Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Finis Dake on Prosperity

[Justaned]

Here's a great quote:

"It is possible, of course, to indicate many people – perhaps God's children – who are suffering from hunger and privation. How is it that their food is so scanty and inconstant? I reply, May there be some lack in their faith, and may it not be that they have not because they ask not, or because they do not exercise definite faith in God? God loves to give, not bread alone, but fish. 'They saw a fire... and fish laid thereon and bread' (John 21:9). Not necessaries only, but luxuries."

Why is it so hard to answer a straight forward question?
Is Copeland living in a 18,000+Sqft house costing 6.1 million excess or not?

[victoryword]

Here's a great quote:

"It is possible, of course, to indicate many people – perhaps God's children – who are suffering from hunger and privation. How is it that their food is so scanty and inconstant? I reply, May there be some lack in their faith, and may it not be that they have not because they ask not, or because they do not exercise definite faith in God? God loves to give, not bread alone, but fish. 'They saw a fire... and fish laid thereon and bread' (John 21:9). Not necessaries only, but luxuries."

Why is it so hard to answer a straight forward question?
Is Copeland living in a 18,000+Sqft house costing 6.1 million excess or not?

Is that a great quote or what?

[Justaned]

Here's a great quote:

"It is possible, of course, to indicate many people – perhaps God's children – who are suffering from hunger and privation. How is it that their food is so scanty and inconstant? I reply, May there be some lack in their faith, and may it not be that they have not because they ask not, or because they do not exercise definite faith in God? God loves to give, not bread alone, but fish. 'They saw a fire... and fish laid thereon and bread' (John 21:9). Not necessaries only, but luxuries."

Why is it so hard to answer a straight forward question?
Is Copeland living in a 18,000+Sqft house costing 6.1 million excess or not?

Is that a great quote or what?

again you skate around the question. What is wrong? Is it because you know if you answer honestly you indict Copeland?

[cpbeller]

I don't know what the point of excess is. Maybe it is different for each person. I am beginning to wonder if you owning a house is excess for you, since you seem so obsessed with another man's house.

I don't see you cursing David about his palace...

I do find it humorous that you find it "christian-like" to judge another man, not based on what you know for sure what he had done, but because surely he had done what you are judging him for.

Another thung I have noticed from you...you seem to have such a difficult time taking ppl at their word. You have told us Dake did not mean what he wrote, you have told us MacAurthur did not mean that he was a calvanist when he said he was, and you have now said that kenneth copeland was lying when he said what he said.

Sounds like you are the ine with the problem. Why not just let God deal with Copeland, and stop judging him based off of your own stupid speculation?

[bibleman]

Kenneth Copeland on helping the poor with our prosperity:

• "The poor consider this a rich man’s world. Satan has dominated them with poverty and suppression of all kinds. When you realize that Satan is behind their oppression, you will see their need for the power of God in their lives. Then you won’t be afraid to obligate them to the gospel when you give material things to them. Whenever I give in this way, I always explain what the Word says and tell them about Jesus. I let them know that Jesus is my source of supply and is willing to be theirs. Show them that they, too, can become God’s channel in the earth to someone else. You see, you can feed a thief all day long, but all you will have is a thief full of food. The food won’t change him, but the Word of God will transform him on the inside. If you give to the poor in the proper way, then you can witness to them and introduce them to the power of God. I never give to the poor without telling them about Jesus. If they are to get my material goods, they will first have to listen to what I have to say about Jesus. Jesus taught about giving alms, which is giving to the poor. Evidently, Jesus was well-known for giving to the poor from the scriptural accounts of His ministry. In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus taught about giving alms. He said, “Let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth” (Matthew 6:3). You can get more fun out giving to someone anonymously! It is a joy you
  will never get from anything else, and the next verse says, “And thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.” HE HIMSELF shall reward you. Praise the Lord for His generous propositions!" (Copeland, Laws of Prosperity, pp. 75, 76)

And I say AMEN!!! Thank you Brother Copeland.

Oh come on! We both know he had to say that. How about he sells the house and feed 6.1 million do you think they would listen to him better on a full stomach?
Are you seriously going to defend his excessive lifestyle? Seriously. Excuse me while I chuckle.
Is there anything you won't say or defend just to try to prove me wrong? Man you are messed up. I know a person that can help you with that. His name is Jesus.

Ed,

When is your house going up on the market?

The poor could do a lot with the value of your house.

No where near what they could do with Copeland's and I'm not justifying my decadence by saying I am living large to give the poor something to shoot for.

So in other words you are unwilling to let go of your house for the sake of the poor?

[branham1965]

REVED your wasting your breath.

