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[Justaned]

ED
WHY DONT YOU COME OUT OF THE CLOSET AND ADMIT OPENLY THAT YOU ARE A DYED IN THE WOOL MACARTHUR-CALVINIST....THAT YOU OPENLY OPPOSE THE ALTAR CALL????YOU OPPOSE DIVINE HEALING...YOU OPPOSE DELIVERANCE FROM DEMON POWER...
AND YOU ARE A COMPLETE CESSATIONIST AS WELL.THERE ISNT ONE SINGLE SOLITARY PENTECOSTAL PREACHER THAT YOU LIKE.
COME CLEAN.
ADMIT IT....JOHN MACARTHUR IS YOUR PATRON SAINT. +pieface +pieface

ILL BET MY BILE DUCT THAT YOU SUPPORT HIS RADIO PROGRAM "GRACE TO YOU" FINANCIALLY....

Billy
You lose one bile duct. I don't support any ministry aside from missions and local church.
There are many Pentecostal preachers I love and try to imitate you just don't know them because they refuse to associate themselves with Radio or TV ministry.
MacArthur is a man I honor because of his excellence of theology. However I totally disagree with his cessationalism and his grouping Pentecostal, Charismatic, Word of Faith together went he is talking about abuses committed by false teachers on TV and Radio. There are other points we disagree on but most of his work is excellent.

As far as altar calls I love them IF they are orchestrated by the Holy Spirit and not man. Unless you have seen both you can't understand the difference. Once you have seen a genuine altar you would throw sticks at the ones generated by man also. I get turned off the minute man tries to make something happen. I especially dislike emotional manipulation. With scare tactics running a close second.

For a man to be truly saved he must have the Holy Spirit open his eyes to the absolute dissolution and emptiness of his spirit. That he has absolutely nothing to offer God but only hope for what he desire most, eternal life, can only come from God.
To be Makarios he must be Ptōchos of spirit, He must mourn and be meek, he must hunger and thirst for righteousness, he must be merciful and holy a be a peacemaker, and for that he will be persecuted but his will be the Kingdom of Heaven.

[Rocky]

The point most seems to be missing is Calvinist are sincere and faithful people whether you want to believe it or not. They sincerely believe their position is clearly seen in scripture and they can't understand why others do not see it also..

Calvinist may be sincere but they are sincerely wrong.

MacArthur is a man I honor because of his excellence of theology

And that statement does not surprise me but there it is in big bold letters. Ed this whole time you have been running me in circles and playing games with me and others about certain topics, when I knew all along where you were getting your Theology.(I am sure others all ready knew this as well) and then you would always flat out deny it. That is really frustrating when someone plays mind games in discussions. Rant over
+pieface

[Justaned]

The point most seems to be missing is Calvinist are sincere and faithful people whether you want to believe it or not. They sincerely believe their position is clearly seen in scripture and they can't understand why others do not see it also..

Calvinist may be sincere but they are sincerely wrong.

MacArthur is a man I honor because of his excellence of theology

And that statement does not surprise me but there it is in big bold letters. Ed this whole time you have been running me in circles and playing games with me and others about certain topics, when I knew all along where you were getting your Theology.(I am sure others all ready knew this as well) and then you would always flat out deny it. That is really frustrating when someone plays mind games in discussions. Rant over
+pieface

Rocky
I am sure you are not rowing with both oars.
Read what I said.

MacArthur is a man I honor because of his excellence of theology. However I totally disagree with his cessationalism and his grouping Pentecostal, Charismatic, Word of Faith together when he is talking about abuses committed by false teachers on TV and Radio. There are other points we disagree on but most of his work is excellent.

(typing error corrected.)

Do you see any where I said I agreed 100% with MacArthur? I have already said I disagree with Calvinism so I didn't not think I had to include any of his Calvinist theology. In case you didn't know there there is a lot more of scripture than the tulip of Calvinism, Pentecostalism and Cessationalism.

