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Heb. 1:8-9 But unto the Son he saith,Thy throne O God ,is for ever and ever:a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.Thou hast loved righteousness ,and hated hated iniquity;therefore God,even thy God,hath anointed t5hee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
If God the Father calls Jesus God How can you deny the diety of Jesus Christ?
Can you believe Jesus is a mere man nad be saved?


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brodave wrote:Heb. 1:8-9 But unto the Son he saith,Thy throne O God ,is for ever and ever:a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.Thou hast loved righteousness ,and hated hated iniquity;therefore God,even thy God,hath anointed t5hee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
If God the Father calls Jesus God How can you deny the diety of Jesus Christ?
Can you believe Jesus is a mere man nad be saved?
Hi brodave,
Evidently you have not read all of my posts. Heb 1:8-9 is quoting from the Tanach. If you read my post, then you will know that i said that THE KING(THE SON) of THE FATHER's Kingdom is called "ELOHIM".

THE SON is NOT called "ho Theos". Look at the original Hebrew text of Psalm 45. There is "NO" article, "THE".

The challenge is NOT that JESUS can be called "ELOHIM". It is whether JESUS is ever called "ho theos", which literally translated means THE GOD.

What's your definition of Deity, then i will answer your next question? I know what the correct definition is.
1. a god or goddess.
2. divine character or nature, especially that of the Supreme Being; divinity.
3. the estate or rank of a god: The king attained deity after his death.
4. a person or thing revered as a god or goddess: a society in which money is the only deity.
5. the Deity, God; Supreme Being.

Do you know what THE SON of "HO THEOS" really means? If JESUS is "Ho Theos", then why didn't Peter tell Jesus HE was the "ho Theos" of the "ho Theos"?


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Re: Did GOD come in Human Form?

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the_truth wrote:
bibleman wrote: Hi truth,

It seems we have a choice here.... to believe the WORD of GOD or to believe you.

Let's see the WORD says: Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Who was with us? - - - - - ὁ θεός that is - ho theos. THE GOD. The child, the Son, was "GOD WITH US" So let's see here the Bible says Jesus was GOD (ho theos) - you say that Matthew lied to us. Hum... think, think, think... Well sorry but you lose - I am going to believe the WORD of God over you!

On second thought I am not sorry at all! (smile)
Bibleman,
No bibeman, i don't lose. Matthew was a Hebrew Apostle. He said and Prophesied that JESUS was CALLED "IMMANUEL". Matthew did not say JESUS IS[ "Ho Theos", no matter how many ways you try to spin it.


And Jesus was prophesied to BE CALLED that because as I have said and Jesus and the Apostles confirmed: Ho Theos, THE FATHER was WITH HIM(Jesus), therefore THE FATHER was with the Apostles. JESUS talked so much about THE FATHER that the Apostles said shows us THE FATHER. What did JESUS say? Paraphrasing JESUS: I'm not THE FATHER, but HE is here. HE is here because we are ONE and because THE FATHER is WITH ME. John 8:29.

You have contradicted yourself because you told me i believe in another post that THE FATHER is not THE SON. The Scripture proves 100% that "Ho Theos" is ONLY THE FATHER. 1 Cor 8:6 But to us there there is but ONE [THEOS], THE FATHER. John 5:1,17,18 Out of JESUS own mouth ….also that "Ho Theos" was HIS(Jesus) Father. John 16:27 For THE FATHER himself loves you…and have believed that I (Jesus) came out from "Ho Theos". "Ho Theos"=THE FATHER="THE ONE GOD" in every instance and case of the Scripture. It cannot be disputed nor contradicted in any case.

Are you telling me that Jesus came out of himself? You said Jesus IS "Ho Theos". So are you now backtracking and saying that JESUS is THE FATHER. The same thing that ONENESS believe.

The challenge STILL stands: Not one Prophet, not one Apostle, not THE FATHER HIMSELF, neither JESUS HIMSELF ever said in any Scripture that was recorded that: JESUS(THE SON) is "Ho Theos". I believe the Adversary the devil tried to make himself "Ho THEOS" and "Ho Theos"(THE FATHER) found fault with him for that very thing; making himself "el".

Yes, I'm going to believe what is WRITTEN and what NO MAN can dispute through the Scripture: that JESUS is NOT "Ho Theos", but THE SON of "ho theos". John 10:36. Please understand the significance of being called THE SON. As Jesus told Peter, flesh and blood doesn't reveal this but THE FATHER, "Ho THEOS" in heaven.

The Scripture cannot be broken.
Hi truth,

Here it is and no amount of spin can change it!

