relationship discernment of the Holy Spirit comes into play.

So discernment gives us the abilltity to judge some one based of someones clothes?

You say you dress as you do because it is how you choose to express yourself, yet you want to deny me the right to express myself by saying I have an aversion to Tattoos and Piercings.

Aversion? don't try to church it up son. You have disdain for people who have them, Or any one who don't fit your cookie cutter image of what a Christian is suppose to look like. You do have a right to, just like the KKK has the right to express their prejudice, but it still doesn't make it right. Now its ok to not like something, I don't like purple socks but I don't think someone is a subhuman because they wear them. But you said someone who looks this way is unreliable and stated that some how you are superior then those people, even me. Get off you Self righteous High Horse . You may not like people with tatts, piercings or what ever, just don't look or interact with them. You just interact with people you deem worthy of your love and attention and respect. People like you is why the church is alienating christians who look like me, I have to drive my family 50 miles to go to church because of so called Christians like you. We don't need your respect or attention or approval nor do we ask for it. So just keep your closed mindedness and holier than thou attitude to your self. And pray as the pharisee does in side your churches and think that God is smiling down on your self righteousness

It is two way street if you have a right to express yourself in manner I find distasteful I have a right to express myself in manner that you happen to find distasteful

Right but you have no right to judge or condemn. You are judging by appearance that is wrong Mr Minister. Or did you skip over that part in the Bible.

You are as wrong as I am or you are as right as I am.

You are right you have the right to express certain prejudices , I have the right to come against those prejudices.

Your example of scripture is speaking of the person's character, of their motivation for doing things. It is not a first impression Jesus saw what the men really were and why they were doing what they did. He sees the same thing in you.

He may, but I don't think I am better than any one, my views may be more mature then some, and even a bit more progressive. Oh, but this your character Ed. The difference between you and me Is I judge character by someones actions and words, you judge it by appearance. The bible totally condemns Judging someones appearance. I do disagree with you but I never judged you on how you look. You think you are better then certain people. That was the reason for the parable. I am sorry Ed prejudice is wrong no matter how you try to justify it or double talk it.

You are quick to condemn me but say I should not judge you. Again this is a two way street.

Where did I once judge you? I don't even know what you look like. Oh and yes, I absolutely condemn your outlook on this, its very fleshly and ignorant. And man driven, not God driven, you don't know what spirit you are of. Sorry, But I believe you think you are superior to others.

I have to ask is expressing yourself more important than glorifying God to you? I don't know the answer but I would think if I was trying to glorify God I would act and dress in way that brought less attention to me and more to God.

Its not about attention Ed, thats were you are mistaken. Why do you dress the way you do? I bet you wear nice clothes and fix your hair when you go out, is not that putting attention on your self? +pieface . So were do you get your clothes are they made by angels? Do you wear shirts that only has Christian imagery on them all the time? Do you all ready have your white robe. Most of my black t-shirts are Christian T-shirts, filled with scriptures and crosses. You aren't making a whole lot of sense again Ed. Ed, Maybe you just need a closer relationship with Jesus, he can show you these things brother, just pray and ask him, let his love fill you, let go of all of your Phariseeism..

[Justaned]

I never used the words worthless or unreliable so let us not go there.

Yes you did, I wanted to link it but I forgot how to..

We are not to be like the world however we are given the gift of discernment. Discernment relies on input both from us and the Holy Spirit. Sight is an input and as such gives us an initial impression of the person. However as we learn of them, understand them and build a relationship discernment of the Holy Spirit comes into play.

So discernment gives us the abilltity to judge some one based of someones clothes?

You say you dress as you do because it is how you choose to express yourself, yet you want to deny me the right to express myself by saying I have an aversion to Tattoos and Piercings.

