Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Finis Dake's View of Spirtual Warfare

[Justaned]

Oh an no for me the desires are not there. I traded masters. Yes Satan will temp, But I don't want what he is offering

Reminds me of something DL Moody once said. A woman came to him and said, "You don't believe in going to the theater, do you?" He responded, "I go to the theater anytime I want to." She said, "Really?" and he said, "Yes. I go to the theater anytime I want to. I just don't want to."

That is crucifying the flesh. Having to resist going to the theater is fighting our sin nature.

[cpbeller]

Read it again Bibleman that is not what Dake said.
Do you still have lust of the flesh, lust of the eye and pride of life to deal with? Yes you do that that is our sin nature.

Ed the sin nature as described in the bible is this
Now the works of the flesh(sin nature) are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies ,Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
A Christian does not have a sin nature if the Christian did, he or she would not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Also, lets look at lust of flesh, lust of the eye and pride of life. Christians of course are tempted by these things at times but this is not part of our "new nature", meaning it is not in them, because we are crucified with Christ .
we died to the sin nature and not that it is dormant but it is crucified, mortified. We traded masters so to speak.
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
This is in the world and of the world, not in the Christian or of the Christian. Yes we are tempted at times, but that does not mean we still have a "sin nature" The sin nature and sin is the spirit nature of the devil. Not a adamic nature or anything, bit it is essentially the nature of Satan himself. This is what Dake taught as well.

The verse you cited said the WORKS of the flesh. Fleshly desires that will allow man to do those things. We have those fleshly desires or do you deny you can not be tempted? If you can be tempted it is not you spiritual man that is tempted but your fleshly man. The one that carries those lusts. If those lust become works then you are in sin and as even Dake said if you sin willfully you aren't a Christian. Simple as that.

Question to think about. If man didn't have a sin nature why do we need Jesus as our intercessor?

Because the Christian can miss the mark at times. Ok, what are you calling the sin nature? Because Dake taught that the sin nature is essentially the nature of Satan himself. So are you saying you still have the nature of Satan?
So I guess you believe this is not crucified but dormant. How can you be dead to something but still have it?

Ed wrote: We have those fleshly desires or do you deny you can not be tempted?

No, for me the desires are not there. I traded masters. Yes Satan will temp, But I don't want what he is offering

Rocky
What is Satan's nature and what scripture are you using to reach that opinion? Our sin nature is our propensity to sin. How can Satan tempt if the desire is not there? There would be nothing to tempt. Rocky you are not being honest with yourself, you serve a master that demands a certain dress for example. I'm sure if I knew you better I could tell you other masters you serve.

Ed, Jesus was tempted, so according to you, He had a sin nature, or else He could not have been tempted at all.

And seriously? You are, once again going to attack Rocky for how he dresses...again?

[Justaned]

Read it again Bibleman that is not what Dake said.
Do you still have lust of the flesh, lust of the eye and pride of life to deal with? Yes you do that that is our sin nature.

Ed the sin nature as described in the bible is this
Now the works of the flesh(sin nature) are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies ,Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
A Christian does not have a sin nature if the Christian did, he or she would not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Also, lets look at lust of flesh, lust of the eye and pride of life. Christians of course are tempted by these things at times but this is not part of our "new nature", meaning it is not in them, because we are crucified with Christ .
we died to the sin nature and not that it is dormant but it is crucified, mortified. We traded masters so to speak.
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
This is in the world and of the world, not in the Christian or of the Christian. Yes we are tempted at times, but that does not mean we still have a "sin nature" The sin nature and sin is the spirit nature of the devil. Not a adamic nature or anything, bit it is essentially the nature of Satan himself. This is what Dake taught as well.

The verse you cited said the WORKS of the flesh. Fleshly desires that will allow man to do those things. We have those fleshly desires or do you deny you can not be tempted? If you can be tempted it is not you spiritual man that is tempted but your fleshly man. The one that carries those lusts. If those lust become works then you are in sin and as even Dake said if you sin willfully you aren't a Christian. Simple as that.

Question to think about. If man didn't have a sin nature why do we need Jesus as our intercessor?

