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[Justaned]

I was going to get mad at Ed for the stuff he said, But I am not falling for it this time, but Ed may God bless you and your own. Now lets get back on subject Ed. Oh and cpbeller, Ed may believe that Jesus had a sin nature, because according to him we are not crucified with Christ we still have a sin nature. I am dead in Christ so I guess that makes me part of the "undead" "For he that is dead is freed from sin", wait that sounds kind of Goth how about "Now if we be dead with Christ" wait that's sounds Goth, how about reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin ? Wait that sounds Goth as well. Well Ed lets just say I am dead to the sin nature, the sin nature died with Jesus, I am a Christian zombie lol . Yes I just said that a "zombie", we Christians are dead in Christ , crucified with Him, just like Paul said that a dead person is freed from sin. Ed I am not sure I like you defeatist White knuckle, no authority over the devil form of Christianity you are trying to pitch here. I can have all of that in the word. When I was an unbeliever I had your version of Christianity. What victory is there in Christ, Because it seem according to you there isn't any. Man I hope you are not preaching this stuff to others. Of course there is always that hot dog stand, sorry that was the bad rocky, just joking Ed. So Ed how do we not have a sin nature? Because we are dead, we have to die, we are crucified with Christ, His death was my death, his resurrection is my resurrection

Rocky I'm glad you didn't get mad I said what I said to prove forces external to God do influence you and that only I was not criticizing nor being mean spirited. That said, first of all Christ isn't dead so I don't think being dead with Christ is a good thing. And if you are dead to the sin nature then you one upped Paul because Paul said. Romans 7:18-25 (NKJV)
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.
22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
25 I thank God--through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
You boys need to start reading scripture instead of reading everyone's opinion on things you obviously haven't read in scripture.

[Justaned]

now wait Chris Brother Copeland and Dad Hagin both say Jesus WAS TEMPTED.

Hi Billy,

Yes Billy, Jesus was tempted, BUT Ed says that Jesus had a "sin nature" in order to be tempted, as Chris has pointed out!

Do you agree with Ed on this as well?

If Jesus did not have the human propensity to sin (which is known as sin nature) how would He be tempted? How would Satan's attempts to tempt Jesus appeal to Him? Answer that I would like to hear you explain how to tempt someone with something that does not appeal to them.

[Justaned]

Ed: "I wasn't attacking Rocky I was simply pointing out he has allowed dress to become a master in his life."

Actually, it sounds more like Rocky's dress has become your master, since you can't seem to leave it alone, and feel the need to bring it up in the oddest of times...

Ed: "Jesus never sinned if he could not sin then the temptation would be useless would it not?"

What? Who knows what you are saying in this sentence...it makes zero sense...

For temptation to be real it must appeal to us. If it holds no appeal then it is not temptation. The thing inside of us that finds sin appealing is our sin nature a propensity to sin. If Satan tempted Jesus it had to be appealing to Jesus, since it would have been sin had Jesus gave in then Jesus had to have a propensity for sin, a sin nature.

The fact is Jesus was tempted but Jesus never entertained those temptations, and in total obedience to God rejected what appealed to Him and instead rebuked Satan.

By saying Jesus had a sin nature I'm saying Jesus was born with the ability to be tempted as man but Jesus showed us that the temptation to sin could be resisted and that He as man never sinned.

[Rocky]