Aversion? don't try to church it up son. You have disdain for people who have them, Or any one who don't fit your cookie cutter image of what a Christian is suppose to look like. You do have a right to, just like the KKK has the right to express their prejudice, but it still doesn't make it right. Now its ok to not like something, I don't like purple socks but I don't think someone is a subhuman because they wear them. But you said someone who looks this way is unreliable and stated that some how you are superior then those people, even me. Get off you Self righteous High Horse . You may not like people with tatts, piercings or what ever, just don't look or interact with them. You just interact with people you deem worthy of your love and attention and respect. People like you is why the church is alienating christians who look like me, I have to drive my family 50 miles to go to church because of so called Christians like you. We don't need your respect or attention or approval nor do we ask for it. So just keep your closed mindedness and holier than thou attitude to your self. And pray as the pharisee does in side your churches and think that God is smiling down on your self righteousness

It is two way street if you have a right to express yourself in manner I find distasteful I have a right to express myself in manner that you happen to find distasteful

Right but you have no right to judge or condemn. You are judging by appearance that is wrong Mr Minister. Or did you skip over that part in the Bible.

You are as wrong as I am or you are as right as I am.

You are right you have the right to express certain prejudices , I have the right to come against those prejudices.

Your example of scripture is speaking of the person's character, of their motivation for doing things. It is not a first impression Jesus saw what the men really were and why they were doing what they did. He sees the same thing in you.

He may, but I don't think I am better than any one, my views may be more mature then some, and even a bit more progressive. Oh, but this your character Ed. The difference between you and me Is I judge character by someones actions and words, you judge it by appearance. The bible totally condemns Judging someones appearance. I do disagree with you but I never judged you on how you look. You think you are better then certain people. That was the reason for the parable. I am sorry Ed prejudice is wrong no matter how you try to justify it or double talk it.

You are quick to condemn me but say I should not judge you. Again this is a two way street.

Where did I once judge you? I don't even know what you look like. Oh and yes, I absolutely condemn your outlook on this, its very fleshly and ignorant. And man driven, not God driven, you don't know what spirit you are of. Sorry, But I believe you think you are superior to others.

I have to ask is expressing yourself more important than glorifying God to you? I don't know the answer but I would think if I was trying to glorify God I would act and dress in way that brought less attention to me and more to God.

Its not about attention Ed, thats were you are mistaken. Why do you dress the way you do? I bet you wear nice clothes and fix your hair when you go out, is not that putting attention on your self? +pieface . So were do you get your clothes are they made by angels? Do you wear shirts that only has Christian imagery on them all the time? Do you all ready have your white robe. Most of my black t-shirts are Christian T-shirts, filled with scriptures and crosses. You aren't making a whole lot of sense again Ed. Ed, Maybe you just need a closer relationship with Jesus, he can show you these things brother, just pray and ask him, let his love fill you, let go of all of your Phariseeism..

Rocky
How you look and how you dress is your problem don't try to make it mine. There is normal dress and there is abnormal dress, and whether you want to admit it or not is designed to provoke a reaction in people. You choose dress in a manner that is not considered normal and makes people react but people do react you complain. Why is that? Doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

Tattoos are not normal they are extremes and scripture forbids them, Leviticus 19:28 (NKJV)
28 You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the LORD.

If you have a problem with my aversion to tattoos take it up with the Lord.

As I said Rocky how you dress and how people react to that dress is your problem not mine so let us just stop trying to make it mine. So unless you have something else to say about my opinion that a guy that dresses for a reaction is really looking for a reaction I think this discussion is over.

[branham1965]

Rocky

get tatted on your neck and ankle. lol i hear it hurts so bad in certain places.

my calf was bad enough.it was like constant bee stings for an hour or more.it hurt for a few days after.
i think women can take pain in some cases more than men.

[Justaned]

Here is Rocky telling us we should not let our first impression be effected by outward appearance and doesn't understand why people don't cozy up to him.

[Ironman]

Here is Rocky telling us we should not let our first impression be effected by outward appearance and doesn't understand why people don't cozy up to him.

Ha haaa, we had a half wit run across the oval during a rugby match with his dingle-dangle dangeling in the dirt. When caught, arrested and punted of the field he told reporters he had a right to run about naked and if some people were offended by this they should get a life, and get with the times and grow up!

