Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Finis Dake's View of Spirtual Warfare

[bibleman]

i agree with the man of God.

put off the old man...put on the new man.

if you live after the flesh you shall...die.

now you PERFECT folks tell people the sin nature is gone upon regeneration.
PAUL NEVER SHARED YOUR HERESY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
every person of that view fell openly.its a load of rubbish.always have been.

if you have no flesh why are you struggling so.could you hang out alone with a few Vicky secrets models???
there is nothing that sickens me more.

Hi Billy

So you think Dake is a Heritic?

I thought you agreed with Dake on this issue?

What changed you into believing Dake's views are rubbish?

Two Old Things that Pass Away

1. The spirit, nature, and power of sin the old man, which is nothing more nor less than the spirit, nature, and power of the devil working in men of disobedience (Jn. 8:44; Eph. 2:2; 2Cor. 4:4; 1Jn. 3:8; 5:18). This is what the Bible calls:

(1) The old man (Rom. 6:6; Eph. 4:22; Col. 3:9)
(2) Sin (Jn. 1:29; 8:34; Rom. 6:4 -- Rom. 8:2)
(3) The body of sin (Rom. 6:6)
(4) The power of Satan (Acts 26:18)
(5) The body of this death (Rom. 7:24)
(6) The lusts of the flesh (Eph. 2:3)
(7) The lust of the eyes (1Jn. 2:15-17)
(8) The pride of life (1Jn. 2:15-17)
(9) The works of the flesh (Gal. 5:19)
(10) The world (1Jn. 2:15-17; Jas. 4:4)
(11) Vile affections (Rom. 1:26,29)
(12) The lusts of the mind (Eph. 2:3)
(13) The lusts of sin (Rom. 6:11-12)
(14) The motions of sins (Rom. 7:5)
(15) The law of sin and death (Rom. 7:7 -- Rom. 8:2)
(16) The carnal mind (Rom. 8:1-13)
(17) The god of this world (2Cor. 4:4)
(18) Spiritual wickedness in high places ... rulers of darkness (Eph. 6:12)
(19) The lusts of your father (Jn. 8:44)
(20) Sin that dwelleth in me (Rom. 7:17)
(21) The course of this world (Eph. 2:2)
(22) The body of the sins of the flesh (Col. 2:11; Gal. 5:24; Rom. 8)

2. Outward sin or transgression of the law (1Jn. 3:4; Rom. 4:15; Jas. 1:13-15). The outward acts are listed in Mk. 7:19-21; Rom. 1:18-32; 2Cor. 6:9-11; Gal. 5:19-21; Col. 3:5-10)

Both outward and inward sin must pass away or one cannot claim to be in Christ. The theory that only outward transgressions are forgiven and one is still under control of the old man (the devil) is one of the most erroneous doctrines in Christendom (2Cor. 5:17-18; Eph. 4:24; 1Jn. 5:18; Rom. 6:6-23; 8:1-13). See notes, 1Th. 4:3; 2Th. 2:13.
Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 5".

Hi Billy,

What about Dake and Paul - did they agree with each other?

[branham1965]

YES.

I LOVE REVEREND DAKE....

i agree with the man of God.

put off the old man...put on the new man.

if you live after the flesh you shall...die.

now you PERFECT folks tell people the sin nature is gone upon regeneration.
PAUL NEVER SHARED YOUR HERESY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
every person of that view fell openly.its a load of rubbish.always have been.

if you have no flesh why are you struggling so.could you hang out alone with a few Vicky secrets models???
there is nothing that sickens me more.

Hi Billy

So you think Dake is a Heritic?

I thought you agreed with Dake on this issue?

What changed you into believing Dake's views are rubbish?

