Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Finis Dake on Positive Confession

[bibleman]

Bibleman you have never answered a question posed by my me, that I can recall.
I just started to play your own game. Now you love to answer questions you pose but that is not the same things now is it.

No it is not.

What question do you have Ed?

None that I want to waste my time trying to get you answer since we have ran around that maypole more than once.

Well Ed,

If you were not so resistant to the Word of God you might could be helped!

Help to what? I already know who my Savior is, I know my name is in the Lamb's Book of Life. So what is it you can help we with that the Holy Spirit is unable to?

Well Ed,

How do you know who your Savior is? After all your Saviour according to you is a lost as ever still retaining His sin nature!

Your name in the Lamb's Book of Life? Well once again how can you trust a God who may NOT keep His Word? Seems as if with your doubt and disbelief in a covenant keeping God you might not have a basis for assurance!

[Justaned]

Bibleman you have never answered a question posed by my me, that I can recall.
I just started to play your own game. Now you love to answer questions you pose but that is not the same things now is it.

No it is not.

What question do you have Ed?

None that I want to waste my time trying to get you answer since we have ran around that maypole more than once.

Well Ed,

If you were not so resistant to the Word of God you might could be helped!

Help to what? I already know who my Savior is, I know my name is in the Lamb's Book of Life. So what is it you can help we with that the Holy Spirit is unable to?

Well Ed,

How do you know who your Savior is? After all your Saviour according to you is a lost as ever still retaining His sin nature!

Your name in the Lamb's Book of Life? Well once again how can you trust a God who may NOT keep His Word? Seems as if with your doubt and disbelief in a covenant keeping God you might not have a basis for assurance!

All your statements are so worded to raise doubt in God in rebuttal to mine yet none of mine raise doubt in God. Why is that? Why do you feel you must respond to my statements with statements of doubt when the statements I made were all positive and showed total faith and trust in God? Why do you think that is?

You say you have faith yet all you say is what you believe God must do. Instead of statements about what God has said He will do. Why do you feel it necessary to use the adjective Must and Has to when talking of God, instead of allowing God's love convince you that because of His love for you he will do these things?

Sounds like you want to understand like a lawyer would, or perhaps a pharisee rather than a child of loving heavenly Father. Let me see did Jesus ever mention that might be a problem? Yeah I think He might of. What do you think?

[bibleman]

Bibleman you have never answered a question posed by my me, that I can recall.
I just started to play your own game. Now you love to answer questions you pose but that is not the same things now is it.

No it is not.

What question do you have Ed?

None that I want to waste my time trying to get you answer since we have ran around that maypole more than once.

Well Ed,

If you were not so resistant to the Word of God you might could be helped!

Help to what? I already know who my Savior is, I know my name is in the Lamb's Book of Life. So what is it you can help we with that the Holy Spirit is unable to?

Well Ed,

How do you know who your Savior is? After all your Saviour according to you is a lost as ever still retaining His sin nature!

Your name in the Lamb's Book of Life? Well once again how can you trust a God who may NOT keep His Word? Seems as if with your doubt and disbelief in a covenant keeping God you might not have a basis for assurance!

All your statements are so worded to raise doubt in God in rebuttal to mine yet none of mine raise doubt in God. Why is that? Why do you feel you must respond to my statements with statements of doubt when the statements I made were all positive and showed total faith and trust in God? Why do you think that is?

You say you have faith yet all you say is what you believe God must do. Instead of statements about what God has said He will do. Why do you feel it necessary to use the adjective Must and Has to when talking of God, instead of allowing God's love convince you that because of His love for you he will do these things?

Sounds like you want to understand like a lawyer would, or perhaps a pharisee rather than a child of loving heavenly Father. Let me see did Jesus ever mention that might be a problem? Yeah I think He might of. What do you think?

Hi Ed,

Your statements raise extreme doubt of God when you don't believe God must keep His covenant. That to me is the height of doubt and disbelief.

I believe God WILL do and God MUST do. I believe so strongly in the integrity of God's Word that once he has said something then YES by all means He MUST do what He has said.

Understand like a lawyer? Well in some ways YES - after all we are taling about a "covenant" and promises made... So yes understanding like a legal document is completely appropriate.

The problem you face is you have a clue if God will keep His Word or not - according to what yu have said. For me that is a very sad life and a very POOR appraisal of God and His RIGHTEOUSNESS!

