Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ CREFLO no need to confess sin

[branham1965]

Pastor
he is teaching it.all sins forgiven past present and future.and as Reverend Reuben said it in his inimitable way.
my Pastor would tell Creflo Joe Prince Wommackor anyone else teaching that poison THAT THEY ARE DECEIVED BY LUCIFER!!!!!i know he would.he lived/preached the Dake Bible.i once went to him after a mens meeting.walking home from school i had actually smoked pot.i never have done that much in my life.i dont care for it.i talked to him and he said it would be a shame ...for you to go to hell Billy and miss all that God has for you over something like that.we prayed.he laid hands....on me.it was over.
i dated two stunning girls in the Church.the idea of sleeping together was ... inconceivable because HE PREACHED HARD AGAINST SIN.


oh rewriting his books is he?????i wonder why????
Dad Hagin NEVER taught such a thing.He would be very heartbroken over this.

I AM NOT.
YOU KNOW THIS IS SO. HE IS TEACHING GOD DOES NOT IMPUTE SIN TO THE BELIEVER!!!!!DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR!!!!!AND SO I CAN COMMIT ALL 17 WORKS OF THE FLESH TONIGHT AND ACCORDING TO THESE FELLOWS IM FINE.WHAT DEVIL DOCTRINE.

REVEREND DAKE WAS RIGHT.SIN IS IMPUTED TO YOU AND ME IF WE COMMIT IT.I KNEW THAT WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL 1976-1979 FROM THE DAKE BIBLE AND THE RED BOOK CADILLAC.
NOW THESE GUYS ARE TEACHING THIS HYPERGRACE AND ITS ACCEPTED.EVEN CODDLED!!!
IF WE OR AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN PREACH ANY OTHER GOSPEL PAUL SAID.....LET HIM BE ACCURSED.GAL 1.

Bibleman
Most of the religious aspect of the law was fulfilled by Jesus. In any case 1Tim4:4,5 tells us we sanctify the food with prayer. Is there one place that lists all the aspects of the Old Testament Law Jesus fulfilled? No. It requires study to find them.

So again you are in agreement with Creflo Dollar.

Hi Billy,

I talked to a publisher of Creflo in July and he told me that Creflo was re-writing his older books to include the message of grace.

Now I don't know what that means.

If you will point out a statement in that video that he says something wrong then I will take a look at it.

But I will not judge a man until I hear the evidence.

Above you said: "HE IS TEACHING GOD DOES NOT IMPUTE SIN TO THE BELIEVER!!!!!"

At what point in the video did he say that?

Please give the time number so I can listen to it.

[branham1965]

Thanks REVED.
i believe he is.if im wrong...ill deal with it.but he sounds very odd.
i heard him say today we no longer need to confess our sins.he means believers not sinners.we are covered past present future!!!!
says Creflo.not the Bible.
what is that????he is off center.

Bibleman
Let us not take this thread into a ditch as you try to trip me up let us get back the meat of the thread.
Billy is saying Creflo Dollar is teaching Hypergrace. Do you agree with the doctrine of Hypergrace?

If not then why this wild chase into never never land at the expense of this thread?

Let us talk about Hypergrace and the error that are birthed by it.

[bibleman]

Thanks REVED.
i believe he is.if im wrong...ill deal with it.but he sounds very odd.
i heard him say today we no longer need to confess our sins.he means believers not sinners.we are covered past present future!!!!
says Creflo.not the Bible.
what is that????he is off center.

Bibleman
Let us not take this thread into a ditch as you try to trip me up let us get back the meat of the thread.
Billy is saying Creflo Dollar is teaching Hypergrace. Do you agree with the doctrine of Hypergrace?

If not then why this wild chase into never never land at the expense of this thread?

Let us talk about Hypergrace and the error that are birthed by it.

I posted the video that you spoke of in this thread.

Listen to it and tell me the PLACE where he said "we are covered past present future."

I am NOT saying he said that or he did not say that... But I just did not hear it on the video.

Maybe I missed it, please point out to me what TIME on that video he said that.

Last time I am gong to ask.

[Justaned]

Bibleman
Let us not take this thread into a ditch as you try to trip me up let us get back the meat of the thread.
Billy is saying Creflo Dollar is teaching Hypergrace. Do you agree with the doctrine of Hypergrace?

If not then why this wild chase into never never land at the expense of this thread?

Let us talk about Hypergrace and the error that are birthed by it.