I was going to get mad at Ed for the stuff he said, But I am not falling for it this time, but Ed may God bless you and your own. Now lets get back on subject Ed. Oh and cpbeller, Ed may believe that Jesus had a sin nature, because according to him we are not crucified with Christ we still have a sin nature. I am dead in Christ so I guess that makes me part of the "undead" "For he that is dead is freed from sin", wait that sounds kind of Goth how about "Now if we be dead with Christ" wait that's sounds Goth, how about reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin ? Wait that sounds Goth as well. Well Ed lets just say I am dead to the sin nature, the sin nature died with Jesus, I am a Christian zombie lol . Yes I just said that a "zombie", we Christians are dead in Christ , crucified with Him, just like Paul said that a dead person is freed from sin. Ed I am not sure I like you defeatist White knuckle, no authority over the devil form of Christianity you are trying to pitch here. I can have all of that in the word. When I was an unbeliever I had your version of Christianity. What victory is there in Christ, Because it seem according to you there isn't any. Man I hope you are not preaching this stuff to others. Of course there is always that hot dog stand, sorry that was the bad rocky, just joking Ed. So Ed how do we not have a sin nature? Because we are dead, we have to die, we are crucified with Christ, His death was my death, his resurrection is my resurrection

Rocky I'm glad you didn't get mad I said what I said to prove forces external to God do influence you and that only I was not criticizing nor being mean spirited. That said, first of all Christ isn't dead so I don't think being dead with Christ is a good thing. And if you are dead to the sin nature then you one upped Paul because Paul said. Romans 7:18-25 (NKJV)
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.
22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
25 I thank God--through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
You boys need to start reading scripture instead of reading everyone's opinion on things you obviously haven't read in scripture.

Ed wrote: first of all Christ isn't dead so I don't think being dead with Christ is a good thing

what I quoted about being dead in Christ is biblical. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him oh and Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin and Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ Ed I never said Jesus was still dead. But we died with Him at the cross, praise God we were crucified with Him, we died to sin and to the law and to the devil having authority over us and the satanic sin nature, and through His resurrection we were justified and can live in a newness of life, Oh that is bible as well(Getting those glory bumps lol). May be thats why you still have a sin nature, read my signature, may be you have not done this, may be you are not able to let is go and kill it. Ed you must die to self. Once again you ignore plain scripture to prove your point. and as far as Romans 7 that you are misusing see http://dakebibleboard.com/viewtopic.php ... 9&start=80 for my reply to you on there. Now of course I do agree with Finis Dake and this, and I know you do not like a lot of his teachings but he is right about this .

[Justaned]

I was going to get mad at Ed for the stuff he said, But I am not falling for it this time, but Ed may God bless you and your own. Now lets get back on subject Ed. Oh and cpbeller, Ed may believe that Jesus had a sin nature, because according to him we are not crucified with Christ we still have a sin nature. I am dead in Christ so I guess that makes me part of the "undead" "For he that is dead is freed from sin", wait that sounds kind of Goth how about "Now if we be dead with Christ" wait that's sounds Goth, how about reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin ? Wait that sounds Goth as well. Well Ed lets just say I am dead to the sin nature, the sin nature died with Jesus, I am a Christian zombie lol . Yes I just said that a "zombie", we Christians are dead in Christ , crucified with Him, just like Paul said that a dead person is freed from sin. Ed I am not sure I like you defeatist White knuckle, no authority over the devil form of Christianity you are trying to pitch here. I can have all of that in the word. When I was an unbeliever I had your version of Christianity. What victory is there in Christ, Because it seem according to you there isn't any. Man I hope you are not preaching this stuff to others. Of course there is always that hot dog stand, sorry that was the bad rocky, just joking Ed. So Ed how do we not have a sin nature? Because we are dead, we have to die, we are crucified with Christ, His death was my death, his resurrection is my resurrection

Rocky I'm glad you didn't get mad I said what I said to prove forces external to God do influence you and that only I was not criticizing nor being mean spirited. That said, first of all Christ isn't dead so I don't think being dead with Christ is a good thing. And if you are dead to the sin nature then you one upped Paul because Paul said. Romans 7:18-25 (NKJV)
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.
22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
25 I thank God--through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
You boys need to start reading scripture instead of reading everyone's opinion on things you obviously haven't read in scripture.

