Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Strange signs!

[Justaned]

You have the right to be wrong.

And I am not sure if you do express your disagreement with what Brother Hagin decided to do because he saw it as coming from the Lord but if you do please listen to this: If you show me more salvations, healings, sound books written by/accomplished through your ministry rather than Brother Hagin's I may consider your opinion of his ministry to be worth serious consideration. Perhaps you want to be a cadet talking about a field marshal's actions but if that is the case - grow up first.

So you think sticking ones tongue out, making faces and ... preaches Jesus and Him crucified, buried and resurrected? And that brings people to Jesus?

if it's from the Spirit it draws people to the Messiah - the Anointed One, as it is His Anointing then. It's very very VERY dangerous to criticise the present-day work of the Spirit. You seem to be either close to that or already in that pit. Please stay away from the spirit of the anti-Christ - spirit of the anti-Anointed One. He is an Angel of Light and those who attack the move of God often believe they do what God wants them to do.

Your statement tells the story it starts with the word "if"

How do we decide that if. Do we not hold it to scripture and to the gift of discernment of the Holy Spirit?

I find nothing in scripture that supports this behavior, nothing suggests the Holy Spirit forces people to go outside their will. Nothing that suggests this will be a sign.

In fact just the opposite all of scripture shows us God seeks our love and obedience that he never forces us. So to me there is no "if'" and the discernment I have from the Holy Spirit confirms it. In this case I believe it is the result of flesh.

Please don't so worry about my salvation that you fail to work out your own salvation

[bibleman]

You have the right to be wrong.

And I am not sure if you do express your disagreement with what Brother Hagin decided to do because he saw it as coming from the Lord but if you do please listen to this: If you show me more salvations, healings, sound books written by/accomplished through your ministry rather than Brother Hagin's I may consider your opinion of his ministry to be worth serious consideration. Perhaps you want to be a cadet talking about a field marshal's actions but if that is the case - grow up first.

So you think sticking ones tongue out, making faces and ... preaches Jesus and Him crucified, buried and resurrected? And that brings people to Jesus?

if it's from the Spirit it draws people to the Messiah - the Anointed One, as it is His Anointing then. It's very very VERY dangerous to criticise the present-day work of the Spirit. You seem to be either close to that or already in that pit. Please stay away from the spirit of the anti-Christ - spirit of the anti-Anointed One. He is an Angel of Light and those who attack the move of God often believe they do what God wants them to do.

Your statement tells the story it starts with the word "if"

How do we decide that if. Do we not hold it to scripture and to the gift of discernment of the Holy Spirit?

I find nothing in scripture that supports this behavior, nothing suggests the Holy Spirit forces people to go outside their will. Nothing that suggests this will be a sign.

In fact just the opposite all of scripture shows us God seeks our love and obedience that he never forces us. So to me there is no "if'" and the discernment I have from the Holy Spirit confirms it. In this case I believe it is the result of flesh.

Please don't so worry about my salvation that you fail to work out your own salvation

Hi Ed,

Strange you say: "nothing suggests the Holy Spirit forces people to go outside their will."

When you talk about people being saved, you say that a truly born again person will NOT be lost... even if they commit adultery, get drunk and and beat their children. You tell us regardless of the fact that they no longer want to serve God and go to Heaven... that AGAINST their will that have to stay saved.

Strange beliefs you have there.

[Justaned]

Hi Ed,

Strange you say: "nothing suggests the Holy Spirit forces people to go outside their will."

When you talk about people being saved, you say that a truly born again person will NOT be lost... even if they commit adultery, get drunk and and beat their children. You tell us regardless of the fact that they no longer want to serve God and go to Heaven... that AGAINST their will that have to stay saved.

Strange beliefs you have there.

I never said or suggestted any of that. To suggest I did is a bold face lie.
What I said was no truly saved person would ever commit adultery, get drunk and and beat their children.

Now if you have people in your church that commit adultery, get drunk and and beat their children perhaps you need to stop sticking your tongue out them and start preaching Jesus and Him crucified, died and resurrected to them.

[bibleman]

Hi Ed,

Strange you say: "nothing suggests the Holy Spirit forces people to go outside their will."