The WORD says: Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Who was with us? - - - - - ὁ θεός that is - ho theos. THE GOD. The child, the Son, was "GOD WITH US"


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dolph wrote:Leon, God was with William Branham but he wasn't God. The only difference is that Jesus had MMMOOOORRRREEEEE of God the Father in Him, never sinned once and was totally obedient to the Father. He was our model as to how a man should live and the things he did we shall do also and greater works. If Jesus was God walking the earth then how could we expect or hope to emulate Him. He was 100% man but God was with Him in a BIG WAY.

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Hi truth,

Here it is and no amount of spin can change it!

The WORD says: Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."
.

Not one writer, prophet, disciple, apostle or Jesus Himself ever said everyone needs an interpreter to understand the plain simple written language of the Word of God.

"Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:" (John 12:42).

"Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:"(Matt. 13:13-14).

"When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side." (Matt. 13:19).


Galatians 4: 16, Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
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Can you believe Jesus is a mere man and be saved?
No, not according to scripture. Thats why those that deny this fact need to be shown what the word of God says, this is a very serious issue..


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Re: Did GOD come in Human Form?

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bibleman wrote:
the_truth wrote:
bibleman wrote: Hi truth,

It seems we have a choice here.... to believe the WORD of GOD or to believe you.

Let's see the WORD says: Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Who was with us? - - - - - ὁ θεός that is - ho theos. THE GOD. The child, the Son, was "GOD WITH US" So let's see here the Bible says Jesus was GOD (ho theos) - you say that Matthew lied to us. Hum... think, think, think... Well sorry but you lose - I am going to believe the WORD of God over you!

On second thought I am not sorry at all! (smile)
Bibleman,
No bibeman, i don't lose. Matthew was a Hebrew Apostle. He said and Prophesied that JESUS was CALLED "IMMANUEL". Matthew did not say JESUS IS[ "Ho Theos", no matter how many ways you try to spin it.


And Jesus was prophesied to BE CALLED that because as I have said and Jesus and the Apostles confirmed: Ho Theos, THE FATHER was WITH HIM(Jesus), therefore THE FATHER was with the Apostles. JESUS talked so much about THE FATHER that the Apostles said shows us THE FATHER. What did JESUS say? Paraphrasing JESUS: I'm not THE FATHER, but HE is here. HE is here because we are ONE and because THE FATHER is WITH ME. John 8:29.

You have contradicted yourself because you told me i believe in another post that THE FATHER is not THE SON. The Scripture proves 100% that "Ho Theos" is ONLY THE FATHER. 1 Cor 8:6 But to us there there is but ONE [THEOS], THE FATHER. John 5:1,17,18 Out of JESUS own mouth ….also that "Ho Theos" was HIS(Jesus) Father. John 16:27 For THE FATHER himself loves you…and have believed that I (Jesus) came out from "Ho Theos". "Ho Theos"=THE FATHER="THE ONE GOD" in every instance and case of the Scripture. It cannot be disputed nor contradicted in any case.

Are you telling me that Jesus came out of himself? You said Jesus IS "Ho Theos". So are you now backtracking and saying that JESUS is THE FATHER. The same thing that ONENESS believe.

The challenge STILL stands: Not one Prophet, not one Apostle, not THE FATHER HIMSELF, neither JESUS HIMSELF ever said in any Scripture that was recorded that: JESUS(THE SON) is "Ho Theos". I believe the Adversary the devil tried to make himself "Ho THEOS" and "Ho Theos"(THE FATHER) found fault with him for that very thing; making himself "el".

Yes, I'm going to believe what is WRITTEN and what NO MAN can dispute through the Scripture: that JESUS is NOT "Ho Theos", but THE SON of "ho theos". John 10:36. Please understand the significance of being called THE SON. As Jesus told Peter, flesh and blood doesn't reveal this but THE FATHER, "Ho THEOS" in heaven.

The Scripture cannot be broken.
Hi truth,

Here it is and no amount of spin can change it!

The WORD says: Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Who was with us? - - - - - ὁ θεός that is - ho theos. THE GOD. The child, the Son, was "GOD WITH US"
Actually, ὁ θεός would not be translated "THE GOD. "ὁ" would not be translated as it is a definite article and based on translation rules and context is not. So "ὁ θεός would be translated as God, not "THE GOD".


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The God or God what is the difference?Is Jesus God or not?Whether you are Trinitarian or Oneness you MUST BELIEVE JESUS IS LORD!!!!!!!