Two Old Things that Pass Away

1. The spirit, nature, and power of sin the old man, which is nothing more nor less than the spirit, nature, and power of the devil working in men of disobedience (Jn. 8:44; Eph. 2:2; 2Cor. 4:4; 1Jn. 3:8; 5:18). This is what the Bible calls:

(1) The old man (Rom. 6:6; Eph. 4:22; Col. 3:9)
(2) Sin (Jn. 1:29; 8:34; Rom. 6:4 -- Rom. 8:2)
(3) The body of sin (Rom. 6:6)
(4) The power of Satan (Acts 26:18)
(5) The body of this death (Rom. 7:24)
(6) The lusts of the flesh (Eph. 2:3)
(7) The lust of the eyes (1Jn. 2:15-17)
(8) The pride of life (1Jn. 2:15-17)
(9) The works of the flesh (Gal. 5:19)
(10) The world (1Jn. 2:15-17; Jas. 4:4)
(11) Vile affections (Rom. 1:26,29)
(12) The lusts of the mind (Eph. 2:3)
(13) The lusts of sin (Rom. 6:11-12)
(14) The motions of sins (Rom. 7:5)
(15) The law of sin and death (Rom. 7:7 -- Rom. 8:2)
(16) The carnal mind (Rom. 8:1-13)
(17) The god of this world (2Cor. 4:4)
(18) Spiritual wickedness in high places ... rulers of darkness (Eph. 6:12)
(19) The lusts of your father (Jn. 8:44)
(20) Sin that dwelleth in me (Rom. 7:17)
(21) The course of this world (Eph. 2:2)
(22) The body of the sins of the flesh (Col. 2:11; Gal. 5:24; Rom. 8)

2. Outward sin or transgression of the law (1Jn. 3:4; Rom. 4:15; Jas. 1:13-15). The outward acts are listed in Mk. 7:19-21; Rom. 1:18-32; 2Cor. 6:9-11; Gal. 5:19-21; Col. 3:5-10)

Both outward and inward sin must pass away or one cannot claim to be in Christ. The theory that only outward transgressions are forgiven and one is still under control of the old man (the devil) is one of the most erroneous doctrines in Christendom (2Cor. 5:17-18; Eph. 4:24; 1Jn. 5:18; Rom. 6:6-23; 8:1-13). See notes, 1Th. 4:3; 2Th. 2:13.
Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 5".

Hi Billy,

What about Dake and Paul - did they agree with each other?

[bibleman]

YES.

I LOVE REVEREND DAKE....

i agree with the man of God.

put off the old man...put on the new man.

if you live after the flesh you shall...die.

now you PERFECT folks tell people the sin nature is gone upon regeneration.
PAUL NEVER SHARED YOUR HERESY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
every person of that view fell openly.its a load of rubbish.always have been.

if you have no flesh why are you struggling so.could you hang out alone with a few Vicky secrets models???
there is nothing that sickens me more.

Hi Billy

So you think Dake is a Heritic?

I thought you agreed with Dake on this issue?

What changed you into believing Dake's views are rubbish?

Two Old Things that Pass Away

1. The spirit, nature, and power of sin the old man, which is nothing more nor less than the spirit, nature, and power of the devil working in men of disobedience (Jn. 8:44; Eph. 2:2; 2Cor. 4:4; 1Jn. 3:8; 5:18). This is what the Bible calls:

(1) The old man (Rom. 6:6; Eph. 4:22; Col. 3:9)
(2) Sin (Jn. 1:29; 8:34; Rom. 6:4 -- Rom. 8:2)
(3) The body of sin (Rom. 6:6)
(4) The power of Satan (Acts 26:18)
(5) The body of this death (Rom. 7:24)
(6) The lusts of the flesh (Eph. 2:3)
(7) The lust of the eyes (1Jn. 2:15-17)
(8) The pride of life (1Jn. 2:15-17)
(9) The works of the flesh (Gal. 5:19)
(10) The world (1Jn. 2:15-17; Jas. 4:4)
(11) Vile affections (Rom. 1:26,29)
(12) The lusts of the mind (Eph. 2:3)
(13) The lusts of sin (Rom. 6:11-12)
(14) The motions of sins (Rom. 7:5)
(15) The law of sin and death (Rom. 7:7 -- Rom. 8:2)
(16) The carnal mind (Rom. 8:1-13)
(17) The god of this world (2Cor. 4:4)
(18) Spiritual wickedness in high places ... rulers of darkness (Eph. 6:12)
(19) The lusts of your father (Jn. 8:44)
(20) Sin that dwelleth in me (Rom. 7:17)
(21) The course of this world (Eph. 2:2)
(22) The body of the sins of the flesh (Col. 2:11; Gal. 5:24; Rom. 8)

