Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Joseph Prince teaches OSAS

[Justaned]

So then if a Christian commits a sin such as "killing his wife" that Christian would be lost and go to Hell (without repentance) right?

I don't believe a Christian would kill his wife. I can believe a person that pretended to know Jesus but never really had a relationship with Christ could do that. If you are really in Christ, Christ will make a way an escape a way to relieve the tension so you don't react. People in Christ don't react in mindless ways, however people often try to suggest that happens. They would rather believe a Christian murdered the person than believe the person that murdered someone was never saved.

Translation - Once Saved Always Saved.

The more you define your position the more you agree with Creflo!

Now is saying what I said OSAS? And as I said I don't know what Creflo says so I can't respond to that aspect.

How is that OSAS?

Well to you a Christian can commit a "death penalty sin" like murder and yet to you they are not judged for it.

How?

By you saying they were never saved at all.

That is your out.

You OSAS in practice and doctrine Ed - Just like Creflo!

If they are never saved it doesn't matter if the killed or not they are still damned.
OSAS says a saved person can not lose their salvation. I'm saying a saved person can indeed lose their salvation.

I never remotely suggestted that a person saved or not could commit a death penalty sin and not be judged for it. Let us be truthful now.

I said a didn't believe a truly saved person would commit a death penalty sin not that he would never be judged for it if he had. I also said if a person does commit a death penalty sin I don't think they were saved to begin with and unless they do get saved they are damned.

Hi Creflo... I mean Ed,

Above you said: I said a didn't believe a truly saved person would commit a death penalty sin not that he would never be judged for it if he had. I also said if a person does commit a death penalty sin I don't think they were saved to begin with and unless they do get saved they are damned.

See you say a Christian can never commit a death penalty sin.

Translation a Christian will never commit a sin that will take them to Hell.

Just like Creflo!

Creflo and EDflo two peas in a pod!

I never said "CAN" never, I said they I don't believe a truly saved person would ever. I also never said a truly save person can not lose his salvation and go to hell. So don't put words in my mouth I call God as my witness to what I'm saying. I believe a saved person can lose his salvation by going into what people consider to be apostasy, a lost of relationship with Christ. I do not believe a truly saved person would commit a sin that would cost them their salvation.
As God is my witness that is what I say and that is what I mean. You can change it anyway you want then even heaven knows you will be lying.

[bibleman]

So then if a Christian commits a sin such as "killing his wife" that Christian would be lost and go to Hell (without repentance) right?

I don't believe a Christian would kill his wife. I can believe a person that pretended to know Jesus but never really had a relationship with Christ could do that. If you are really in Christ, Christ will make a way an escape a way to relieve the tension so you don't react. People in Christ don't react in mindless ways, however people often try to suggest that happens. They would rather believe a Christian murdered the person than believe the person that murdered someone was never saved.

Translation - Once Saved Always Saved.

The more you define your position the more you agree with Creflo!

Now is saying what I said OSAS? And as I said I don't know what Creflo says so I can't respond to that aspect.

How is that OSAS?

Well to you a Christian can commit a "death penalty sin" like murder and yet to you they are not judged for it.

How?

By you saying they were never saved at all.

That is your out.

You OSAS in practice and doctrine Ed - Just like Creflo!

If they are never saved it doesn't matter if the killed or not they are still damned.
OSAS says a saved person can not lose their salvation. I'm saying a saved person can indeed lose their salvation.

I never remotely suggestted that a person saved or not could commit a death penalty sin and not be judged for it. Let us be truthful now.

I said a didn't believe a truly saved person would commit a death penalty sin not that he would never be judged for it if he had. I also said if a person does commit a death penalty sin I don't think they were saved to begin with and unless they do get saved they are damned.

Hi Creflo... I mean Ed,

Above you said: I said a didn't believe a truly saved person would commit a death penalty sin not that he would never be judged for it if he had. I also said if a person does commit a death penalty sin I don't think they were saved to begin with and unless they do get saved they are damned.

See you say a Christian can never commit a death penalty sin.

Translation a Christian will never commit a sin that will take them to Hell.

Just like Creflo!

Creflo and EDflo two peas in a pod!

I never said "CAN" never, I said they I don't believe a truly saved person would ever. I also never said a truly save person can not lose his salvation and go to hell. So don't put words in my mouth I call God as my witness to what I'm saying. I believe a saved person can lose his salvation by going into what people consider to be apostasy, a lost of relationship with Christ. I do not believe a truly saved person would commit a sin that would cost them their salvation.
As God is my witness that is what I say and that is what I mean. You can change it anyway you want then even heaven knows you will be lying.

Hi ed,

Above you said: " I do not believe a truly saved person would commit a sin that would cost them their salvation."

So in practice you believe in once saved always saved for all sins EXCEPT apostasy.

Right?

[Justaned]

Hi ed,

Above you said: " I do not believe a truly saved person would commit a sin that would cost them their salvation."

So in practice you believe in once saved always saved for all sins EXCEPT apostasy.

Right?

I never said saved from all sins. I said a truly saved person would not commit something like murder.

[bibleman]

Hi ed,

Above you said: " I do not believe a truly saved person would commit a sin that would cost them their salvation."

So in practice you believe in once saved always saved for all sins EXCEPT apostasy.

Right?

I never said saved from all sins. I said a truly saved person would not commit something like murder.

No a truly saved person would not commit murder, but the could backslid on God and commit murder. Don't you agree?

[Justaned]

Hi ed,

Above you said: " I do not believe a truly saved person would commit a sin that would cost them their salvation."

So in practice you believe in once saved always saved for all sins EXCEPT apostasy.

Right?

I never said saved from all sins. I said a truly saved person would not commit something like murder.

No a truly saved person would not commit murder, but the could backslid on God and commit murder. Don't you agree?

He would have to back slide the whole way into apostasy and commit the murder on that I would agree.

[frad70]

Habe you guys seen this?http://www.awmi.net/extra/article/redemption

[frad70]

SVP! I think the article is sound.

[Justaned]

SVP! I think the article is sound.

That is a surprising view point from someone that thinks the cross was such an utter failure and defeat. Where to you think forgiveness of sin came from? If it wasn't from the cross?

[frad70]

It was finalised when His Blood was carried to the Heavenly Temple, after His death, burial and resurrection.

[titus213]

It was finalised when His Blood was carried to the Heavenly Temple, after His death, burial and resurrection.

The Bible doesn't teach that Jesus carried His blood to the Heavenly Temple. Hebrews 9.12 is explicit on this point in Greek by its use of the adjective 'dia': Jesus entered BY or THROUGH His blood, but not WITH it. The English translations which opt for the translation "with his blood" or "taking his blood" are flat out wrong. The epistle draws a contrast between the high priest in Old Testament times who entered into the holy of holies on the day of atonement "WITH blood that is not his own" (9.26) and Jesus our great high priest who entered into the heavenly sanctuary once for all not "with" but "through" his own blood . . . by virtue of the perfect sacrifice he offered when he yielded up his life on the cross.