Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ The Book Of Enoch

[branham1965]

ED

I WAS NOT FOR THE 50 MILLIONTH TIME USING ANY JEHOVAH'S WITNESS REFERENCE AT ALL.
YOU GUYS ARE BEING WAY TOO CONDESCENDING TO ME.LIKE IM 12.
I KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS SUBJECT THAN EVERYBODY COMBINED HERE!!!!THATS BEING BOASTFUL BUT PUTTING MYSELF DOWN DOES NO GOOD .SO ITS TIME I SAID EXACTLY WHAT I FEEL.
IM SAYING THAT TO GET YOU TO LISTEN!!!! AND BECAUSE ITS TRUE.
I SAID THE ANGEL OF THE LORD THE CAPTAIN OF THE LORD'S HOST IN THE OT EUSEBIUS SAYS WAS THE PRE INCARNATE JESUS CHRIST.SOME COMMENTATORS-EITHER MATTHEW HENRY OR ADAM CLARK HAVE INFERRED THAT MICHAEL MAY BE THIS VERY PERSON.ITS NOT CLEAR.
SO WHATS THE PROBLEM????
PEOPLE WITHOUT ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE ARE FREAKING OUT BECAUSE THEY ARE THINKING IN THEIR MINDS "WHY GOD CANT BE AN ANGEL". WHICH IS COMPLETELY FALSE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
REVEREND DAKE PROVES THAT IN MY REFERENCES TO THE DAKE BIBLE POSTED ABOVE AND IN IRONMAN'S POST.
IM NOT A BABY .....IM A MAN.

Wait Billy made a connection between Jesus and Michael.

Scripture only references Michael by name
Daniel 10:13 (NKJV)
13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia.

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Daniel 10:21 (NKJV)
21 But I will tell you what is noted in the Scripture of Truth. (No one upholds me against these, except Michael your prince.

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Daniel 12:1 (NKJV)
1 "At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.

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Jude 1:9 (NKJV)
9 Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

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Revelation 12:7 (NKJV)
7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought,

In each of these there is no confusion that it is talking of an angel rather than a Christophany.

Only the Jehovah Witness suggest that Christ is Michael are one in the same. Billy can say what he wants but I believe the connection he made was related to his experience to the Jehovah Witness rather than by scripture or anything Dake said. That is why I commented as I did.

[Justaned]

Billy
Here is your quote.

i think the Holy Scriptures 39 books Old Testament ;27 Books New Testament- name only One who is called ARCHANGEL . MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL.HE IS THE ANGEL OF THE LORD IN THE OLD TESTAMENT (called Christophanies by theologians )THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD....OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL means HE WHO IS LIKE GOD. compare Is.7:14;Matthew 1:23. Some commentators say this is the Lord Jesus.

I'm not sure what you meant. But you said "Michael the archangel. He is the angel of the Lord in the Old Testamet (called Christophanies by theologians. " However that is not exactly right when scripture identifies the visitor as an angel and particularily if angel is named such as Michael that to the best of my knowledge is never called a Christophany. Where the person is called the Lord such as the Lord met Abraham under the tree many theologians call that a Christophany. The only connection I have ever heard between Christ and Michael the Archangel is by the Jehovah Witnesses.
Now if you have read where some commentator has said that where scripture says an angel appeared and the commentator said it was Christophany I would have to say I have never seen this and if I did I would disagree with the commentator.
I was not treating you as a child and I see no reason for you to asset that in your response.

ED

I WAS NOT FOR THE 50 MILLIONTH TIME USING ANY JEHOVAH'S WITNESS REFERENCE AT ALL.
YOU GUYS ARE BEING WAY TOO CONDESCENDING TO ME.LIKE IM 12.
I KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS SUBJECT THAN EVERYBODY COMBINED HERE!!!!THATS BEING BOASTFUL BUT PUTTING MYSELF DOWN DOES NO GOOD .SO ITS TIME I SAID EXACTLY WHAT I FEEL.
IM SAYING THAT TO GET YOU TO LISTEN!!!! AND BECAUSE ITS TRUE.
I SAID THE ANGEL OF THE LORD THE CAPTAIN OF THE LORD'S HOST IN THE OT EUSEBIUS SAYS WAS THE PRE INCARNATE JESUS CHRIST.SOME COMMENTATORS-EITHER MATTHEW HENRY OR ADAM CLARK HAVE INFERRED THAT MICHAEL MAY BE THIS VERY PERSON.ITS NOT CLEAR.
SO WHATS THE PROBLEM????
PEOPLE WITHOUT ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE ARE FREAKING OUT BECAUSE THEY ARE THINKING IN THEIR MINDS "WHY GOD CANT BE AN ANGEL". WHICH IS COMPLETELY FALSE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
REVEREND DAKE PROVES THAT IN MY REFERENCES TO THE DAKE BIBLE POSTED ABOVE AND IN IRONMAN'S POST.
IM NOT A BABY .....IM A MAN.

Wait Billy made a connection between Jesus and Michael.

Scripture only references Michael by name
Daniel 10:13 (NKJV)
13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia.

- - - - -

Daniel 10:21 (NKJV)
21 But I will tell you what is noted in the Scripture of Truth. (No one upholds me against these, except Michael your prince.