2. Outward sin or transgression of the law (1Jn. 3:4; Rom. 4:15; Jas. 1:13-15). The outward acts are listed in Mk. 7:19-21; Rom. 1:18-32; 2Cor. 6:9-11; Gal. 5:19-21; Col. 3:5-10)

Both outward and inward sin must pass away or one cannot claim to be in Christ. The theory that only outward transgressions are forgiven and one is still under control of the old man (the devil) is one of the most erroneous doctrines in Christendom (2Cor. 5:17-18; Eph. 4:24; 1Jn. 5:18; Rom. 6:6-23; 8:1-13). See notes, 1Th. 4:3; 2Th. 2:13.
Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 5".

Hi Billy,

What about Dake and Paul - did they agree with each other?

Well Billy,

If you agree that Dake and Paul taught the same thing, THAT: "The spirit, nature, and power of sin the old man, which is nothing more nor less than the spirit, nature, and power of the devil working in men of disobedience" PASSED away at the new birth...

then why did you say that teaching is heresy?

[Justaned]

YES.

I LOVE REVEREND DAKE....

i agree with the man of God.

put off the old man...put on the new man.

if you live after the flesh you shall...die.

now you PERFECT folks tell people the sin nature is gone upon regeneration.
PAUL NEVER SHARED YOUR HERESY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
every person of that view fell openly.its a load of rubbish.always have been.

if you have no flesh why are you struggling so.could you hang out alone with a few Vicky secrets models???
there is nothing that sickens me more.

Hi Billy

So you think Dake is a Heritic?

I thought you agreed with Dake on this issue?

What changed you into believing Dake's views are rubbish?

Two Old Things that Pass Away

1. The spirit, nature, and power of sin the old man, which is nothing more nor less than the spirit, nature, and power of the devil working in men of disobedience (Jn. 8:44; Eph. 2:2; 2Cor. 4:4; 1Jn. 3:8; 5:18). This is what the Bible calls:

(1) The old man (Rom. 6:6; Eph. 4:22; Col. 3:9)
(2) Sin (Jn. 1:29; 8:34; Rom. 6:4 -- Rom. 8:2)
(3) The body of sin (Rom. 6:6)
(4) The power of Satan (Acts 26:18)
(5) The body of this death (Rom. 7:24)
(6) The lusts of the flesh (Eph. 2:3)
(7) The lust of the eyes (1Jn. 2:15-17)
(8) The pride of life (1Jn. 2:15-17)
(9) The works of the flesh (Gal. 5:19)
(10) The world (1Jn. 2:15-17; Jas. 4:4)
(11) Vile affections (Rom. 1:26,29)
(12) The lusts of the mind (Eph. 2:3)
(13) The lusts of sin (Rom. 6:11-12)
(14) The motions of sins (Rom. 7:5)
(15) The law of sin and death (Rom. 7:7 -- Rom. 8:2)
(16) The carnal mind (Rom. 8:1-13)
(17) The god of this world (2Cor. 4:4)
(18) Spiritual wickedness in high places ... rulers of darkness (Eph. 6:12)
(19) The lusts of your father (Jn. 8:44)
(20) Sin that dwelleth in me (Rom. 7:17)
(21) The course of this world (Eph. 2:2)
(22) The body of the sins of the flesh (Col. 2:11; Gal. 5:24; Rom. 8)

