Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ CREFLO no need to confess sin

[bibleman]

I know what I'm saying I don't know what Creflo is saying so I can't answer to that.
I think it is very slippery slope to try to justify sin in any shape form or fashion and equally so to dismiss it.
A Christian should endeavor to live as sinless a life as Christ. IF they slip they have an intercessor Christ Himself that their sins are under his blood. That is not saying we can intentionally go out and commit a sin and say oh well the blood of Jesus forgives me. NO NEVER! Paul made that point real clear in Romans.

Again almost everyone of us commits the sin of omission each day simply because we don't realize it or think about it. To suggest any unconfessed sin will keep us out of heaven would in effect condemn each of us to eternal damnation. I don't think that is the case.

That is not to say we can be ignorant of the fact we are sinners and expect salvation. I think the story starting in Matthew 22:10 is a perfect example as that not being the case. The man came to the wedding but never changed his dress, never washed himself from the stain of sin, apparently because he didn't think it necessary since he was begged to come in. In any case his ignorance of the need to put on wedding clothes cost him his seat at the marriage dinner. He was casted into the outer darkness where there is great gnashing of teeth.

gnashing of teeth like we hear when I pick on Bibleman.

Above you said: A Christian should endeavor to live as sinless a life as Christ. IF they slip they have an intercessor Christ Himself that their sins are under his blood. That is not saying we can intentionally go out and commit a sin and say oh well the blood of Jesus forgives me. NO NEVER! Paul made that point real clear in Romans.

Creflo reads from Romans several times as well.

Well, no offence but You and Creflo continue to be on the same page on this issue.

[Justaned]

I know what I'm saying I don't know what Creflo is saying so I can't answer to that.
I think it is very slippery slope to try to justify sin in any shape form or fashion and equally so to dismiss it.
A Christian should endeavor to live as sinless a life as Christ. IF they slip they have an intercessor Christ Himself that their sins are under his blood. That is not saying we can intentionally go out and commit a sin and say oh well the blood of Jesus forgives me. NO NEVER! Paul made that point real clear in Romans.

Again almost everyone of us commits the sin of omission each day simply because we don't realize it or think about it. To suggest any unconfessed sin will keep us out of heaven would in effect condemn each of us to eternal damnation. I don't think that is the case.

That is not to say we can be ignorant of the fact we are sinners and expect salvation. I think the story starting in Matthew 22:10 is a perfect example as that not being the case. The man came to the wedding but never changed his dress, never washed himself from the stain of sin, apparently because he didn't think it necessary since he was begged to come in. In any case his ignorance of the need to put on wedding clothes cost him his seat at the marriage dinner. He was casted into the outer darkness where there is great gnashing of teeth.

gnashing of teeth like we hear when I pick on Bibleman.

Above you said: A Christian should endeavor to live as sinless a life as Christ. IF they slip they have an intercessor Christ Himself that their sins are under his blood. That is not saying we can intentionally go out and commit a sin and say oh well the blood of Jesus forgives me. NO NEVER! Paul made that point real clear in Romans.

Creflo reads from Romans several times as well.

Well, no offence but You and Creflo continue to be on the same page on this issue.

And not offence to you but I have repeatedly said I do not know what Creflo said so I can't say we are in agreement or not.
I only know what scripture says and I believe my position is scripturally sound. If you know of scripture that contradicts my position I would sure like to know about it.

Let me add that it would make me more than a little nervous to know that Creflo and myself agreed on any aspect of theology.

[bibleman]

I know what I'm saying I don't know what Creflo is saying so I can't answer to that.
I think it is very slippery slope to try to justify sin in any shape form or fashion and equally so to dismiss it.
A Christian should endeavor to live as sinless a life as Christ. IF they slip they have an intercessor Christ Himself that their sins are under his blood. That is not saying we can intentionally go out and commit a sin and say oh well the blood of Jesus forgives me. NO NEVER! Paul made that point real clear in Romans.

Again almost everyone of us commits the sin of omission each day simply because we don't realize it or think about it. To suggest any unconfessed sin will keep us out of heaven would in effect condemn each of us to eternal damnation. I don't think that is the case.

That is not to say we can be ignorant of the fact we are sinners and expect salvation. I think the story starting in Matthew 22:10 is a perfect example as that not being the case. The man came to the wedding but never changed his dress, never washed himself from the stain of sin, apparently because he didn't think it necessary since he was begged to come in. In any case his ignorance of the need to put on wedding clothes cost him his seat at the marriage dinner. He was casted into the outer darkness where there is great gnashing of teeth.

gnashing of teeth like we hear when I pick on Bibleman.

Above you said: A Christian should endeavor to live as sinless a life as Christ. IF they slip they have an intercessor Christ Himself that their sins are under his blood. That is not saying we can intentionally go out and commit a sin and say oh well the blood of Jesus forgives me. NO NEVER! Paul made that point real clear in Romans.