HI Ed,

The problem is, it has NOT been established that Creflo teaches hyper grace.

He may or he may not....

Do you have a citation or a place in the video that would confirm that Creflo teaches hyper grace?

Bibleman

I can't help you with what Creflo teaches. I heard him once or twice and I know his background and frankly what Creflo Dollar has to say does not interest me at all. In my opinion Creflo will say or do what it takes to build his empire so I can believe he would be pro hypergrace one day and anti grace the next depending on the audience.

I was just commenting on what Billy said Creflo said and I know Billy is usually very accurate about people.

[bibleman]

OK guys,

Dr. Creflo Dollar, Who Said It's Ok to Sin

Listen to this. 4 minutes long.

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Here is the whole message.

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Listen to this and you will hear some very troubling teaching, long about 20:00 and then 38:00, and then to 46:00.

BUT this was NOT said on the video that Billy and Ed spoke about.

The point is, that I was trying to make is you do not judge someone without the evidence.

So now based on this video and NOT the other we have a discussion.

But now all of this being said, it seems to me that based on what I have heard Ed say on this forum and what I have heard Creflo say on that video... Well they are both saying the same thing.

[Justaned]

BUT this was NOT said on the video that Billy and Ed spoke about.

But now all of this being said, it seems to me that based on what I have heard Ed say on this forum and what I have heard Creflo say on that video... Well they are both saying the same thing.

Bibleman

First I did not speak to a video. I spoke to what Billy said. Don't include me in as speaking to a video that I did not. Thank you.

Second what is the last paragraph mean? What is Ed and what is Creflo saying that is the same thing?

[bibleman]

BUT this was NOT said on the video that Billy and Ed spoke about.

But now all of this being said, it seems to me that based on what I have heard Ed say on this forum and what I have heard Creflo say on that video... Well they are both saying the same thing.

Bibleman

First I did not speak to a video. I spoke to what Billy said. Don't include me in as speaking to a video that I did not. Thank you.

Second what is the last paragraph mean? What is Ed and what is Creflo saying that is the same thing?

Have you listened to the video???

BOTH you and Creflo teach that the only sin that will keep you out of Heaven is the sin of rejecting Jesus - NOT other sins.

[Justaned]

BUT this was NOT said on the video that Billy and Ed spoke about.

But now all of this being said, it seems to me that based on what I have heard Ed say on this forum and what I have heard Creflo say on that video... Well they are both saying the same thing.

Bibleman

First I did not speak to a video. I spoke to what Billy said. Don't include me in as speaking to a video that I did not. Thank you.

Second what is the last paragraph mean? What is Ed and what is Creflo saying that is the same thing?

Have you listened to the video???

BOTH you and Creflo teach that the only sin that will keep you out of Heaven is the sin of rejecting Jesus - NOT other sins.

Now wait I never said sin will not keep you out of heaven. I said if every sin kept us out of heaven none of us would ever make heaven. Most if not all of us commit sins of omission daily without ever realizing it. I don't think unintentional sin will keep us out of heaven.
That is far different than planing a bank robbery, arming oneself to the teeth and going in and robbing a bank shooting five people in the process and saying those sins will not keep me out of heaven.

People love to go to extremes and I think this is a perfect example. Once we are truly saved, and truly trying to live for Christ and we slip and sin I don't think we are then lost. I think if we are convicted of it we should say to God we are sorry and ask God to help us be more careful. However if it is a sin we commit and aren't convicted of or a sin omission that we never think about I don't think that sin keeps us from heaven.

I don't know what Creflo said because I have no interest in hearing but if Billy said, Creflo said thus and such I believe him.

Let me say I think every Christian would be wise to repeat the Lord's Prayer at least once a day. In that prayer we are asking for forgiveness of sins we are aware of and sin we aren't aware of.

[bibleman]

BUT this was NOT said on the video that Billy and Ed spoke about.

But now all of this being said, it seems to me that based on what I have heard Ed say on this forum and what I have heard Creflo say on that video... Well they are both saying the same thing.

Bibleman

First I did not speak to a video. I spoke to what Billy said. Don't include me in as speaking to a video that I did not. Thank you.

Second what is the last paragraph mean? What is Ed and what is Creflo saying that is the same thing?

Have you listened to the video???

BOTH you and Creflo teach that the only sin that will keep you out of Heaven is the sin of rejecting Jesus - NOT other sins.