Not that they aren't important they are in fact Salvation is the most important. However MacArthur has done an excellent job on most of his work on church leadership, discipline and such. In fact he has done an excellent job on many things. His work on Pastorial ministry, pastorial integrity, sermon preparation, church growth, disciple making and better than most other authors on the subject. To deny MacArthur or to discount non Arminian theologians because you don't agree totally with all aspects of their teaching tells me you are missing a huge part of Protestant Theology since the majority of it is written by Calvinist, Baptist and non Pentecostals.

If you are going to attack me personally at least try to do it honestly.

[branham1965]

I know for a fact that Billy Graham ,Ernest Angley's,Rod Parsley's ,Kenneth Hagin's, and others are valid God honoring Ministries.

My family has been very blessed by all of them.

The idea is to get everyone to doubt the Anointing and moves of God in all Ministries

except....... the Calvinistic ones that a certain person or persons might approve of.

btw the Sword of the Lord and other Baptists are not hyper calvinists.

And Ed... Charles Finney was called and used of God no matter what you and your unbelieving Calvinist chums say about him.
i dont fall for it Ed.
i dont care who does.you openly brazenly accept that garbage book Macarthur is selling and yet purport yourself to be Pentecostal???? what rubbish!!!!

i dont buy that tune for a minute.

[branham1965]

nothing personal but i think you are dead wrong.

[/quote]


Billy
You lose one bile duct. I don't support any ministry aside from missions and local church.
There are many Pentecostal preachers I love and try to imitate you just don't know them because they refuse to associate themselves with Radio or TV ministry.
MacArthur is a man I honor because of his excellence of theology. However I totally disagree with his cessationalism and his grouping Pentecostal, Charismatic, Word of Faith together went he is talking about abuses committed by false teachers on TV and Radio. There are other points we disagree on but most of his work is excellent.

As far as altar calls I love them IF they are orchestrated by the Holy Spirit and not man. Unless you have seen both you can't understand the difference. Once you have seen a genuine altar you would throw sticks at the ones generated by man also. I get turned off the minute man tries to make something happen. I especially dislike emotional manipulation. With scare tactics running a close second.

For a man to be truly saved he must have the Holy Spirit open his eyes to the absolute dissolution and emptiness of his spirit. That he has absolutely nothing to offer God but only hope for what he desire most, eternal life, can only come from God.
To be Makarios he must be Ptōchos of spirit, He must mourn and be meek, he must hunger and thirst for righteousness, he must be merciful and holy a be a peacemaker, and for that he will be persecuted but his will be the Kingdom of Heaven.[/quote]

[branham1965]

this is not personal.
but i know you are dead wrong about some things.


WHEN YOU ARE ON HERE PRAISING JOHN ...JOHN ....."STRANGE FIRE" MACARTHUR?????? A MAN WHO IS IN OPPOSITION TO GOD AND EVERY GODLY PREACHER IN PENTECOST-CHARISMA LIVING OR DEAD.... AND WHO OPPOSES REVEREND DAKE HIMSELF NO THANK YOU....NO THANK YOU.....NOT NOW NOT EVER. +pieface

[Justaned]

Billy
I never said Finney wasn't used of God. In fact I never said any that you mentioned were not used of God. If God can use a * he certainly can use man.
What I said about Finney was he held Presbyterian credentials and Presbyterians are definitely Calvinistic.
What I said about Graham was that in the crusade I was involved in, there were thousands of volunteers that went down to altar to pray with people. That resulted in over half the people coming forward were in fact already saved people that were told to respond to the altar call.
I don't think I ever mentioned Parsley or Hagin. So I am not sure why you are going off.

And I won't apologize for appreciating MacArthur's wisdom on Bible study, Sermon preparation, church leadership, disciple making, exegesis, historical information and many other interesting points he makes in his books. That does not mean I support his Calvinism, his cessationalism, or fact he contributes Word of Faith falsehoods and abuses to the general Pentecostal/Charismatic community. If that alienates you and you want to terminate our friendship so be it but understand I still consider you a dear brother in the Lord.
Justaned

I know for a fact that Billy Graham ,Ernest Angley's,Rod Parsley's ,Kenneth Hagin's, and others are valid God honoring Ministries.