Creflo reads from Romans several times as well.

Well, no offence but You and Creflo continue to be on the same page on this issue.

And not offence to you but I have repeatedly said I do not know what Creflo said so I can't say we are in agreement or not.
I only know what scripture says and I believe my position is scripturally sound. If you know of scripture that contradicts my position I would sure like to know about it.

Let me add that it would make me more than a little nervous to know that Creflo and myself agreed on any aspect of theology.

Here you go Creflo... I mean Ed,

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Notice not if you have received Jesus or not, but what you have DONE!

[branham1965]

ive listened to him. HE IS WRONG.REVEREND DAKE WOULD SAY SO.

OK guys,

Dr. Creflo Dollar, Who Said It's Ok to Sin

Listen to this. 4 minutes long.

[video][/video]

Here is the whole message.

[video][/video]

Listen to this and you will hear some very troubling teaching, long about 20:00 and then 38:00, and then to 46:00.

BUT this was NOT said on the video that Billy and Ed spoke about.

The point is, that I was trying to make is you do not judge someone without the evidence.

So now based on this video and NOT the other we have a discussion.

But now all of this being said, it seems to me that based on what I have heard Ed say on this forum and what I have heard Creflo say on that video... Well they are both saying the same thing.

[branham1965]

its the last time you are going to ask?????? it is????

why blame me for what Creflo Dollar, Joseph Prince and any others teach on this hyper grace issue!!!!!they did it themselves.

Thanks REVED.
i believe he is.if im wrong...ill deal with it.but he sounds very odd.
i heard him say today we no longer need to confess our sins.he means believers not sinners.we are covered past present future!!!!
says Creflo.not the Bible.
what is that????he is off center.

Bibleman
Let us not take this thread into a ditch as you try to trip me up let us get back the meat of the thread.
Billy is saying Creflo Dollar is teaching Hypergrace. Do you agree with the doctrine of Hypergrace?

If not then why this wild chase into never never land at the expense of this thread?

Let us talk about Hypergrace and the error that are birthed by it.

I posted the video that you spoke of in this thread.

Listen to it and tell me the PLACE where he said "we are covered past present future."

I am NOT saying he said that or he did not say that... But I just did not hear it on the video.

Maybe I missed it, please point out to me what TIME on that video he said that.

Last time I am gong to ask.

[Justaned]

I know what I'm saying I don't know what Creflo is saying so I can't answer to that.
I think it is very slippery slope to try to justify sin in any shape form or fashion and equally so to dismiss it.
A Christian should endeavor to live as sinless a life as Christ. IF they slip they have an intercessor Christ Himself that their sins are under his blood. That is not saying we can intentionally go out and commit a sin and say oh well the blood of Jesus forgives me. NO NEVER! Paul made that point real clear in Romans.

Again almost everyone of us commits the sin of omission each day simply because we don't realize it or think about it. To suggest any unconfessed sin will keep us out of heaven would in effect condemn each of us to eternal damnation. I don't think that is the case.

That is not to say we can be ignorant of the fact we are sinners and expect salvation. I think the story starting in Matthew 22:10 is a perfect example as that not being the case. The man came to the wedding but never changed his dress, never washed himself from the stain of sin, apparently because he didn't think it necessary since he was begged to come in. In any case his ignorance of the need to put on wedding clothes cost him his seat at the marriage dinner. He was casted into the outer darkness where there is great gnashing of teeth.

gnashing of teeth like we hear when I pick on Bibleman.

Above you said: A Christian should endeavor to live as sinless a life as Christ. IF they slip they have an intercessor Christ Himself that their sins are under his blood. That is not saying we can intentionally go out and commit a sin and say oh well the blood of Jesus forgives me. NO NEVER! Paul made that point real clear in Romans.

Creflo reads from Romans several times as well.

Well, no offence but You and Creflo continue to be on the same page on this issue.

And not offence to you but I have repeatedly said I do not know what Creflo said so I can't say we are in agreement or not.
I only know what scripture says and I believe my position is scripturally sound. If you know of scripture that contradicts my position I would sure like to know about it.

Let me add that it would make me more than a little nervous to know that Creflo and myself agreed on any aspect of theology.

Here you go Creflo... I mean Ed,

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Notice not if you have received Jesus or not, but what you have DONE!

Isn't this talking of the Great White Throne of Judgement before whom the unsaved stand? I don't think those in Christ stands before this judgement as they were previously judged at the Bema seat.

I'm surprised that a Dakite would make this mistake. Perhaps you need to reread your Dake.

[branham1965]

yes its the Great White Throne.
not the Judgement seat of Christ.
hes rewriting his books!!!!do us a favor and throw them all away and just sell Dad Hagins!!!!!hows that hypergrace!!!!