You see i believe this passage!

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

You have stated that God does NOT have to keep His Word of make it good.

What a shame to believe that way!

[cpbeller]

So...this TESTAMENT should never be viewed as a "legal document"?

Ed, why would God go to such lengths as to make a COVENANT, sealed and ratified in the BLOOD OF HIS SON, if it was not a legal document? It is a binding contract between God the Father and Jesus the Son. The Covenant IS a legal document, and that you continue to fight against that shows your absolute ignorance of what a covenant is.

And, once again, Ed, nobody is arguing that God DESIRES to fulfill His covenant, except you setting up stupid arguments that make no sense in light of what is being spoken. Each of us has said over and over again that God desires to and wills to fulfill his promises. What you continue to not understand (I personally think you know full well what we are saying, but you cannot bring yourself to admit that we are, indeed right, and you were wrong in your statement) is that God has bound Himself to the Covenant...and because of that point, He MUST keep that covenant.

You make the most idiotic statements in your quest to always be right, and to prove that us WoF'ers are always wrong, that you don't even seem to pay any attention to what it is you are typing...

[Justaned]

So...this TESTAMENT should never be viewed as a "legal document"?

Ed, why would God go to such lengths as to make a COVENANT, sealed and ratified in the BLOOD OF HIS SON, if it was not a legal document? It is a binding contract between God the Father and Jesus the Son. The Covenant IS a legal document, and that you continue to fight against that shows your absolute ignorance of what a covenant is.

And, once again, Ed, nobody is arguing that God DESIRES to fulfill His covenant, except you setting up stupid arguments that make no sense in light of what is being spoken. Each of us has said over and over again that God desires to and wills to fulfill his promises. What you continue to not understand (I personally think you know full well what we are saying, but you cannot bring yourself to admit that we are, indeed right, and you were wrong in your statement) is that God has bound Himself to the Covenant...and because of that point, He MUST keep that covenant.

You make the most idiotic statements in your quest to always be right, and to prove that us WoF'ers are always wrong, that you don't even seem to pay any attention to what it is you are typing...

Binding Contract YES! Legal? NO! Would we enforce it?

Stupid to you perhaps but what I'm saying paints a picture of God that does what He says out of love where you want to be able to hold God's feet to the fire. It fits with the mentality that God is at your beck and call.

Yes I know what you are saying you are saying you got God right where you think you can control Him. And I'm saying that is not only foolishness but shows a total lack of reverence for God.

My quest it not in being right but making sure the truth is shown and can be known by anyone that wants to learn it.

God is to be revered, respected and cherished in love.

If you earthly father promised you something, would you sit around telling him he has to do it. Or would you trust in him to do it out of love? Think that question over.

[macca]

Its up to the individual to enforce it with themselves Ed.
Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

macca

[Justaned]

Hi Ed,


The problem you face is you have a clue if God will keep His Word or not - according to what yu have said. For me that is a very sad life and a very POOR appraisal of God and His RIGHTEOUSNESS!

Actually I do have a clue whether God will keep His Word or not. I know He will because He wants to. You want to act as if there is some kind of cosmic judicial system that requires God to do things. And there is none.

If you view my life as sad and my view of God as a poor appraisal of God and His righteousness then you have no understanding of God or of HIs love for those that call Him ABBA father.

[Justaned]

Its up to the individual to enforce it with themselves Ed.
Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

macca

Yes Macca that is how we are to secure our salvation.

[macca]

Salvation is the covenant.

[bibleman]

Hi Ed,


The problem you face is you have a clue if God will keep His Word or not - according to what yu have said. For me that is a very sad life and a very POOR appraisal of God and His RIGHTEOUSNESS!

Actually I do have a clue whether God will keep His Word or not. I know He will because He wants to. You want to act as if there is some kind of cosmic judicial system that requires God to do things. And there is none.

If you view my life as sad and my view of God as a poor appraisal of God and His righteousness then you have no understanding of God or of HIs love for those that call Him ABBA father.

Hi Ed,

Above you said: "you have no understanding of God or of HIs love for those that call Him ABBA father."

In this statement you have attacked my mental intellect by saying that I have NO understanding.

"Marx and Engels never tried to refute their opponents with argument. They insulted, ridiculed, derided, slandered, and traduced them, and in the use of these methods their followers are not less expert. Their polemic is directed never against the argument of the opponent, but always against his person."

Do you think you owe me an apology?