- - - - -

Daniel 12:1 (NKJV)
1 "At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.

- - - - -

Jude 1:9 (NKJV)
9 Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

- - - - -

Revelation 12:7 (NKJV)
7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought,

In each of these there is no confusion that it is talking of an angel rather than a Christophany.

Only the Jehovah Witness suggest that Christ is Michael are one in the same. Billy can say what he wants but I believe the connection he made was related to his experience to the Jehovah Witness rather than by scripture or anything Dake said. That is why I commented as I did.

[Watchman2013]

Branham1965,

Justaned is correct. The Archangel Michael is one of the angelic generals in the Host of The Lord's Angelic Armies. He, Michael, is subordinate, along with all other creations/creatures, to God The Father, God The Son, and God The Holy Spirit. To put Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, equal to anything, or anybody, that He, The Holy Spirit, or The Father God created, is totally wrong. Mormons make the same heretical error, saying that Lucifer is the "brother" of The Son of Glory, Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Herein do the Mormon's and Jehovah' Witnesses reveal themselves as Anti-God, and as cults. To believe as they do, is to reject The Word of God, and to embrace the lies of Satan.

You have some serious thinking, and much prayer ahead of you, if you are to be restored to God... Remember, Billy, that Our God is a jealous God, who accepts no one outside of His Son, and His Spirit, as His equals...

Seek The Lord while He may yet be found... He's mocked and diminished by the Mormon's and the Jehovah' Witnesses- not worshipped and glorified, in Spirit and Truth...

In your heart and spirit, you know this to be true, for The Holy Spirit of Almighty God bears witness of this, and testifies of Jesus... Deny not, The Holy Spirit, nor The Word of God... To do so, is to deny The Son of God, and The Father which sent Him...

Leave ALL that does not glorify God...

Your choice, Billy. Make it the right one, and leave the Jehovah Witnesses to their leader, Satan, and seek God with all your heart, soul, will, and strength... If you do not, the consequences are eternal...

Maranatha

Watchman2013

[branham1965]

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!!!!
READ MY LIPS..... I HAVE NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING TO DO WITH JEHOVAHS WITNESSES!!!!!QUIT SAYING THAT.IF YOU ARE TRYING TO UPSET ME YOU ARE!!!!
I WAS SIMPLY SAYING THAT MANY GODLY COMMENTATORS (INCLUDING EUSEBIUS)THOUGHT THE ANGEL OF THE LORD WAS THE THE PRE -INCARNATE CHRIST.AS THE ANGEL OF THE LORD THE CAPTAIN OF THE LORD'S HOSTS.THESE ARE CHRISTOPHANIES .BUT WHEN ONE SAYS MICHAEL PEOPLE FLIP AND START TALKING ABOUT JDUBS???? REVEREND DAKE GAVE APPEARANCES OF GOD WHEN HE CAME AS A ..............AN ANGEL!!!!!!
READ ZECH 3.THE ANGEL OF THE LORD THERE WHO REBUKES SATAN SAYING THE LORD REBUKE YOU...CERTAINLY THE LORD ( YAWEH ) DOES NOT NEED TO REBUKE SATAN INVOKING HIS OWN NAME!!!!!!!
JUDE 9 MICHAEL SAYS THE LORD REBUKE YOU.MICHAEL IS THE HIGHEST CHIEF ANGEL.
1 THESS.4:16 FOR THE LORD HIMSELF -JESUS WILL DESCEND FROM HEAVEN WITH A SHOUT
WITH THE VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL AND THE TRUMPET OF GOD .
READ SCOFIELDS NOTES ON HEBREWS 1.

Branham1965,

Justaned is correct. The Archangel Michael is one of the angelic generals in the Host of The Lord's Angelic Armies. He, Michael, is subordinate, along with all other creations/creatures, to God The Father, God The Son, and God The Holy Spirit. To put Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, equal to anything, or anybody, that He, The Holy Spirit, or The Father God created, is totally wrong. Mormons make the same heretical error, saying that Lucifer is the "brother" of The Son of Glory, Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Herein do the Mormon's and Jehovah' Witnesses reveal themselves as Anti-God, and as cults. To believe as they do, is to reject The Word of God, and to embrace the lies of Satan.

You have some serious thinking, and much prayer ahead of you, if you are to be restored to God... Remember, Billy, that Our God is a jealous God, who accepts no one outside of His Son, and His Spirit, as His equals...

Seek The Lord while He may yet be found... He's mocked and diminished by the Mormon's and the Jehovah' Witnesses- not worshipped and glorified, in Spirit and Truth...

In your heart and spirit, you know this to be true, for The Holy Spirit of Almighty God bears witness of this, and testifies of Jesus... Deny not, The Holy Spirit, nor The Word of God... To do so, is to deny The Son of God, and The Father which sent Him...

Leave ALL that does not glorify God...

Your choice, Billy. Make it the right one, and leave the Jehovah Witnesses to their leader, Satan, and seek God with all your heart, soul, will, and strength... If you do not, the consequences are eternal...

Maranatha

Watchman2013

[macca]

awe, Billy, you fell for their trap.
You should be a wake up to watch-ed by now

macca