Heb.1:8-10 But unto the Son he saith,Thy throne O God,is forever and ever:a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy Kingdom.Thou hast loved rightness, and hated iniguity;therfore God,even thy God,hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.And,Thou,Lord,in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth;and the heavens are the works of thy hands:

Phil. 2:5-11 Let this mind be in you,which was also in Christ Jesus:Who,being in the form of God ,thought it not robery to be equel with God:But made himself of no reputation,and took upon him the form of a servent,and was made in the likeness of men:And being found in fashion as a man,he humbled himself,and became obedient unto death,even the death of the cross.Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him and given him a name which is above every name:That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,of things in heaven, and things under the earth;And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,to the glory of God the Father.

Rev.1:8 I am Alpha and Omega the beginning and the ending,saith the LORD.which is ,and which was, and which is to come,the ALMIGHTY.


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Re: Did GOD come in Human Form?

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scottae316 wrote:
bibleman wrote:
the_truth wrote:
bibleman wrote: Hi truth,

It seems we have a choice here.... to believe the WORD of GOD or to believe you.

Let's see the WORD says: Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Who was with us? - - - - - ὁ θεός that is - ho theos. THE GOD. The child, the Son, was "GOD WITH US" So let's see here the Bible says Jesus was GOD (ho theos) - you say that Matthew lied to us. Hum... think, think, think... Well sorry but you lose - I am going to believe the WORD of God over you!

On second thought I am not sorry at all! (smile)
Bibleman,
No bibeman, i don't lose. Matthew was a Hebrew Apostle. He said and Prophesied that JESUS was CALLED "IMMANUEL". Matthew did not say JESUS IS[ "Ho Theos", no matter how many ways you try to spin it.


And Jesus was prophesied to BE CALLED that because as I have said and Jesus and the Apostles confirmed: Ho Theos, THE FATHER was WITH HIM(Jesus), therefore THE FATHER was with the Apostles. JESUS talked so much about THE FATHER that the Apostles said shows us THE FATHER. What did JESUS say? Paraphrasing JESUS: I'm not THE FATHER, but HE is here. HE is here because we are ONE and because THE FATHER is WITH ME. John 8:29.

You have contradicted yourself because you told me i believe in another post that THE FATHER is not THE SON. The Scripture proves 100% that "Ho Theos" is ONLY THE FATHER. 1 Cor 8:6 But to us there there is but ONE [THEOS], THE FATHER. John 5:1,17,18 Out of JESUS own mouth ….also that "Ho Theos" was HIS(Jesus) Father. John 16:27 For THE FATHER himself loves you…and have believed that I (Jesus) came out from "Ho Theos". "Ho Theos"=THE FATHER="THE ONE GOD" in every instance and case of the Scripture. It cannot be disputed nor contradicted in any case.

Are you telling me that Jesus came out of himself? You said Jesus IS "Ho Theos". So are you now backtracking and saying that JESUS is THE FATHER. The same thing that ONENESS believe.

The challenge STILL stands: Not one Prophet, not one Apostle, not THE FATHER HIMSELF, neither JESUS HIMSELF ever said in any Scripture that was recorded that: JESUS(THE SON) is "Ho Theos". I believe the Adversary the devil tried to make himself "Ho THEOS" and "Ho Theos"(THE FATHER) found fault with him for that very thing; making himself "el".

Yes, I'm going to believe what is WRITTEN and what NO MAN can dispute through the Scripture: that JESUS is NOT "Ho Theos", but THE SON of "ho theos". John 10:36. Please understand the significance of being called THE SON. As Jesus told Peter, flesh and blood doesn't reveal this but THE FATHER, "Ho THEOS" in heaven.

The Scripture cannot be broken.
Hi truth,

Here it is and no amount of spin can change it!

The WORD says: Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Who was with us? - - - - - ὁ θεός that is - ho theos. THE GOD. The child, the Son, was "GOD WITH US"
Actually, ὁ θεός would not be translated "THE GOD. "ὁ" would not be translated as it is a definite article and based on translation rules and context is not. So "ὁ θεός would be translated as God, not "THE GOD".
So Scott,

Should we put you in the "I don't believe Jesus was (is) God - the very God - camp?


God bless
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Re: Did GOD come in Human Form?

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DO YOU SEE THE FRUIT OF THIS FALSE TEACHING???!!!!

God is One but not really.He is three.But He is three in agreement like you and your wife or friends at Church.Is the Lord serious in John 10:30???Is Oneness only as humans???Or was that an illustration to attempt to show unregenerate men something.Are the Catholics right???Wait how about almost all of her daughters???

