Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ The eternal sonship heresy!

[patrissimo]

You all are forcing me to do my homework...which is a good thing! Here is what St. Ignatius of Antioch said in ca. 105 AD.

"Jesus Christ was with the Father before the ages, and in the end, He was revealed."

Here is an early martyr who probably knew St. John the Evangelist personally. Where did he get this?

So Jesus was born before He was born? Very baroque concept.

Yes. A very Christian concept - always was. We believe in two Nativities: One according to Divinity and one according to humanity.

[patrissimo]

"By this hath the charity of God appeared towards us, because God hath sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we may live by him." - I Jn. 4:9

[Hill Top]

You all are forcing me to do my homework...which is a good thing! Here is what St. Ignatius of Antioch said in ca. 105 AD.

"Jesus Christ was with the Father before the ages, and in the end, He was revealed."

Here is an early martyr who probably knew St. John the Evangelist personally. Where did he get this?

God couldn't be a Father before Jesus was conceived.
I'ld be more interested in whether or not Ignatius preached that man can live without sinning.

[Hill Top]

You all are forcing me to do my homework...which is a good thing! Here is what St. Ignatius of Antioch said in ca. 105 AD.

"Jesus Christ was with the Father before the ages, and in the end, He was revealed."

Here is an early martyr who probably knew St. John the Evangelist personally. Where did he get this?

So Jesus was born before He was born? Very baroque concept.

Yes. A very Christian concept - always was. We believe in two Nativities: One according to Divinity and one according to humanity.

Mind telling us who is "we"?

[luchnia]

You all are forcing me to do my homework...which is a good thing! Here is what St. Ignatius of Antioch said in ca. 105 AD.

"Jesus Christ was with the Father before the ages, and in the end, He was revealed."

Here is an early martyr who probably knew St. John the Evangelist personally. Where did he get this?

So Jesus was born before He was born? Very baroque concept.

Yes. A very Christian concept - always was. We believe in two Nativities: One according to Divinity and one according to humanity.

The challenge is that it is not a Christian concept, but another doctrine of deceit. It never ceases to amaze how many false doctrines are out there these days. Just when one thinks they have seen them all another one like this pops up.

Wisdom would clean the slate of all falsehoods such as "Two Nativities" that get in the way of God's word and stay in God's word alone for His truth that brings understanding from above.

[patrissimo]

You all are forcing me to do my homework...which is a good thing! Here is what St. Ignatius of Antioch said in ca. 105 AD.

"Jesus Christ was with the Father before the ages, and in the end, He was revealed."

Here is an early martyr who probably knew St. John the Evangelist personally. Where did he get this?

So Jesus was born before He was born? Very baroque concept.

Yes. A very Christian concept - always was. We believe in two Nativities: One according to Divinity and one according to humanity.

Mind telling us who is "we"?

I meant we who hold to the more orthodox position.

[bibleman]

You all are forcing me to do my homework...which is a good thing! Here is what St. Ignatius of Antioch said in ca. 105 AD.

"Jesus Christ was with the Father before the ages, and in the end, He was revealed."

Here is an early martyr who probably knew St. John the Evangelist personally. Where did he get this?

So Jesus was born before He was born? Very baroque concept.

Yes. A very Christian concept - always was. We believe in two Nativities: One according to Divinity and one according to humanity.

Mind telling us who is "we"?

I meant we who hold to the more orthodox position.

I interpret the "we" as people who are from places we are not!"

It is an "unknowable" we.

[Hill Top]

You all are forcing me to do my homework...which is a good thing! Here is what St. Ignatius of Antioch said in ca. 105 AD.

"Jesus Christ was with the Father before the ages, and in the end, He was revealed."

Here is an early martyr who probably knew St. John the Evangelist personally. Where did he get this?

So Jesus was born before He was born? Very baroque concept.

Yes. A very Christian concept - always was. We believe in two Nativities: One according to Divinity and one according to humanity.

Mind telling us who is "we"?

I meant we who hold to the more orthodox position.

Whose orthodoxy?

[Hill Top]

You all are forcing me to do my homework...which is a good thing! Here is what St. Ignatius of Antioch said in ca. 105 AD.

"Jesus Christ was with the Father before the ages, and in the end, He was revealed."

Here is an early martyr who probably knew St. John the Evangelist personally. Where did he get this?

So Jesus was born before He was born? Very baroque concept.

Yes. A very Christian concept - always was. We believe in two Nativities: One according to Divinity and one according to humanity.

Mind telling us who is "we"?

I meant we who hold to the more orthodox position.

I interpret the "we" as people who are from places we are not!"

It is an "unknowable" we.

You should have stuck with the context.
I was trying to figure out who believes in two nativities/births of Christ.
I feel one time was sufficient.

[bibleman]

You all are forcing me to do my homework...which is a good thing! Here is what St. Ignatius of Antioch said in ca. 105 AD.

"Jesus Christ was with the Father before the ages, and in the end, He was revealed."

Here is an early martyr who probably knew St. John the Evangelist personally. Where did he get this?

So Jesus was born before He was born? Very baroque concept.

Yes. A very Christian concept - always was. We believe in two Nativities: One according to Divinity and one according to humanity.

Mind telling us who is "we"?

I meant we who hold to the more orthodox position.

I interpret the "we" as people who are from places we are not!"

It is an "unknowable" we.

You should have stuck with the context.
I was trying to figure out who believes in two nativities/births of Christ.
I feel one time was sufficient.

I was just trying to torment patrissimo a little bit using the same kind of goofy language that he uses in his responses.

I guess I should have made that clear.