Frederick K. C. Price on Prosperity:

• ... what has happened is that a lot of Christians have made prosperity a thing for me, myself, and I - us three. They have made the prosperity message a way to get bigger houses, newer cars, more designer clothes, and a nice bank account. Many have forgotten about those in the world who don't know Jesus, and are lost and on their way to hell. (Price, The Purpose of Prosperity, Page 6)

I have heard Price brag on his Rolls Royce. He knows what to say but his actions speak far louder than his words.
He chases manna with the best of them.

[branham1965]

and he has bragged that he is a billionare.
when people are unable to even consider these things with critical thought its over.that message is so deplorable its stinks in the nostrils of God.

Kenneth Hagin, Jr. on Prosperity:

• For the last two years I've told our RHEMA students, "If you came here with ears itching to get faith so you can drive Cadillacs, fly airplanes, or have million-dollar homes, go home. Or else reach up, pull off those itching ears, and say, 'I'm here to receive what God has for me.' Pp. 17, 18 (Itching Ears, 1982)

hey you never answered about your hero the man of God Copeland. Is 6.1 million dollar 18,000+ sq ft house excess or not?

[branham1965]

IF COPELAND SAID THAT QUOTE HE SHOULD BE DEFROCKED!!!!GOD SEES IT ALL.

Here's a great quote:

"It is possible, of course, to indicate many people – perhaps God's children – who are suffering from hunger and privation. How is it that their food is so scanty and inconstant? I reply, May there be some lack in their faith, and may it not be that they have not because they ask not, or because they do not exercise definite faith in God? God loves to give, not bread alone, but fish. 'They saw a fire... and fish laid thereon and bread' (John 21:9). Not necessaries only, but luxuries."

Why is it so hard to answer a straight forward question?
Is Copeland living in a 18,000+Sqft house costing 6.1 million excess or not?

Is that a great quote or what?

[branham1965]

WHEN REVEREND ERNEST ANGLEY SAYS WHAT HE HAS ABOUT NAME AND CLAIM -WOF I LISTEN.THAT ROTTEN QUOTE FROM KENNETH COPELAND SEALED IT FOR ME.I HEARD IN PERSON ON 1055 CANTON ROAD REVEREND ANGLEY SAY HE SAW THE SPIRIT OF GOD LIFTING FROM MANY AREAS OF OUR NATION ALL OVER THE SOUTH BECAUSE OF IT.THAT WAS IN THE EARLY 1980'S.IM NOT LYING.

Kenneth Copeland on helping the poor with our prosperity:

• "The poor consider this a rich man’s world. Satan has dominated them with poverty and suppression of all kinds. When you realize that Satan is behind their oppression, you will see their need for the power of God in their lives. Then you won’t be afraid to obligate them to the gospel when you give material things to them. Whenever I give in this way, I always explain what the Word says and tell them about Jesus. I let them know that Jesus is my source of supply and is willing to be theirs. Show them that they, too, can become God’s channel in the earth to someone else. You see, you can feed a thief all day long, but all you will have is a thief full of food. The food won’t change him, but the Word of God will transform him on the inside. If you give to the poor in the proper way, then you can witness to them and introduce them to the power of God. I never give to the poor without telling them about Jesus. If they are to get my material goods, they will first have to listen to what I have to say about Jesus. Jesus taught about giving alms, which is giving to the poor. Evidently, Jesus was well-known for giving to the poor from the scriptural accounts of His ministry. In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus taught about giving alms. He said, “Let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth” (Matthew 6:3). You can get more fun out giving to someone anonymously! It is a joy you
  will never get from anything else, and the next verse says, “And thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.” HE HIMSELF shall reward you. Praise the Lord for His generous propositions!" (Copeland, Laws of Prosperity, pp. 75, 76)

And I say AMEN!!! Thank you Brother Copeland.

Oh come on! We both know he had to say that. How about he sells the house and feed 6.1 million do you think they would listen to him better on a full stomach?
Are you seriously going to defend his excessive lifestyle? Seriously. Excuse me while I chuckle.
Is there anything you won't say or defend just to try to prove me wrong? Man you are messed up. I know a person that can help you with that. His name is Jesus.

Ed,

When is your house going up on the market?

The poor could do a lot with the value of your house.

No where near what they could do with Copeland's and I'm not justifying my decadence by saying I am living large to give the poor something to shoot for.

So in other words you are unwilling to let go of your house for the sake of the poor?

[branham1965]

thanks for that most enlightening quote.
despicable.

Here's a great quote:

"It is possible, of course, to indicate many people – perhaps God's children – who are suffering from hunger and privation. How is it that their food is so scanty and inconstant? I reply, May there be some lack in their faith, and may it not be that they have not because they ask not, or because they do not exercise definite faith in God? God loves to give, not bread alone, but fish. 'They saw a fire... and fish laid thereon and bread' (John 21:9). Not necessaries only, but luxuries."

Why is it so hard to answer a straight forward question?
Is Copeland living in a 18,000+Sqft house costing 6.1 million excess or not?