Ed wrote: first of all Christ isn't dead so I don't think being dead with Christ is a good thing

what I quoted about being dead in Christ is biblical. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him oh and Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin and Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ Ed I never said Jesus was still dead. But we died with Him at the cross, praise God we were crucified with Him, we died to sin and to the law and to the devil having authority over us and the satanic sin nature, and through His resurrection we were justified and can live in a newness of life, Oh that is bible as well(Getting those glory bumps lol). May be thats why you still have a sin nature, read my signature, may be you have not done this, may be you are not able to let is go and kill it. Ed you must die to self. Once again you ignore plain scripture to prove your point. and as far as Romans 7 that you are misusing see http://dakebibleboard.com/viewtopic.php ... 9&start=80 for my reply to you on there. Now of course I do agree with Finis Dake and this, and I know you do not like a lot of his teachings but he is right about this .

Rocky well at least your was not dead. Whew!

I'm also glad to hear you can't be tempted since the area of our being our propensity for sin (otherwise known as a sin nature) is dead in you. I unfortunately can still be tempted. I still need Jesus as my intercessor. But I'm glad to hear you beyond all of that. Praise God!

[Rocky]

Ed wrote:Rocky well at least your was not dead. Whew!

I'm also glad to hear you can't be tempted since the area of our being our propensity for sin (otherwise known as a sin nature) is dead in you. I unfortunately can still be tempted. I still need Jesus as my intercessor. But I'm glad to hear you beyond all of that. Praise God!

Never said that the devil never tempts me. But I guess by your logic we were never crucified with Christ. Because he have that sin nature. So Ed did Jesus have a sin nature as you say or proclivities to yield to the sin? Do you agree with Dakes teaching about the sin nature? And again you did not read what I wrote did you.

[Justaned]

Ed wrote:Rocky well at least your was not dead. Whew!

I'm also glad to hear you can't be tempted since the area of our being our propensity for sin (otherwise known as a sin nature) is dead in you. I unfortunately can still be tempted. I still need Jesus as my intercessor. But I'm glad to hear you beyond all of that. Praise God!

Never said that the devil never tempts me. But I guess by your logic we were never crucified with Christ. Because he have that sin nature. So Ed did Jesus have a sin nature as you say or proclivities to yield to the sin? Do you agree with Dakes teaching about the sin nature? And again you did not read what I wrote did you.

I did read it. What did I miss? Or what did I say that makes you think I didn't read it?

Rocky you agree you can be tempted? Right What do you call the part of you that allows temptation to entice you? I not talking about sinning, I'm talking strictly about the part of human nature that allows temptation to tempt us.

I never said I was beyond temptation. I didn't mean Satan doesn't tempt me I'm saying we have to crucify the thing in us that make temptation attractive to us so we don't sin. Dake to my understanding really doesn't address man's sin nature but instead talks of old man. The part of our being that bound to the law that was set free or killed by Jesus death on the cross for all those that are in Christ.

Tell me what you think Dake says about sin nature because I'm not aware of him talking about it. I don't deny he did I just saying I don't recall him talking about it.

[bibleman]

Ed wrote:Rocky well at least your was not dead. Whew!

I'm also glad to hear you can't be tempted since the area of our being our propensity for sin (otherwise known as a sin nature) is dead in you. I unfortunately can still be tempted. I still need Jesus as my intercessor. But I'm glad to hear you beyond all of that. Praise God!

Never said that the devil never tempts me. But I guess by your logic we were never crucified with Christ. Because he have that sin nature. So Ed did Jesus have a sin nature as you say or proclivities to yield to the sin? Do you agree with Dakes teaching about the sin nature? And again you did not read what I wrote did you.

I did read it. What did I miss? Or what did I say that makes you think I didn't read it?

Rocky you agree you can be tempted? Right What do you call the part of you that allows temptation to entice you? I not talking about sinning, I'm talking strictly about the part of human nature that allows temptation to tempt us.

I never said I was beyond temptation. I didn't mean Satan doesn't tempt me I'm saying we have to crucify the thing in us that make temptation attractive to us so we don't sin. Dake to my understanding really doesn't address man's sin nature but instead talks of old man. The part of our being that bound to the law that was set free or killed by Jesus death on the cross for all those that are in Christ.