My first impression? Had I caught him I would have tied his dingle dangle in a granny smith knot and jammed it up his . ? . ? . where the sun doesn't shine!
Rocky, people are offended by some peoples dress or lack of same! Like the idiot who has his face and body tatted to look like a tiger? What a stupid demon posessed and inspired idea?

Rocky said;

"The bible totally condemns Judging someones appearance."

,

ye'h, you think so? Shows just how much you know, or dont know.

Paul said; "Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?" (1 Cor. 11:14).

Long hair is a shame on men!, so what makes dressing up as a devil, a demon, covering ones body in tatt's, and running about naked, or dressed like some freak of nature???

I'm no cissy, I have worked all my life with men, in underground and open cut hard rock mines and coal mines, physical men harder than steel nails yet Yet, I never took any abuse or threats of them, and I never copied anything they did which they believed made them out to be tough guys?? I'm am and have remained a clean skin, had no need to be branded like some ones steer or other non free range animal, so was macca, a rarity in our industry! These men who partook in all this garbage were all inwardly piss weak freaks, abusive to everyone including their wives and families, most of these cretins having shivers and shakes searching for an ever elusive spine to crawl up!

[branham1965]

YOU ARE ONE OF A KIND MATE. I NEVER ME REAL AUSTRALIAN HARDMEN ....UNTIL YOU AND BIG MACCA.
YOU WRESTLED WILD PIGS WITH A BOWIE KNIFE AND HUNTED CROCS LIKE MICK DUNDEE.YOU REALLY DID.AND THATS NOT HALF OF IT.
MACCA SAID YOU GUYS WAS FIXING TO HUNT THEM GREAT WHITES.AND PUT ONE ON EACH OF YOUR MANTLE.

Here is Rocky telling us we should not let our first impression be effected by outward appearance and doesn't understand why people don't cozy up to him.

Ha haaa, we had a half wit run across the oval during a rugby match with his dingle-dangle dangeling in the dirt. When caught, arrested and punted of the field he told reporters he had a right to run about naked and if some people were offended by this they should get a life, and get with the times and grow up!

My first impression? Had I caught him I would have tied his dingle dangle in a granny smith knot and jammed it up his . ? . ? . where the sun doesn't shine!
Rocky, people are offended by some peoples dress or lack of same! Like the idiot who has his face and body tatted to look like a tiger? What a stupid demon posessed and inspired idea?

Rocky said;

"The bible totally condemns Judging someones appearance."

,

ye'h, you think so? Shows just how much you know, or dont know.

Paul said; "Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?" (1 Cor. 11:14).

Long hair is a shame on men!, so what makes dressing up as a devil, a demon, covering ones body in tatt's, and running about naked, or dressed like some freak of nature???

I'm no cissy, I have worked all my life with men, in underground and open cut hard rock mines and coal mines, physical men harder than steel nails yet Yet, I never took any abuse or threats of them, and I never copied anything they did which they believed made them out to be tough guys?? I'm am and have remained a clean skin, had no need to be branded like some ones steer or other non free range animal, so was macca, a rarity in our industry! These men who partook in all this garbage were all inwardly piss weak freaks, abusive to everyone including their wives and families, most of these cretins having shivers and shakes searching for an ever elusive spine to crawl up!

[branham1965]

i was think of going as Tiny Tim tip toeing through the tulips .

the weather here ruined it.i think the parents are much more into it than the little urchins.

[Rocky]

Ed and Iron man, Way to show that Christian love brothers. Christian can be the most judgmental, condescending, and critical people ever, I am almost discouraged here. But I know Jesus does not see things the way you see them.

[Justaned]

Ed and Iron man, Way to show that Christian love brothers. Christian can be the most judgmental, condescending, and critical people ever, I am almost discouraged here. But I know Jesus does not see things the way you see them.

As I said before how you look and dress is your problem not mine. If you dress to look different from the average person then why be surprised when you are treated different???? People form opinions on initial impressions that is fact that is human nature. If it weren't true you would have no reason dress as you do to look different.
Again the problem is yours not mine so don't try to place it on me.