When you talk about people being saved, you say that a truly born again person will NOT be lost... even if they commit adultery, get drunk and and beat their children. You tell us regardless of the fact that they no longer want to serve God and go to Heaven... that AGAINST their will that have to stay saved.

Strange beliefs you have there.

I never said or suggestted any of that. To suggest I did is a bold face lie.
What I said was no truly saved person would ever commit adultery, get drunk and and beat their children.

Now if you have people in your church that commit adultery, get drunk and and beat their children perhaps you need to stop sticking your tongue out them and start preaching Jesus and Him crucified, died and resurrected to them.

The evidence of people BACKSLIDING from God and then "commit adultery, get drunk and and beat their children" is very real.

That fact that you deny it only shows that your Calvinist theology mindset.

[Justaned]

Hi Ed,

Strange you say: "nothing suggests the Holy Spirit forces people to go outside their will."

When you talk about people being saved, you say that a truly born again person will NOT be lost... even if they commit adultery, get drunk and and beat their children. You tell us regardless of the fact that they no longer want to serve God and go to Heaven... that AGAINST their will that have to stay saved.

Strange beliefs you have there.

I never said or suggestted any of that. To suggest I did is a bold face lie.
What I said was no truly saved person would ever commit adultery, get drunk and and beat their children.

Now if you have people in your church that commit adultery, get drunk and and beat their children perhaps you need to stop sticking your tongue out them and start preaching Jesus and Him crucified, died and resurrected to them.

The evidence of people BACKSLIDING from God and then "commit adultery, get drunk and and beat their children" is very real.

That fact that you deny it only shows that your Calvinist theology mindset.

What evidence? What proof do you offer that shows they were ever saved?
Their confession? Do you believe a person that claims to be saved then commits adultery and gets drunk and beats their children?

[Justaned]

Show me the evidence!

[Watchman2013]

You have the right to be wrong.

And I am not sure if you do express your disagreement with what Brother Hagin decided to do because he saw it as coming from the Lord but if you do please listen to this: If you show me more salvations, healings, sound books written by/accomplished through your ministry rather than Brother Hagin's I may consider your opinion of his ministry to be worth serious consideration. Perhaps you want to be a cadet talking about a field marshal's actions but if that is the case - grow up first.

Frad70,

Only God, and those already in Heaven, knows who, how many, and by whom, Believers have been led to The Lord.

PERIOD.

Whether something is of The Lord, or not, is borne witness by The Spirit of God, and The Word of God.

PERIOD.

Just because someone likes a particular member of a ministry, a writer, or other personage, does not connote authenticity to that individual. They, and their actions MUST be judged by The Spirit of God, and The Word of God.

PERIOD.

Reverend Hagin may be experiencing a Rodney Howard Brown "Holy Laughter" type flashback, but what he did was NOT of God. God is ALWAYS dignified, IS Holy, and does not create confusion amongst His Own... What Reverend Hagin did, was to bring doubt, derision, and calumny, upon, and within, The Body of Christ... He, Hagin, did nothing to further the Cause of Christ, nor did he Glorify God. That day, Satan gained "good" press, showing some Christians to be no better than easily led buffoons, entertained by a man supposedly known as a great teacher and spiritual warrior...

God Is Not Mocked! We are to be Holy, as He Is Holy! Acting as Hagin did, removes the seriousness of God's reaching out to the lost, for it is not His Will, or Desire, that ANY should perish! Do YOU, Frad70, not think that God is unaware of the internet, or YouTube? Do you not think He, God, KNOWS what goes forth, In His Name?

Test EVERYONE, EVERYTHING, by The Spirit of God, and The Word of God- ALWAYS, in ALL THINGS!!!

Perhaps you're unaware, that since The Ascension of Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, we, and our predecessors as Believers in Christ Jesus, have been involved in an unending war to the death? Why else would we be "issued" the Whole Armor of God? Or be given orders and training as how we are to operate in a perpetually hostile environment?

LIFE IS NOT A GAME, Frad70. People die, daily, for the Cause of Christ. Shame upon those who make a mockery of the Works of Christ, especially those called to serve in His Name, who do not hold themselves to the standards He set forth. Hagin had best confess, repent, and ask The Lord's Forgiveness, for if not, another his bishopric shall take. Remember Oral Roberts? He tried to blackmail God... God was not mocked...

