Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ KEEP REPENTING OR ETERNAL SECURITY?

[bibleman]

I'm just following your reasoning.
If fear is a sin, as you posit, then Jesus was a sinner.

Either that or fear is not a sin.
The sin would be in the actions taken because of, or in spite of the fear.

Of course Jesus never was scared as you said you were. Do you have a verse that states that?

[Hill Top]

I'm just following your reasoning.
If fear is a sin, as you posit, then Jesus was a sinner.

Either that or fear is not a sin.
The sin would be in the actions taken because of, or in spite of the fear.

Of course Jesus never was scared as you said you were. Do you have a verse that states that?

Yes, Heb 5:7..."Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;"

[bibleman]

I'm just following your reasoning.
If fear is a sin, as you posit, then Jesus was a sinner.

Either that or fear is not a sin.
The sin would be in the actions taken because of, or in spite of the fear.

Of course Jesus never was scared as you said you were. Do you have a verse that states that?

Yes, Heb 5:7..."Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;"

The word feared has to do with reverence not scared as you said you were

Got another verse?

[Hill Top]

I'm just following your reasoning.
If fear is a sin, as you posit, then Jesus was a sinner.

Either that or fear is not a sin.
The sin would be in the actions taken because of, or in spite of the fear.

Of course Jesus never was scared as you said you were. Do you have a verse that states that?

Yes, Heb 5:7..."Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;"

The word feared has to do with reverence not scared as you said you were
Got another verse?

"Crying and tears" because of reverence?
Not buying it.

[bibleman]

I'm just following your reasoning.
If fear is a sin, as you posit, then Jesus was a sinner.

Either that or fear is not a sin.
The sin would be in the actions taken because of, or in spite of the fear.

Of course Jesus never was scared as you said you were. Do you have a verse that states that?

Yes, Heb 5:7..."Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;"

The word feared has to do with reverence not scared as you said you were
Got another verse?

"Crying and tears" because of reverence?
Not buying it.

You really think Jesus was scared like you are?

Not buying it.

Jesus said he could have called 10,000 angels. And yet you think he was Scared?

[luchnia]

I would think fear of torture and death.
He handled it by being obedient to His Father, with faith that all would work out for the good.
If bibleman and dolph want to use a "fear is sin" course of reasoning, then they must also be accusing Jesus of sin...and quite erroneously.
Sometimes fear is a good thing.
The fear of God leads to eternal life.

Why would Jesus fear physical death or the one who causes it since He never feared the enemy? Don't you realize that in a millisecond of time He could have stopped those that tortured and murdered Him dead in their tracks with hordes of messengers from God? Fear of the evil one or his minions is never a good thing.

[luchnia]

Yes, Heb 5:7..."Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;"

The word feared has to do with reverence not scared as you said you were
Got another verse?
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"Crying and tears" because of reverence?
Not buying it.
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BTW, why not put that verse in context, especially with verses 1-6? Taking verses out of context continues to cause most of the erroneous doctrinal issues. Take a good hard look at the context of the chapter and see what it means? What was Jesus praying for and since He was heard what was the outcome of the answer to the prayers and supplications that He offered up?

[Hill Top]

I'm just following your reasoning.
If fear is a sin, as you posit, then Jesus was a sinner.

Either that or fear is not a sin.
The sin would be in the actions taken because of, or in spite of the fear.

Of course Jesus never was scared as you said you were. Do you have a verse that states that?

Yes, Heb 5:7..."Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;"

The word feared has to do with reverence not scared as you said you were
Got another verse?

"Crying and tears" because of reverence?
Not buying it.

You really think Jesus was scared like you are?
Not buying it.
Jesus said he could have called 10,000 angels. And yet you think he was Scared?

He was a man, subject to all that we are subject to.
"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities..." (Heb 4:15)

[Hill Top]

I would think fear of torture and death.
He handled it by being obedient to His Father, with faith that all would work out for the good.
If bibleman and dolph want to use a "fear is sin" course of reasoning, then they must also be accusing Jesus of sin...and quite erroneously.
Sometimes fear is a good thing.
The fear of God leads to eternal life.

Why would Jesus fear physical death or the one who causes it

Because He was in a man's body and subject to "man's" emotions and reactions.

since He never feared the enemy?

Scripture, please.

Don't you realize that in a millisecond of time He could have stopped those that tortured and murdered Him dead in their tracks with hordes of messengers from God? Fear of the evil one or his minions is never a good thing.

But He didn't, even with the fear of torture and death on the horizon.
He maintained His "humanity" till the end.
If He could not be touched by fear, hunger, thirst, love, joy, tiredness, loneliness, betrayal, and a dozen more attributes of humanity, how could He represent us in our moments of fear, hunger, thirst, etc?
He was one of us...and still He never committed sin.
Our perfect example.

[Hill Top]

Yes, Heb 5:7..."Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;"

The word feared has to do with reverence not scared as you said you were
Got another verse?

"Crying and tears" because of reverence?
Not buying it.
[/quote]
BTW, why not put that verse in context, especially with verses 1-6? Taking verses out of context continues to cause most of the erroneous doctrinal issues. Take a good hard look at the context of the chapter and see what it means? What was Jesus praying for and since He was heard what was the outcome of the answer to the prayers and supplications that He offered up?[/quote]
Which context?
That He was in the flesh and suffered every emotion we suffer?
That His obedience manifested His perfection, and that He became the author of eternal salvation...to those that obey Him?
Or something else?