I know what I'm saying I don't know what Creflo is saying so I can't answer to that.
I think it is very slippery slope to try to justify sin in any shape form or fashion and equally so to dismiss it.
A Christian should endeavor to live as sinless a life as Christ. IF they slip they have an intercessor Christ Himself that their sins are under his blood. That is not saying we can intentionally go out and commit a sin and say oh well the blood of Jesus forgives me. NO NEVER! Paul made that point real clear in Romans.

Again almost everyone of us commits the sin of omission each day simply because we don't realize it or think about it. To suggest any unconfessed sin will keep us out of heaven would in effect condemn each of us to eternal damnation. I don't think that is the case.

That is not to say we can be ignorant of the fact we are sinners and expect salvation. I think the story starting in Matthew 22:10 is a perfect example as that not being the case. The man came to the wedding but never changed his dress, never washed himself from the stain of sin, apparently because he didn't think it necessary since he was begged to come in. In any case his ignorance of the need to put on wedding clothes cost him his seat at the marriage dinner. He was casted into the outer darkness where there is great gnashing of teeth.

gnashing of teeth like we hear when I pick on Bibleman.

Above you said: A Christian should endeavor to live as sinless a life as Christ. IF they slip they have an intercessor Christ Himself that their sins are under his blood. That is not saying we can intentionally go out and commit a sin and say oh well the blood of Jesus forgives me. NO NEVER! Paul made that point real clear in Romans.

Creflo reads from Romans several times as well.

Well, no offence but You and Creflo continue to be on the same page on this issue.

And not offence to you but I have repeatedly said I do not know what Creflo said so I can't say we are in agreement or not.
I only know what scripture says and I believe my position is scripturally sound. If you know of scripture that contradicts my position I would sure like to know about it.

Let me add that it would make me more than a little nervous to know that Creflo and myself agreed on any aspect of theology.

Here you go Creflo... I mean Ed,

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Notice not if you have received Jesus or not, but what you have DONE!

Isn't this talking of the Great White Throne of Judgement before whom the unsaved stand? I don't think those in Christ stands before this judgement as they were previously judged at the Bema seat.

[bibleman]

I know what I'm saying I don't know what Creflo is saying so I can't answer to that.
I think it is very slippery slope to try to justify sin in any shape form or fashion and equally so to dismiss it.
A Christian should endeavor to live as sinless a life as Christ. IF they slip they have an intercessor Christ Himself that their sins are under his blood. That is not saying we can intentionally go out and commit a sin and say oh well the blood of Jesus forgives me. NO NEVER! Paul made that point real clear in Romans.

Again almost everyone of us commits the sin of omission each day simply because we don't realize it or think about it. To suggest any unconfessed sin will keep us out of heaven would in effect condemn each of us to eternal damnation. I don't think that is the case.

That is not to say we can be ignorant of the fact we are sinners and expect salvation. I think the story starting in Matthew 22:10 is a perfect example as that not being the case. The man came to the wedding but never changed his dress, never washed himself from the stain of sin, apparently because he didn't think it necessary since he was begged to come in. In any case his ignorance of the need to put on wedding clothes cost him his seat at the marriage dinner. He was casted into the outer darkness where there is great gnashing of teeth.

gnashing of teeth like we hear when I pick on Bibleman.

Above you said: A Christian should endeavor to live as sinless a life as Christ. IF they slip they have an intercessor Christ Himself that their sins are under his blood. That is not saying we can intentionally go out and commit a sin and say oh well the blood of Jesus forgives me. NO NEVER! Paul made that point real clear in Romans.

Creflo reads from Romans several times as well.

Well, no offence but You and Creflo continue to be on the same page on this issue.

And not offence to you but I have repeatedly said I do not know what Creflo said so I can't say we are in agreement or not.
I only know what scripture says and I believe my position is scripturally sound. If you know of scripture that contradicts my position I would sure like to know about it.

Let me add that it would make me more than a little nervous to know that Creflo and myself agreed on any aspect of theology.

Here you go Creflo... I mean Ed,

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Notice not if you have received Jesus or not, but what you have DONE!

Isn't this talking of the Great White Throne of Judgement before whom the unsaved stand? I don't think those in Christ stands before this judgement as they were previously judged at the Bema seat.

I'm surprised that a Dakite would make this mistake. Perhaps you need to reread your Dake.

Of course this is the Great White Throne Judgement.

Yes the unsaved stand there - but who are the unsaved?

Those never saved and those who may have been saved but yet NOT saved at the time of their death.

You know that, right?

[bibleman]

its the last time you are going to ask?????? it is????

why blame me for what Creflo Dollar, Joseph Prince and any others teach on this hyper grace issue!!!!!they did it themselves.

Hi Billy,

Creflo NEVER said what you said on the video that YOU posted.

We are discussing the video I posted.

[victoryword]

I haven't watched any of the videos yet but I would be surprised that Pastor Dollar is going in this direction after having given some very dramatic teachings on the subject of hell.