Tell me what you think Dake says about sin nature because I'm not aware of him talking about it. I don't deny he did I just saying I don't recall him talking about it.

Dake taught on his tape "God's Plan for Man Series: Sin, Sanctification, New Birth, Eternal Life, 4802, side 2" that the sin nature is nothing more or less (in his words) than the old man or the spirit of the devil working in the hearts of men.

[branham1965]

Pastor
you once posted something on God knowing everything and it just ...it helped me .i saw it.this is very helpful to0.thank you.it clarifies it much much better.

Ed wrote:Rocky well at least your was not dead. Whew!

I'm also glad to hear you can't be tempted since the area of our being our propensity for sin (otherwise known as a sin nature) is dead in you. I unfortunately can still be tempted. I still need Jesus as my intercessor. But I'm glad to hear you beyond all of that. Praise God!

Never said that the devil never tempts me. But I guess by your logic we were never crucified with Christ. Because he have that sin nature. So Ed did Jesus have a sin nature as you say or proclivities to yield to the sin? Do you agree with Dakes teaching about the sin nature? And again you did not read what I wrote did you.

I did read it. What did I miss? Or what did I say that makes you think I didn't read it?

Rocky you agree you can be tempted? Right What do you call the part of you that allows temptation to entice you? I not talking about sinning, I'm talking strictly about the part of human nature that allows temptation to tempt us.

I never said I was beyond temptation. I didn't mean Satan doesn't tempt me I'm saying we have to crucify the thing in us that make temptation attractive to us so we don't sin. Dake to my understanding really doesn't address man's sin nature but instead talks of old man. The part of our being that bound to the law that was set free or killed by Jesus death on the cross for all those that are in Christ.

Tell me what you think Dake says about sin nature because I'm not aware of him talking about it. I don't deny he did I just saying I don't recall him talking about it.

Dake taught on his tape "God's Plan for Man Series: Sin, Sanctification, New Birth, Eternal Life, 4802, side 2" that the sin nature is nothing more or less (in his words) than the old man or the spirit of the devil working in the hearts of men.

[Justaned]

Thanks Billy glad to see I'm making sense to someone

Pastor
you once posted something on God knowing everything and it just ...it helped me .i saw it.this is very helpful to0.thank you.it clarifies it much much better.

Ed wrote:Rocky well at least your was not dead. Whew!

I'm also glad to hear you can't be tempted since the area of our being our propensity for sin (otherwise known as a sin nature) is dead in you. I unfortunately can still be tempted. I still need Jesus as my intercessor. But I'm glad to hear you beyond all of that. Praise God!

Never said that the devil never tempts me. But I guess by your logic we were never crucified with Christ. Because he have that sin nature. So Ed did Jesus have a sin nature as you say or proclivities to yield to the sin? Do you agree with Dakes teaching about the sin nature? And again you did not read what I wrote did you.

I did read it. What did I miss? Or what did I say that makes you think I didn't read it?

Rocky you agree you can be tempted? Right What do you call the part of you that allows temptation to entice you? I not talking about sinning, I'm talking strictly about the part of human nature that allows temptation to tempt us.

I never said I was beyond temptation. I didn't mean Satan doesn't tempt me I'm saying we have to crucify the thing in us that make temptation attractive to us so we don't sin. Dake to my understanding really doesn't address man's sin nature but instead talks of old man. The part of our being that bound to the law that was set free or killed by Jesus death on the cross for all those that are in Christ.

Tell me what you think Dake says about sin nature because I'm not aware of him talking about it. I don't deny he did I just saying I don't recall him talking about it.

Dake taught on his tape "God's Plan for Man Series: Sin, Sanctification, New Birth, Eternal Life, 4802, side 2" that the sin nature is nothing more or less (in his words) than the old man or the spirit of the devil working in the hearts of men.