What is this Oneness of God Jesus taught???And the Apostles??And the Early Church??? Is it possible that Jehovah in the Old Testament was=is Jesus Christ in the New Testament????

Brother Branham thought so.So did many fathers and mothers in Pentecost.
My Bishop does. I do.And MILLIONS of Pentecostal's do.

But sadly most folks do not believe in the Absolute Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ!!!!

I have never in my life seen such off the wall explanations of Jesus the Lord of Glory.

WHOM DO MEN SAY THAT I AM???? That question is the most important question any human being will ever be asked. as Reverend Angley says.
And i just love love the :-D Greek ,Hebrew stuff .I have not seen the so called silly HO THEOS argument since brawling with Jehovah's Witnesses. :scatter:
bibleman wrote:
scottae316 wrote:
bibleman wrote:
the_truth wrote:
bibleman wrote: Hi truth,

It seems we have a choice here.... to believe the WORD of GOD or to believe you.

Let's see the WORD says: Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Who was with us? - - - - - ὁ θεός that is - ho theos. THE GOD. The child, the Son, was "GOD WITH US" So let's see here the Bible says Jesus was GOD (ho theos) - you say that Matthew lied to us. Hum... think, think, think... Well sorry but you lose - I am going to believe the WORD of God over you!

On second thought I am not sorry at all! (smile)
Bibleman,
No bibeman, i don't lose. Matthew was a Hebrew Apostle. He said and Prophesied that JESUS was CALLED "IMMANUEL". Matthew did not say JESUS IS[ "Ho Theos", no matter how many ways you try to spin it.


And Jesus was prophesied to BE CALLED that because as I have said and Jesus and the Apostles confirmed: Ho Theos, THE FATHER was WITH HIM(Jesus), therefore THE FATHER was with the Apostles. JESUS talked so much about THE FATHER that the Apostles said shows us THE FATHER. What did JESUS say? Paraphrasing JESUS: I'm not THE FATHER, but HE is here. HE is here because we are ONE and because THE FATHER is WITH ME. John 8:29.

You have contradicted yourself because you told me i believe in another post that THE FATHER is not THE SON. The Scripture proves 100% that "Ho Theos" is ONLY THE FATHER. 1 Cor 8:6 But to us there there is but ONE [THEOS], THE FATHER. John 5:1,17,18 Out of JESUS own mouth ….also that "Ho Theos" was HIS(Jesus) Father. John 16:27 For THE FATHER himself loves you…and have believed that I (Jesus) came out from "Ho Theos". "Ho Theos"=THE FATHER="THE ONE GOD" in every instance and case of the Scripture. It cannot be disputed nor contradicted in any case.

Are you telling me that Jesus came out of himself? You said Jesus IS "Ho Theos". So are you now backtracking and saying that JESUS is THE FATHER. The same thing that ONENESS believe.

The challenge STILL stands: Not one Prophet, not one Apostle, not THE FATHER HIMSELF, neither JESUS HIMSELF ever said in any Scripture that was recorded that: JESUS(THE SON) is "Ho Theos". I believe the Adversary the devil tried to make himself "Ho THEOS" and "Ho Theos"(THE FATHER) found fault with him for that very thing; making himself "el".

Yes, I'm going to believe what is WRITTEN and what NO MAN can dispute through the Scripture: that JESUS is NOT "Ho Theos", but THE SON of "ho theos". John 10:36. Please understand the significance of being called THE SON. As Jesus told Peter, flesh and blood doesn't reveal this but THE FATHER, "Ho THEOS" in heaven.

The Scripture cannot be broken.
Hi truth,

Here it is and no amount of spin can change it!

The WORD says: Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Who was with us? - - - - - ὁ θεός that is - ho theos. THE GOD. The child, the Son, was "GOD WITH US"
Actually, ὁ θεός would not be translated "THE GOD. "ὁ" would not be translated as it is a definite article and based on translation rules and context is not. So "ὁ θεός would be translated as God, not "THE GOD".
So Scott,

Should we put you in the "I don't believe Jesus was (is) God - the very God - camp?


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Re: Did GOD come in Human Form?

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I agree with you that it is off the wall stuff. These espousing Greek and Hebrew are not scholars in the language. They follow after some one's school of thought as most do. Why not look honestly at the following and believe it about Jesus Christ.

Luke 1:43 (KJV)
43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Luke 1:47 (KJV)
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Matthew 1:23 (KJV)
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Isaiah 9:6 (KJV)
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

John 1:1 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 (KJV)
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

I'll be honest, this stuff is so simple you have to have a heretical mind to goof it up!


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