Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Does this sound like once saved always saved to you?

[Reuben]

The principle is very clear. The word "again" is used meaning it was once in fellowship. National Israel was once in God, then backslid and rejected God... If they turn from their unbelief they can be re-grafted in AGAIN. What can be clearer. That is also a notice to and good news that a person who was once in God and backslid can also be re-grafted in because is not a respecter of persons.

[Reuben]

Actually I don't know what I would have done. I would have prayed about it and let the Holy Spirit lead me.

Have you ever had anyone leave in a backslidden condition from your church. What did you do? Accuse them of never being saved? Let them go and make no effort to win them back to Christ?

[Justaned]

The principle is very clear. The word "again" is used meaning it was once in fellowship. National Israel was once in God, then backslid and rejected God... If they turn from their unbelief they can be re-grafted in AGAIN. What can be clearer. That is also a notice to and good news that a person who was once in God and backslid can also be re-grafted in because is not a respecter of persons.

Their problem is unbelief not intentional sin. It they turn from their unbelief God will bring them back into the vine is correct. But that is not the same as being grafted by belief and then committing sin so as to be severed and then regrafted back in. Do you think?
You say this is also a notice to the person once in Christ and backslide that they can be regrafted in. Where do you see this. You are taking one situation and universally trying to make it apply to all situations and that is not what the Word says here, is it??

[Reuben]

The word AGAIN is used. How can something be grafted in again if it was not there before. The principle is loud and clear.

[Justaned]

Actually I don't know what I would have done. I would have prayed about it and let the Holy Spirit lead me.

Have you ever had anyone leave in a backslidden condition from your church. What did you do? Accuse them of never being saved? Let them go and make no effort to win them back to Christ?

Actually not I never was forced to deal with a back slidder. And I don't think I have ever placed in a position that I ever had to accuse anyone in my church of anything.
I did face one woman that told me I was spiritually dead and she was leaving the church. It broke my heart when she said that I prayed over it for many days. She then divorced her husband, left her children and moved into with another woman.
I believe God allowed me to see that so I could get past the hurt of her accusations.

I visited her a few times afterwards. Until now I never thought of her position in Christ. I thought the fact that she divorced her husband abandoned her family showed she had problems. I tried to help her through them but she moved.

[Justaned]

The word AGAIN is used. How can something be grafted in again if it was not there before. The principle is loud and clear.

The again is there and it is loud and clear but it talking of regrafting the Jew back into the vine, not Christians that trample Christ's blood in the dirt. Is it not?

[Reuben]

I disagree with OSAS because I believe a Christian can lose his or her salvation. I just don't believe it can then ever be regained again. Do you see that mentioned any where in scripture?

This what you originally said. Do you believe all Christians who backslide trample under the blood of Jesus and totally apostatize?

[Justaned]

I disagree with OSAS because I believe a Christian can lose his or her salvation. I just don't believe it can then ever be regained again. Do you see that mentioned any where in scripture?

This what you originally said. Do you believe all Christians who backslide trample under the blood of Jesus and totally apostatize?

Here we go what I believe versus what you say this passage in Romans says. Let us not go into what I believe.
You are saying this passage in Romans says a person that tramples Christ's blood into the ground by willful sinning is able to be grafted back into the vine. I don't see this in that verse and I would like you to show me where it is.

[Reuben]

I disagree with OSAS because I believe a Christian can lose his or her salvation. I just don't believe it can then ever be regained again. Do you see that mentioned any where in scripture?

This what you originally said. Do you believe all Christians who backslide trample under the blood of Jesus and totally apostatize?

Here we go what I believe versus what you say this passage in Romans says. Let us not go into what I believe.
You are saying this passage in Romans says a person that tramples Christ's blood into the ground by willful sinning is able to be grafted back into the vine. I don't see this in that verse and I would like you to show me where it is.

No, I didn't say that and you didn't either. You are adding this to try and prove your point. Your original statement is above. You believe a Christian can lose their salvation however you do not think they can be saved again. You don't think there is any Scripture to support it. I mentioned originally several Scriptures including Peter along with this in Romans to establish the fact that one can be in good standing with God - lose it - and regain it. National Israel was in good standing - lost it - can regain it. The principle is proven in other Scriptures and Peter's experience.

[Justaned]

I disagree with OSAS because I believe a Christian can lose his or her salvation. I just don't believe it can then ever be regained again. Do you see that mentioned any where in scripture?

This what you originally said. Do you believe all Christians who backslide trample under the blood of Jesus and totally apostatize?

Here we go what I believe versus what you say this passage in Romans says. Let us not go into what I believe.
You are saying this passage in Romans says a person that tramples Christ's blood into the ground by willful sinning is able to be grafted back into the vine. I don't see this in that verse and I would like you to show me where it is.

No, I didn't say that and you didn't either. You are adding this to try and prove your point. Your original statement is above. You believe a Christian can lose their salvation however you do not think they can be saved again. You don't think there is any Scripture to support it. I mentioned originally several Scriptures including Peter along with this in Romans to establish the fact that one can be in good standing with God - lose it - and regain it. National Israel was in good standing - lost it - can regain it. The principle is proven in other Scriptures and Peter's experience.

Here is what you said.

Romans 11:22-23 (KJV)
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

He lays down the conditions that are so obvious here. "If" you continue... but if you don't you will be cut off. However, if like they, you do not remain in unbelief, you can also be grafted in again. Very clear clear here.

I don't see that in Romans 11 and I'm asking where it is.

This passage is talking exclusively of Israel's failure to accept Jesus as Messiah. They were never saved in Him so they didn't leave him. I saying there is no place in this verse that even suggests that a person can be in Christ sin until they lose their salvation and once again be saved. You said you did and I would like to know where?