Because the Christian can miss the mark at times. Ok, what are you calling the sin nature? Because Dake taught that the sin nature is essentially the nature of Satan himself. So are you saying you still have the nature of Satan?
So I guess you believe this is not crucified but dormant. How can you be dead to something but still have it?

Ed wrote: We have those fleshly desires or do you deny you can not be tempted?

No, for me the desires are not there. I traded masters. Yes Satan will temp, But I don't want what he is offering

Rocky
What is Satan's nature and what scripture are you using to reach that opinion? Our sin nature is our propensity to sin. How can Satan tempt if the desire is not there? There would be nothing to tempt. Rocky you are not being honest with yourself, you serve a master that demands a certain dress for example. I'm sure if I knew you better I could tell you other masters you serve.

Ed, Jesus was tempted, so according to you, He had a sin nature, or else He could not have been tempted at all.

And seriously? You are, once again going to attack Rocky for how he dresses...again?

I wasn't attacking Rocky I was simply pointing out he has allowed dress to become a master in his life.
Jesus never sinned if he could not sin then the temptation would be useless would it not?

[Rocky]

Read it again Bibleman that is not what Dake said.
Do you still have lust of the flesh, lust of the eye and pride of life to deal with? Yes you do that that is our sin nature.

Ed the sin nature as described in the bible is this
Now the works of the flesh(sin nature) are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies ,Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
A Christian does not have a sin nature if the Christian did, he or she would not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Also, lets look at lust of flesh, lust of the eye and pride of life. Christians of course are tempted by these things at times but this is not part of our "new nature", meaning it is not in them, because we are crucified with Christ .
we died to the sin nature and not that it is dormant but it is crucified, mortified. We traded masters so to speak.
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
This is in the world and of the world, not in the Christian or of the Christian. Yes we are tempted at times, but that does not mean we still have a "sin nature" The sin nature and sin is the spirit nature of the devil. Not a adamic nature or anything, bit it is essentially the nature of Satan himself. This is what Dake taught as well.

The verse you cited said the WORKS of the flesh. Fleshly desires that will allow man to do those things. We have those fleshly desires or do you deny you can not be tempted? If you can be tempted it is not you spiritual man that is tempted but your fleshly man. The one that carries those lusts. If those lust become works then you are in sin and as even Dake said if you sin willfully you aren't a Christian. Simple as that.

Question to think about. If man didn't have a sin nature why do we need Jesus as our intercessor?

Because the Christian can miss the mark at times. Ok, what are you calling the sin nature? Because Dake taught that the sin nature is essentially the nature of Satan himself. So are you saying you still have the nature of Satan?
So I guess you believe this is not crucified but dormant. How can you be dead to something but still have it?

Ed wrote: We have those fleshly desires or do you deny you can not be tempted?

No, for me the desires are not there. I traded masters. Yes Satan will temp, But I don't want what he is offering

Rocky
What is Satan's nature and what scripture are you using to reach that opinion? Our sin nature is our propensity to sin. How can Satan tempt if the desire is not there? There would be nothing to tempt. Rocky you are not being honest with yourself, you serve a master that demands a certain dress for example. I'm sure if I knew you better I could tell you other masters you serve.

Ed, Jesus was tempted, so according to you, He had a sin nature, or else He could not have been tempted at all.

And seriously? You are, once again going to attack Rocky for how he dresses...again?

I wasn't attacking Rocky I was simply pointing out he has allowed dress to become a master in his life.
Jesus never sinned if he could not sin then the temptation would be useless would it not?

I was going to get mad at Ed for the stuff he said, But I am not falling for it this time, but Ed may God bless you and your own. Now lets get back on subject Ed. Oh and cpbeller, Ed may believe that Jesus had a sin nature, because according to him we are not crucified with Christ we still have a sin nature. I am dead in Christ so I guess that makes me part of the "undead" "For he that is dead is freed from sin", wait that sounds kind of Goth how about "Now if we be dead with Christ" wait that's sounds Goth, how about reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin ? Wait that sounds Goth as well. Well Ed lets just say I am dead to the sin nature, the sin nature died with Jesus, I am a Christian zombie lol . Yes I just said that a "zombie", we Christians are dead in Christ , crucified with Him, just like Paul said that a dead person is freed from sin. Ed I am not sure I like you defeatist White knuckle, no authority over the devil form of Christianity you are trying to pitch here. I can have all of that in the word. When I was an unbeliever I had your version of Christianity. What victory is there in Christ, Because it seem according to you there isn't any. Man I hope you are not preaching this stuff to others. Of course there is always that hot dog stand, sorry that was the bad rocky, just joking Ed. So Ed how do we not have a sin nature? Because we are dead, we have to die, we are crucified with Christ, His death was my death, his resurrection is my resurrection

