Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ You don't have to be sick to die, Gloria Copeland just said

[branham1965]

That shows how ignorant you are.OLD SCHOOL PENTECOSTALS REJECT THAT RUBBISH YOU PREACH.BITTERLY BADMOUTHING THE AG WITH NO RESPECT THEN USING THEM AS A SOURCE!!! TWO FACED...

Some of you guys who claim to love the teachings of Dake really make me wonder if you have actually read them. This disdain for faith teachers exhibited here and this Calvinistic sounding talk is nothing like what I have ever read in any of Dake's books, and I have read most of them (with the exception that I have not read all of the notes in the study Bible). It would appear to me that the man who I am told spoke at Marilyn Hickey's church and was friends with Lester Sumrall would not have the same problems with Gloria Copeland as some of the folks who post on this forum.

To me Word-Faith is simply teaching the classic Pentecostal message that most of you modern day Pentecostals have forsaken for a shallow acceptance within mainstream evangelical Christianity.

[branham1965]

who Chris a blue ribbon member???
he and dolph ,vw and others including the Administrator love to stoke,tease,yank on peoples chains ,test patience and the like.then when people retaliateTHEY PUT ALL THE BLAME ON THE PERSON THEY PROVOKED.
I SAID IF SHE SAID THAT SHES NUTS.AND PERVERTING THE BIBLE.AND TALKING LIKE MARY BAKKER EDDY.ITS RUBBISH.

Nasty? I asked you a question...to an answer you seemed to answer with such profound authority...

I answered the question about Pentecostals coming from the baptist.
I didn't say anything about Gloria Copeland or if the Holy Spirit lead her in anyway. But you came at me with a chip on your shoulder almost as if you were daring me to knock it off. That to me is senseless.

[branham1965]

1 Thess 4 the DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST.

1 Cor 15,2 Cor 5 and Phil 3:21 clearly show that Believers will DIE .

PAUL SAID though this outward man perish the inner man is renewed dad by day.
Set your affections on things above.HEAVEN.Col 3

1 Peter 1 Heaven is the home of the Christian.

+pieface +pieface +pieface

[Watchman2013]

Watchman: "One does not "schedule" the Almighty"

I will ask you the same question I asked Ed...Who are to claim that God did not have her schedule these meetings? You go through this whole tirade about God and that He does what He wants, when He wants, where He wants, how He wants, only to immediately follow up with saying that He wouldn't schedule anything? Really? Perhaps the fulness of time had come, and it was time for another healing school...but, according to you, God doesn't do that...right?

Tirade? What tirade? Where are your critical thinking skills? There is no tirade in any post that I've done. Casting aspersions is poor manners, and the fact that nothing I've said is incorrect, does not reflect well upon your "logic." As to "healing schools," what did Reverend Dake use? Hmmmm? How about The Holy Bible, and The Spirit of The Living God? Are you so caught-up in the doctrines of man, that you deny God, and go with man? Do you think that mere man is superior to The Father God, His Glorious Son, His Precious Holy Spirit, or the Perfect Holy Word of God? Who has more veracity? Any man, or God in any and all of His Aspects? Father/Son/Holy Spirit?

You defend the doctrines of man, yet choke upon the Word and Spirit of God. In ignoring and/or disregarding God, are you not serving Satan? Beware what you espouse, for the measure with which you judge others, shall be measured unto you...

Great women of faith, like Kathryn Kuhlman and Aimee Semple McPherson, were great soul winners, and in performing the ministries/tasks that God set before them, verified their work with signs, wonders, and miracles. They were genuine, and had proven track records. It is not enough, to claim an anointing, an office, that God has not conferred, for whom He Calls, He Equips...

The term, "cult of personality," has it's basis in military history. Unfortunately, the practice thereof, has migrated, or infected, The Body of Christ. So too, has apostasy, for there will always be those with "itching ears." Neither Brother Hagin, nor Reverend Dake, believed ANY mere mortal personality has the standing of God the Father, God the Son, nor God the Holy Spirit. Were they foolish? Were they in error?