2. Outward sin or transgression of the law (1Jn. 3:4; Rom. 4:15; Jas. 1:13-15). The outward acts are listed in Mk. 7:19-21; Rom. 1:18-32; 2Cor. 6:9-11; Gal. 5:19-21; Col. 3:5-10)

Both outward and inward sin must pass away or one cannot claim to be in Christ. The theory that only outward transgressions are forgiven and one is still under control of the old man (the devil) is one of the most erroneous doctrines in Christendom (2Cor. 5:17-18; Eph. 4:24; 1Jn. 5:18; Rom. 6:6-23; 8:1-13). See notes, 1Th. 4:3; 2Th. 2:13.
Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 5".

Hi Billy,

What about Dake and Paul - did they agree with each other?

Well Billy,

If you agree that Dake and Paul taught the same thing, THAT: "The spirit, nature, and power of sin the old man, which is nothing more nor less than the spirit, nature, and power of the devil working in men of disobedience" PASSED away at the new birth...

then why did you say that teaching is heresy?

Bibleman
Are you a closet OSAS? Sounds like it you are beating Billy saying that the sin nature of man once that man is saved is dead therefore he won't sin. So once Saved the sin nature is dead therefore you are always saved. Maybe you are more OSSDAS Once Saved Sin is Dead so you are Always Saved. Neat so now I can tear out Hebrews 6 and 10 and most of James from my Bible. Thanks if I stick with you long enough all I will have left and is "are you not gods"

[bibleman]

YES.

I LOVE REVEREND DAKE....

i agree with the man of God.

put off the old man...put on the new man.

if you live after the flesh you shall...die.

now you PERFECT folks tell people the sin nature is gone upon regeneration.
PAUL NEVER SHARED YOUR HERESY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
every person of that view fell openly.its a load of rubbish.always have been.

if you have no flesh why are you struggling so.could you hang out alone with a few Vicky secrets models???
there is nothing that sickens me more.

Hi Billy

So you think Dake is a Heritic?

I thought you agreed with Dake on this issue?

What changed you into believing Dake's views are rubbish?

Two Old Things that Pass Away

1. The spirit, nature, and power of sin the old man, which is nothing more nor less than the spirit, nature, and power of the devil working in men of disobedience (Jn. 8:44; Eph. 2:2; 2Cor. 4:4; 1Jn. 3:8; 5:18). This is what the Bible calls:

(1) The old man (Rom. 6:6; Eph. 4:22; Col. 3:9)
(2) Sin (Jn. 1:29; 8:34; Rom. 6:4 -- Rom. 8:2)
(3) The body of sin (Rom. 6:6)
(4) The power of Satan (Acts 26:18)
(5) The body of this death (Rom. 7:24)
(6) The lusts of the flesh (Eph. 2:3)
(7) The lust of the eyes (1Jn. 2:15-17)
(8) The pride of life (1Jn. 2:15-17)
(9) The works of the flesh (Gal. 5:19)
(10) The world (1Jn. 2:15-17; Jas. 4:4)
(11) Vile affections (Rom. 1:26,29)
(12) The lusts of the mind (Eph. 2:3)
(13) The lusts of sin (Rom. 6:11-12)
(14) The motions of sins (Rom. 7:5)
(15) The law of sin and death (Rom. 7:7 -- Rom. 8:2)
(16) The carnal mind (Rom. 8:1-13)
(17) The god of this world (2Cor. 4:4)
(18) Spiritual wickedness in high places ... rulers of darkness (Eph. 6:12)
(19) The lusts of your father (Jn. 8:44)
(20) Sin that dwelleth in me (Rom. 7:17)
(21) The course of this world (Eph. 2:2)
(22) The body of the sins of the flesh (Col. 2:11; Gal. 5:24; Rom. 8)