[cpbeller]

Ed: "I wasn't attacking Rocky I was simply pointing out he has allowed dress to become a master in his life."

Actually, it sounds more like Rocky's dress has become your master, since you can't seem to leave it alone, and feel the need to bring it up in the oddest of times...

Ed: "Jesus never sinned if he could not sin then the temptation would be useless would it not?"

What? Who knows what you are saying in this sentence...it makes zero sense...

[macca]

[branham1965]

now wait Chris Brother Copeland and Dad Hagin both say Jesus WAS TEMPTED.

Read it again Bibleman that is not what Dake said.
Do you still have lust of the flesh, lust of the eye and pride of life to deal with? Yes you do that that is our sin nature.

Ed the sin nature as described in the bible is this
Now the works of the flesh(sin nature) are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies ,Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
A Christian does not have a sin nature if the Christian did, he or she would not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Also, lets look at lust of flesh, lust of the eye and pride of life. Christians of course are tempted by these things at times but this is not part of our "new nature", meaning it is not in them, because we are crucified with Christ .
we died to the sin nature and not that it is dormant but it is crucified, mortified. We traded masters so to speak.
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
This is in the world and of the world, not in the Christian or of the Christian. Yes we are tempted at times, but that does not mean we still have a "sin nature" The sin nature and sin is the spirit nature of the devil. Not a adamic nature or anything, bit it is essentially the nature of Satan himself. This is what Dake taught as well.

The verse you cited said the WORKS of the flesh. Fleshly desires that will allow man to do those things. We have those fleshly desires or do you deny you can not be tempted? If you can be tempted it is not you spiritual man that is tempted but your fleshly man. The one that carries those lusts. If those lust become works then you are in sin and as even Dake said if you sin willfully you aren't a Christian. Simple as that.

Question to think about. If man didn't have a sin nature why do we need Jesus as our intercessor?

Because the Christian can miss the mark at times. Ok, what are you calling the sin nature? Because Dake taught that the sin nature is essentially the nature of Satan himself. So are you saying you still have the nature of Satan?
So I guess you believe this is not crucified but dormant. How can you be dead to something but still have it?

Ed wrote: We have those fleshly desires or do you deny you can not be tempted?

No, for me the desires are not there. I traded masters. Yes Satan will temp, But I don't want what he is offering

Rocky
What is Satan's nature and what scripture are you using to reach that opinion? Our sin nature is our propensity to sin. How can Satan tempt if the desire is not there? There would be nothing to tempt. Rocky you are not being honest with yourself, you serve a master that demands a certain dress for example. I'm sure if I knew you better I could tell you other masters you serve.

Ed, Jesus was tempted, so according to you, He had a sin nature, or else He could not have been tempted at all.

And seriously? You are, once again going to attack Rocky for how he dresses...again?

[victoryword]

Ed: "Jesus never sinned if he could not sin then the temptation would be useless would it not?"

What? Who knows what you are saying in this sentence...it makes zero sense...

I needed that laugh this morning. Perhaps Ed can give an interpretation to his "tongues"

[cpbeller]

I know, and I agree, and the Bible says He was tempted. But according to Ed, Jesus had a "sin nature" because it is impossible to be tempted withou a sin nature.

So...what is it? I don't believe He had a sin nature. Ed, based off of his previous statement, does.

[bibleman]

now wait Chris Brother Copeland and Dad Hagin both say Jesus WAS TEMPTED.

Hi Billy,

Yes Billy, Jesus was tempted, BUT Ed says that Jesus had a "sin nature" in order to be tempted, as Chris has pointed out!

Do you agree with Ed on this as well?