When Brother Hagin saw the Way the Word of Faith movement had strayed from the teachings that The Holy Spirit had led him, he repented, and wrote a book that rebuked Copeland, Capps, Saville, Price, and others. The book? The Midas Touch. Until three years after the passing of Brother Hagin, and the book was published, the above listed men toed the line. Then, they threw-out Brother Hagin's remonstrance, and returned to the ways Brother Hagin found reprehensible... They continue today, not holding to the wise counsel of Brother Hagin. Even Brother Hagin's son, is against their teachings that his father condemned...

You attack those who earnestly, honestly, defend the faith that God has given to all people. Do you think God a liar? What of the Spirit of Truth? Do you deny God and His Word?

You are egregiously in error. Repent, ask forgiveness, and get back to God. Otherwise, you're being disobedient, and attacking those who are doing His Work...

Maranatha

Watchman2013

[cpbeller]

and you still never answered my question...but you sure were quick to attack my personal relationship with God. Thanks, but no thanks. Perhaps you should pull that tree out of your own eye before you start fingering mine? I asked you a question: Who do you think you are, deciding that God did not have Gloria Copeland schedule a healing school meeting? Either you will answer it, ignore me, or demand I ask God for forgiveness and repent.

[macca]

wow cop that

who opened this can of worms?

[cpbeller]

Earlier in the thread, Ed and Watchman were saying that Gloria was wrong for scheduling healing school meetings...because she would be commanding God to do something. My question, though, was who are they to say that God wasn't the one who had her schedule it...I mean, afterall...they both believe God is in control of everything, right? And God can do whatever He wants, right? Unless this is the one thing that God simply cannot do, now...schedule a meeting to teach and train.

And in response, I was told I did not need to get so nasty (by Ed) and then told to repent and ask for forgiveness, and to return to God (by Watchman)...but neither really answered the question. I mean, I guess Ed sorta-kinda did (he said it was his opinion), but Watchman simply began to lecture me on the evils of the doctrines of man (read that as Kenneth Copeland and all that are associated with him is evil, always have been evil, and always will be evil).

Typical anti-WoF stuff that always seems to happen whenever anything good is posted about anyone in the WoF movement....

[Watchman2013]

and you still never answered my question...but you sure were quick to attack my personal relationship with God. Thanks, but no thanks. Perhaps you should pull that tree out of your own eye before you start fingering mine? I asked you a question: Who do you think you are, deciding that God did not have Gloria Copeland schedule a healing school meeting? Either you will answer it, ignore me, or demand I ask God for forgiveness and repent.

Look back at your original question. "Who are to claim that God did not have her schedule these meetings?" Who am I? One who does not believe the doctrines of man, who sees those who profess to be "anointed," yet do not bear witness to the Word, or to the Spirit of The Living God. By their fruit, ye shall know them. Be like the Bereans, and test everything, against the Word and Spirit of God. You attack another here on the Forum, and you attack me. Is it not sad, that those who defend The Faith, are attacked for telling the truth? It must be galling, to defend those who are indefensible- even in the eyes of those that they once revered?

Perhaps you should spend more time investigating those who bring reproach upon the Body of Christ, than defending them out of blind loyalty? Are you afraid of finding out what God thinks of them, and their ministries?

I once asked on here, "Where are the Mighty Men?" You should look-up their qualifications. None of those men, or ministries listed here, condemned by Brother Hagin, are worthy of being called Mighty Men.

Woe unto those who defend the Apostasy that The Lord Jesus Christ foretold- the very same that Reverend Dake taught about... You strain at gnats, but swallow camels. You dishonor The Lord, and you lead others astray, both you and your followers, into a ditch...

As for Gloria Copeland scheduling "healing schools," she can do as she wishes- The Lord God will either confirm His Blessing, or not, for He IS Sovereign... Remember that. God Is Sovereign...

Maranatha

Watchman2013

[macca]

Yes Chris there are some very narsty people out there who are jealous of the ministries of the Coplands and other W O F preachers.

I find it strange that these people are attacking their brothers and sisters in Christ while the people they attack never to my knowledge

say a word against anyone by name.????

All i ever hear from Ken and Gloria is the word of God and how to apply it in our lives if we want to.

More power to them.

macca

[cpbeller]

So, let me get this straight...Gloria Copeland is teaching on healing...but that is the Doctrine of Man? ok, lol...ok....