2. Outward sin or transgression of the law (1Jn. 3:4; Rom. 4:15; Jas. 1:13-15). The outward acts are listed in Mk. 7:19-21; Rom. 1:18-32; 2Cor. 6:9-11; Gal. 5:19-21; Col. 3:5-10)

Both outward and inward sin must pass away or one cannot claim to be in Christ. The theory that only outward transgressions are forgiven and one is still under control of the old man (the devil) is one of the most erroneous doctrines in Christendom (2Cor. 5:17-18; Eph. 4:24; 1Jn. 5:18; Rom. 6:6-23; 8:1-13). See notes, 1Th. 4:3; 2Th. 2:13.
Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 5".

Hi Billy,

What about Dake and Paul - did they agree with each other?

Well Billy,

If you agree that Dake and Paul taught the same thing, THAT: "The spirit, nature, and power of sin the old man, which is nothing more nor less than the spirit, nature, and power of the devil working in men of disobedience" PASSED away at the new birth...

then why did you say that teaching is heresy?

Bibleman
Are you a closet OSAS? Sounds like it you are beating Billy saying that the sin nature of man once that man is saved is dead therefore he won't sin. So once Saved the sin nature is dead therefore you are always saved. Maybe you are more OSSDAS Once Saved Sin is Dead so you are Always Saved. Neat so now I can tear out Hebrews 6 and 10 and most of James from my Bible. Thanks if I stick with you long enough all I will have left and is "are you not gods"

Well Ed my friend,

On this subject I think you have blown any possible validity to your argument that you might have had, when you declared Jesus to have a sin nature.

That being your belief (as warped as it is) then a discussion with you on the subject seems futile!

I really think you should return to the altar of prayer and speak with the one you have insulted - Jesus.

[Justaned]

Well Ed my friend,

On this subject I think you have blown any possible validity to your argument that you might have had, when you declared Jesus to have a sin nature.

That being your belief (as warped as it is) then a discussion with you on the subject seems futile!

I really think you should return to the altar of prayer and speak with the one you have insulted - Jesus.

Bibleman


OKAY I won't call it a sin nature (the ability to sin). I'll call it as the church fathers did.
See if this soothes your sensibilities better.

The best theologians, past and present, have been divided on the question of whether Jesus could have sinned. I believe that since Jesus was fully human, it was possible for him to sin. Obviously, the divine nature cannot sin. But if Christ’s divine nature prevented him from sinning, in what sense did he obey the law of God as the second Adam? At his birth, Jesus’ human nature was exactly the same as Adam’s before the fall, with respect to his moral capabilities. Jesus had what Augustine called the posse peccare and the posse non peccare, that is, the ability to sin and the ability not to sin. Adam sinned; Jesus did not. Satan did everything in his power to corrupt Jesus and tempt him to sin. That would have been an exercise in futility had he been trying to tempt a divine person to sin. Satan was not trying to get God to sin. He was trying to get the human nature of Christ to sin, so that he would not be qualified to be the Savior.

citation on quote left off until I see if it is acceptable to Bibleman or not. If not who said it would be meaningless.

You can say I'm wrong, but I think it is wrong to believe that Christ’s divine nature made it impossible for his human nature to sin. If that were the case, the temptation, the tests, and his assuming of the responsibility of the first Adam would have all been charades.
What is the result? It was the human nature uniquely anointed beyond measure by the Holy Spirit.

And I still think Bibleman is a closet OSAS

[cpbeller]

Ed, nobody has said that Jesus COULD NOT SIN, or WAS NOT TEMPTED. If you are going to fight, then fight something that someone actually said. And because He had the human nature, does not mean he had a sin nature. IF Jesus would have sinned, then, He would have had a sin nature, AT THAT POINT. But, He did not sin. Even your qoute agrees with what I have been telling you, namely: "At his birth, Jesus’ human nature was exactly the same as Adam’s before the fall, with respect to his moral capabilities."