Being a Servant of God means having responsibilities that define actions, for one does not "just" minister unto God, as the High Priests of old, but as His Representative, with whatever skills, talents, and gifts that God has equipped His Servant. Whom He Calls, He so equips. God is His Word. NEVER take it, or Him, lightly, or without respect!!!

Those that know Hagin, by The Holy Spirit, and by The Word of God, should reprove, rebuke, and correct him. To do less, is cowardly, and does not reflect well upon The Cause of Christ, or upon God, The Father, The Son, or The Holy Spirit. Such incorrect behavior, exemplifies the Apostasy and Age of Lawlessness that The Church has entered... Do not be deceived for even the very elect ARE being deceived...

Take heed, of what God is saying to His People, Frad70... "Be ye Holy, as I Am Holy..."

Maranatha

Watchman2013

[bibleman]

Hi Ed,

Strange you say: "nothing suggests the Holy Spirit forces people to go outside their will."

When you talk about people being saved, you say that a truly born again person will NOT be lost... even if they commit adultery, get drunk and and beat their children. You tell us regardless of the fact that they no longer want to serve God and go to Heaven... that AGAINST their will that have to stay saved.

Strange beliefs you have there.

I never said or suggestted any of that. To suggest I did is a bold face lie.
What I said was no truly saved person would ever commit adultery, get drunk and and beat their children.

Now if you have people in your church that commit adultery, get drunk and and beat their children perhaps you need to stop sticking your tongue out them and start preaching Jesus and Him crucified, died and resurrected to them.

The evidence of people BACKSLIDING from God and then "commit adultery, get drunk and and beat their children" is very real.

That fact that you deny it only shows that your Calvinist theology mindset.

What evidence? What proof do you offer that shows they were ever saved?
Their confession? Do you believe a person that claims to be saved then commits adultery and gets drunk and beats their children?

Hi Ed,

Evidence of salvation? Their confession is what the Bible says shows their salvation. Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

People who get saved do backslide and commit adultery, get drunk and beat their children! I have seen it a number of times over the years. Judas was saved and did worse than that when he backslid on God!

[Watchman2013]

Hello, Bibleman,

Was Judas saved? Do not The Scriptures not say that "Satan entered into him?" So, is Justaned automatically wrong for his answer? No. The caveats are in God's purview...

Maranatha

Watchman2013

[Justaned]

Hi Ed,

Strange you say: "nothing suggests the Holy Spirit forces people to go outside their will."

When you talk about people being saved, you say that a truly born again person will NOT be lost... even if they commit adultery, get drunk and and beat their children. You tell us regardless of the fact that they no longer want to serve God and go to Heaven... that AGAINST their will that have to stay saved.

Strange beliefs you have there.

I never said or suggestted any of that. To suggest I did is a bold face lie.
What I said was no truly saved person would ever commit adultery, get drunk and and beat their children.

Now if you have people in your church that commit adultery, get drunk and and beat their children perhaps you need to stop sticking your tongue out them and start preaching Jesus and Him crucified, died and resurrected to them.

The evidence of people BACKSLIDING from God and then "commit adultery, get drunk and and beat their children" is very real.

That fact that you deny it only shows that your Calvinist theology mindset.

What evidence? What proof do you offer that shows they were ever saved?
Their confession? Do you believe a person that claims to be saved then commits adultery and gets drunk and beats their children?

Hi Ed,

Evidence of salvation? Their confession is what the Bible says shows their salvation. Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

People who get saved do backslide and commit adultery, get drunk and beat their children! I have seen it a number of times over the years. Judas was saved and did worse than that when he backslid on God!

Bibleman
So you are saying that man that is an adulterer a drunk and beater of children is to be believed when he says he is saved?

Can you explain how the Holy Spirit indwells in a person that is an adulterer, a drunk and beater of children? If the we are the temple of the Holy Spirit aren't we required to be Holy?

As far as Judas do you really believe the Holy Spirit was in Judas when Satan entered him as spoken to by the word of God?

Can holiness of the Holy Spirit share the same house with sin?

A person is either saved and therefore the living temple of the Holy Spirit accoding to scripture or he isn't.