My family has been very blessed by all of them.

The idea is to get everyone to doubt the Anointing and moves of God in all Ministries

except....... the Calvinistic ones that a certain person or persons might approve of.

btw the Sword of the Lord and other Baptists are not hyper calvinists.

And Ed... Charles Finney was called and used of God no matter what you and your unbelieving Calvinist chums say about him.
i dont fall for it Ed.
i dont care who does.you openly brazenly accept that garbage book Macarthur is selling and yet purport yourself to be Pentecostal???? what rubbish!!!!

i dont buy that tune for a minute.

[bibleman]

Billy
I never said Finney wasn't used of God. In fact I never said any that you mentioned were not used of God. If God can use a * he certainly can use man.
What I said about Finney was he held Presbyterian credentials and Presbyterians are definitely Calvinistic.
What I said about Graham was that in the crusade I was involved in, there were thousands of volunteers that went down to altar to pray with people. That resulted in over half the people coming forward were in fact already saved people that were told to respond to the altar call.
I don't think I ever mentioned Parsley or Hagin. So I am not sure why you are going off.

And I won't apologize for appreciating MacArthur's wisdom on Bible study, Sermon preparation, church leadership, disciple making, exegesis, historical information and many other interesting points he makes in his books. That does not mean I support his Calvinism, his cessationalism, or fact he contributes Word of Faith falsehoods and abuses to the general Pentecostal/Charismatic community. If that alienates you and you want to terminate our friendship so be it but understand I still consider you a dear brother in the Lord.
Justaned

Don't worry Ed...

I still love you even though you like MacArthur who is an idiot!

I know for a fact that Billy Graham ,Ernest Angley's,Rod Parsley's ,Kenneth Hagin's, and others are valid God honoring Ministries.

My family has been very blessed by all of them.

The idea is to get everyone to doubt the Anointing and moves of God in all Ministries

except....... the Calvinistic ones that a certain person or persons might approve of.

btw the Sword of the Lord and other Baptists are not hyper calvinists.

And Ed... Charles Finney was called and used of God no matter what you and your unbelieving Calvinist chums say about him.
i dont fall for it Ed.
i dont care who does.you openly brazenly accept that garbage book Macarthur is selling and yet purport yourself to be Pentecostal???? what rubbish!!!!

i dont buy that tune for a minute.

[Rocky]

The point most seems to be missing is Calvinist are sincere and faithful people whether you want to believe it or not. They sincerely believe their position is clearly seen in scripture and they can't understand why others do not see it also..

Calvinist may be sincere but they are sincerely wrong.

MacArthur is a man I honor because of his excellence of theology

And that statement does not surprise me but there it is in big bold letters. Ed this whole time you have been running me in circles and playing games with me and others about certain topics, when I knew all along where you were getting your Theology.(I am sure others all ready knew this as well) and then you would always flat out deny it. That is really frustrating when someone plays mind games in discussions. Rant over
+pieface

Rocky
I am sure you are not rowing with both oars.
Read what I said.

MacArthur is a man I honor because of his excellence of theology. However I totally disagree with his cessationalism and his grouping Pentecostal, Charismatic, Word of Faith together when he is talking about abuses committed by false teachers on TV and Radio. There are other points we disagree on but most of his work is excellent.

(typing error corrected.)

Do you see any where I said I agreed 100% with MacArthur? I have already said I disagree with Calvinism so I didn't not think I had to include any of his Calvinist theology. In case you didn't know there there is a lot more of scripture than the tulip of Calvinism, Pentecostalism and Cessationalism.

Not that they aren't important they are in fact Salvation is the most important. However MacArthur has done an excellent job on most of his work on church leadership, discipline and such. In fact he has done an excellent job on many things. His work on Pastorial ministry, pastorial integrity, sermon preparation, church growth, disciple making and better than most other authors on the subject. To deny MacArthur or to discount non Arminian theologians because you don't agree totally with all aspects of their teaching tells me you are missing a huge part of Protestant Theology since the majority of it is written by Calvinist, Baptist and non Pentecostals.