Adam became warped, corrupted with the sin nature AT THE FALL, when he CHOSE TO SIN. Temptation was laid before Jesus to sin...He CHOSE NOT TO SIN, and because of His choice to NOT SIN, He did not become warped, corrupted with the sin nature. Again, your qoute agrees with me: "Satan did everything in his power to corrupt Jesus and tempt him to sin."

If Jesus would have sinned, He would have become FALLEN, just like Adam had. Again, your qoute agrees with me: "He (Satan) was trying to get the human nature of Christ to sin, so that he would not be qualified to be the Savior"

This is why I really do not believe you even really read what anyone says. You just assume we are all wrong, and you go from there. I have said over and over again, I agree with you...Jesus could have sinned. He was tempted. Where we disagree is your definition of what the Sin Nature is. You say it is "human nature". I say, you are wrong. God created Adam with a "human nature", but without a "sin nature". Jesus had a "human nature", also...but He too, was without a "sin nature". Adam chose to sin, and doing so caused the fall, and caused Man to be warped, corrupted by sin, thus taking on a sinful nature...the Sin Nature. Jesus had no earthly father, his Father was God. Because of that, the sinful nature, passed from father to child (not mother to child, Genesis 3 tells us that He would be born of the seed of the woman, not the seed of the man). The Father did not have that sin nature to pass onto His Son, Jesus. Therefore, Jesus was the SECOND ADAM. But where the FIRST ADAM failed, fell, and was corrupted...Jesus did not, but overcame that corruption.

[Justaned]

Ed, nobody has said that Jesus COULD NOT SIN, or WAS NOT TEMPTED. If you are going to fight, then fight something that someone actually said. And because He had the human nature, does not mean he had a sin nature. IF Jesus would have sinned, then, He would have had a sin nature, AT THAT POINT. But, He did not sin. Even your qoute agrees with what I have been telling you, namely: "At his birth, Jesus’ human nature was exactly the same as Adam’s before the fall, with respect to his moral capabilities."

Adam became warped, corrupted with the sin nature AT THE FALL, when he CHOSE TO SIN. Temptation was laid before Jesus to sin...He CHOSE NOT TO SIN, and because of His choice to NOT SIN, He did not become warped, corrupted with the sin nature. Again, your qoute agrees with me: "Satan did everything in his power to corrupt Jesus and tempt him to sin."

If Jesus would have sinned, He would have become FALLEN, just like Adam had. Again, your qoute agrees with me: "He (Satan) was trying to get the human nature of Christ to sin, so that he would not be qualified to be the Savior"

This is why I really do not believe you even really read what anyone says. You just assume we are all wrong, and you go from there. I have said over and over again, I agree with you...Jesus could have sinned. He was tempted. Where we disagree is your definition of what the Sin Nature is. You say it is "human nature". I say, you are wrong. God created Adam with a "human nature", but without a "sin nature". Jesus had a "human nature", also...but He too, was without a "sin nature". Adam chose to sin, and doing so caused the fall, and caused Man to be warped, corrupted by sin, thus taking on a sinful nature...the Sin Nature. Jesus had no earthly father, his Father was God. Because of that, the sinful nature, passed from father to child (not mother to child, Genesis 3 tells us that He would be born of the seed of the woman, not the seed of the man). The Father did not have that sin nature to pass onto His Son, Jesus. Therefore, Jesus was the SECOND ADAM. But where the FIRST ADAM failed, fell, and was corrupted...Jesus did not, but overcame that corruption.

Chris does my quote satisfy your sensibilities? If so we are good if not, so be it.

[cpbeller]

as far as I can tell, yes...although, I do not know what these two terms are: "posse peccare" and the "posse non peccare"

If you get "sin nature" from those two terms, then I diagree with that. My hang up has not been with Christ being tempted, or the ability of Christ to sin...but the usage of the term "sin nature" to define that ability to sin.

[Justaned]

Comment removed served no useful purpose. I would have deleted this post but that violates Bibleman's sensibilities.