Now wait I never said sin will not keep you out of heaven. I said if every sin kept us out of heaven none of us would ever make heaven. Most if not all of us commit sins of omission daily without ever realizing it. I don't think unintentional sin will keep us out of heaven.
That is far different than planing a bank robbery, arming oneself to the teeth and going in and robbing a bank shooting five people in the process and saying those sins will not keep me out of heaven.

People love to go to extremes and I think this is a perfect example. Once we are truly saved, and truly trying to live for Christ and we slip and sin I don't think we are then lost. I think if we are convicted of it we should say to God we are sorry and ask God to help us be more careful. However if it is a sin we commit and aren't convicted of or a sin omission that we never think about I don't think that sin keeps us from heaven.

I don't know what Creflo said because I have no interest in hearing but if Billy said, Creflo said thus and such I believe him.

Let me say I think every Christian would be wise to repeat the Lord's Prayer at least once a day. In that prayer we are asking for forgiveness of sins we are aware of and sin we aren't aware of.

Hi Ed,

Above you said: "Once we are truly saved, and truly trying to live for Christ and we slip and sin I don't think we are then lost. I think if we are convicted of it we should say to God we are sorry and ask God to help us be more careful. However if it is a sin we commit and aren't convicted of or a sin omission that we never think about I don't think that sin keeps us from heaven."

Right and Creflo says the same thing.

YOU and CREFLO believe the same thing on this issue.

[Justaned]

BUT this was NOT said on the video that Billy and Ed spoke about.

But now all of this being said, it seems to me that based on what I have heard Ed say on this forum and what I have heard Creflo say on that video... Well they are both saying the same thing.

Bibleman

First I did not speak to a video. I spoke to what Billy said. Don't include me in as speaking to a video that I did not. Thank you.

Second what is the last paragraph mean? What is Ed and what is Creflo saying that is the same thing?

Have you listened to the video???

BOTH you and Creflo teach that the only sin that will keep you out of Heaven is the sin of rejecting Jesus - NOT other sins.

Now wait I never said sin will not keep you out of heaven. I said if every sin kept us out of heaven none of us would ever make heaven. Most if not all of us commit sins of omission daily without ever realizing it. I don't think unintentional sin will keep us out of heaven.
That is far different than planing a bank robbery, arming oneself to the teeth and going in and robbing a bank shooting five people in the process and saying those sins will not keep me out of heaven.

People love to go to extremes and I think this is a perfect example. Once we are truly saved, and truly trying to live for Christ and we slip and sin I don't think we are then lost. I think if we are convicted of it we should say to God we are sorry and ask God to help us be more careful. However if it is a sin we commit and aren't convicted of or a sin omission that we never think about I don't think that sin keeps us from heaven.

I don't know what Creflo said because I have no interest in hearing but if Billy said, Creflo said thus and such I believe him.

Let me say I think every Christian would be wise to repeat the Lord's Prayer at least once a day. In that prayer we are asking for forgiveness of sins we are aware of and sin we aren't aware of.

Hi Ed,

Above you said: "Once we are truly saved, and truly trying to live for Christ and we slip and sin I don't think we are then lost. I think if we are convicted of it we should say to God we are sorry and ask God to help us be more careful. However if it is a sin we commit and aren't convicted of or a sin omission that we never think about I don't think that sin keeps us from heaven."

Right and Creflo says the same thing.

YOU and CREFLO believe the same thing on this issue.

I know what I'm saying I don't know what Creflo is saying so I can't answer to that.
I think it is very slippery slope to try to justify sin in any shape form or fashion and equally so to dismiss it.
A Christian should endeavor to live as sinless a life as Christ. IF they slip they have an intercessor Christ Himself that their sins are under his blood. That is not saying we can intentionally go out and commit a sin and say oh well the blood of Jesus forgives me. NO NEVER! Paul made that point real clear in Romans.

Again almost everyone of us commits the sin of omission each day simply because we don't realize it or think about it. To suggest any unconfessed sin will keep us out of heaven would in effect condemn each of us to eternal damnation. I don't think that is the case.

That is not to say we can be ignorant of the fact we are sinners and expect salvation. I think the story starting in Matthew 22:10 is a perfect example as that not being the case. The man came to the wedding but never changed his dress, never washed himself from the stain of sin, apparently because he didn't think it necessary since he was begged to come in. In any case his ignorance of the need to put on wedding clothes cost him his seat at the marriage dinner. He was casted into the outer darkness where there is great gnashing of teeth.

gnashing of teeth like we hear when I pick on Bibleman.