If you are going to attack me personally at least try to do it honestly.

Easy Ed you going to strip them gears droping it down in reverse that fast.

Ed I gave a quote that you posted and also I have acknowledged the fact that I don't believe you are a 5 pointer. What you said is what you said. And again you said "most of his work is excellent". I never said you believed in election but just about all of your views are in fact from a Calvinist perspective. You like MacArthur we all know that. But at least MacArthur's theology adds up to the rest of his views your mixture of his theoligy and Arminianism makes you sound confused. MacArthur teaches Damnable heresy, but follow him if you wan that is your freedom to do so.

[Justaned]

The point most seems to be missing is Calvinist are sincere and faithful people whether you want to believe it or not. They sincerely believe their position is clearly seen in scripture and they can't understand why others do not see it also..

Calvinist may be sincere but they are sincerely wrong.

MacArthur is a man I honor because of his excellence of theology

And that statement does not surprise me but there it is in big bold letters. Ed this whole time you have been running me in circles and playing games with me and others about certain topics, when I knew all along where you were getting your Theology.(I am sure others all ready knew this as well) and then you would always flat out deny it. That is really frustrating when someone plays mind games in discussions. Rant over
+pieface

Rocky
I am sure you are not rowing with both oars.
Read what I said.

MacArthur is a man I honor because of his excellence of theology. However I totally disagree with his cessationalism and his grouping Pentecostal, Charismatic, Word of Faith together when he is talking about abuses committed by false teachers on TV and Radio. There are other points we disagree on but most of his work is excellent.

(typing error corrected.)

Do you see any where I said I agreed 100% with MacArthur? I have already said I disagree with Calvinism so I didn't not think I had to include any of his Calvinist theology. In case you didn't know there there is a lot more of scripture than the tulip of Calvinism, Pentecostalism and Cessationalism.

Not that they aren't important they are in fact Salvation is the most important. However MacArthur has done an excellent job on most of his work on church leadership, discipline and such. In fact he has done an excellent job on many things. His work on Pastorial ministry, pastorial integrity, sermon preparation, church growth, disciple making and better than most other authors on the subject. To deny MacArthur or to discount non Arminian theologians because you don't agree totally with all aspects of their teaching tells me you are missing a huge part of Protestant Theology since the majority of it is written by Calvinist, Baptist and non Pentecostals.

If you are going to attack me personally at least try to do it honestly.

Easy Ed you going to strip them gears droping it down in reverse that fast.

Ed I gave a quote that you posted and also I have acknowledged the fact that I don't believe you are a 5 pointer. What you said is what you said. And again you said "most of his work is excellent". I never said you believed in election but just about all of your views are in fact from a Calvinist perspective. You like MacArthur we all know that. But at least MacArthur's theology adds up to the rest of his views your mixture of his theoligy and Arminianism makes you sound confused. MacArthur teaches Damnable heresy, but follow him if you wan that is your freedom to do so.

Although it is not very gracious and I pray God's mercy on me for saying it and on you for bringing me to the point where I had to say it but Rocky you need to hear this.
In all honesty Rocky I don't believe you could recognized damnable theology. In fact I doubt you fully understand the more subtle points of Word of Faith let alone theology you say you don't agree with. I have found you have a Protestant view of Catholicism based on heresy and what you think you remember. Your view of Baptist is without any merit, I don't think you understand holiness enough to be Pentecostal and you sure don't know much about Calvinism.

You have your likes and your dislikes but you can neither defend or articulate either so you usually resort to wide eyed knee jerk comments or launch into personal attacks.

I feel very secure in my appreciation of MacArthur just by the fact you don't like him. That one factor alone makes me more sure his teaching on many subjects is valid.

Now if you want to discuss any theological point in a rational and adult manner with no name calling, too cure for prime time funnies or comments that totally convince me your elevator goes to the top but the doors don't open, let me know. Until then color me happy for associating myself with people you don't like.