Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Finis Dake on Positive Confession

[scottae316]

Hi Leon,

You said;

Does everyone agree with Dake? Does everyone agree with the Biblical text?

Now this is a "Bible" discussion board as you have told me several times in the past, why is it more important that everyone agrees with Dake, seeing that you put Dake first and the Bible second?

Scott, personally I have a difficult time understanding why Bibleman's question would appear as if he wants everyone to agree with Dake more than the Bible. I don't see that at all in his quote. Since people were having a debate over a specific doctrinal issue and both were using Scripture (one side erroneously) then there is nothing wrong with asking if anyone agrees with Finis Dake's perspective of this. After all this is a DAKE Bible discussion board.

Most of the people who come here claim to have utmost respect for Dake's teachings which is why they come here. Therefore, if one cannot reference Dake on a "Dake" discussion board without being accused of making what Dake says more authoritative than Scripture, then something is wrong.

V,

Obviously you did not read my response to Leon, if you had you would have never asked this. I was simply asking why Dake was put ahead of Scripture/Bible. This is not an isolated case, Leon does this most of the time. I have respect for Dake, but do not equate Dake and his theology with Scripture. I tend to let Scripture interpret Scripture, and while I certainly find study Bibles, commentaries, and other aids useful, they are only tools and not Scripture. This is not only a Dake Board, if you read the name it is a Bible Discussion board, A Board devoted to the study of God's Word in Honor of Finis J. Dake. Of course people would quote Dake, but Dake is not the same as the Bible, like any human, Dake's theology is not perfect, neither is mine, Leon's, Ed's or yours.

[macca]

Hi Leon,

You said;

Does everyone agree with Dake? Does everyone agree with the Biblical text?

Now this is a "Bible" discussion board as you have told me several times in the past, why is it more important that everyone agrees with Dake, seeing that you put Dake first and the Bible second?

Scott, personally I have a difficult time understanding why Bibleman's question would appear as if he wants everyone to agree with Dake more than the Bible. I don't see that at all in his quote. Since people were having a debate over a specific doctrinal issue and both were using Scripture (one side erroneously) then there is nothing wrong with asking if anyone agrees with Finis Dake's perspective of this. After all this is a DAKE Bible discussion board.

Most of the people who come here claim to have utmost respect for Dake's teachings which is why they come here. Therefore, if one cannot reference Dake on a "Dake" discussion board without being accused of making what Dake says more authoritative than Scripture, then something is wrong.

V,

Obviously you did not read my response to Leon, if you had you would have never asked this. I was simply asking why Dake was put ahead of Scripture/Bible. This is not an isolated case, Leon does this most of the time. I have respect for Dake, but do not equate Dake and his theology with Scripture. I tend to let Scripture interpret Scripture, and while I certainly find study Bibles, commentaries, and other aids useful, they are only tools and not Scripture. This is not only a Dake Board, if you read the name it is a Bible Discussion board, A Board devoted to the study of God's Word in Honor of Finis J. Dake. Of course people would quote Dake, but Dake is not the same as the Bible,(( like any human, Dake's theology is not perfect, neither is mine, Leon's, Ed's or yours.[/quote]))



So! we can not trust anyone to tell us the truth..
Tell me Scott, was paul's theology correct?

macca

[victoryword]

V,

Obviously you did not read my response to Leon, if you had you would have never asked this. I was simply asking why Dake was put ahead of Scripture/Bible. This is not an isolated case, Leon does this most of the time. I have respect for Dake, but do not equate Dake and his theology with Scripture. I tend to let Scripture interpret Scripture, and while I certainly find study Bibles, commentaries, and other aids useful, they are only tools and not Scripture. This is not only a Dake Board, if you read the name it is a Bible Discussion board, A Board devoted to the study of God's Word in Honor of Finis J. Dake. Of course people would quote Dake, but Dake is not the same as the Bible, like any human, Dake's theology is not perfect, neither is mine, Leon's, Ed's or yours.

Well beam me up Scottie

Maybe I have not been on this board as long as you, but I have known Bibleman for probably 10 years now though I have not always been an active particpant on this forum and not once have I gotten the impression that Bibleman places Dake on the same level or above Scripture. I have read books by Seventh Day Adventists and while not all of them do this, many of them equate her writings with the Bible itself (something she herself never did) and many of them refer to her as "The Spirit of Prophecy". Now that is something that makes me shudder and want to stay away from those kind of people. It is nearly cultish. But with many of them, Scripture must be interpretted through an "Ellen White" grid. Again, not all SDAs are like this but too many of them are and it makes me uneasy when reading some of their material.

I don't get that feeling of unease when I am around those who respect Dake. Finis Dake was fallible like the rest of us but since we have read his writings we can say that he, along with others, have had some influence on how we understand the Bible, at least portions of it. Like you, I personally am not afraid to speak out where I disagree with Dake, but if we are on a discussion forum that honors the man where most of us claim to love his writings, then it is reasonable when there are points of dispute on a forum that bears his name to point out what he believed about those points and to ask those who claim to respect his teachings if we agree with him on that point. The answer is a simple "yes" or "no".

Personally I find it interesting when Bibleman is able to show a person who claims to know what Dake taught and claims that others don't understand Dake to show them that they are the ones who are actually misunderstanding him. That I have seen Bibleman do time and again. It has never been to make Dake infallible but to show those who claim to have this love for Dake but this hatred for certain teachings to be shown that Dake taught fully what they themselves hate.

[Ironman]

"Well beam me up Scottie "

Any chance of that happening soon, ....... sister Scholastica ? What a turn out this turn out turned out to be?

[Rocky]

I don't know what your five year old might understand of your theology but I would make sure he was in church so he can be taught Christian Theology.

Nice little cheap shot there about my kid and what my kids are being taught there Ed. My kids are being taught the bible. So I would like it if you would keep anything about my kids out of you mouth thank you. And I don't think as others would agree that you are in no place to talk about ones theology. You resorted to a lot of things when discussing or debating with me, you always do this, this is a new low for you. What's next Ed want to discuss my appearance again? Now I like to debate and discuss, But I believe you need to learn how to because you act like a little kid when you are disagreed with.

Rocky

It was not a cheap shot it was one you handed me. However since you find it objectionable I will retract it. As far as your appearance (which you keep bringing up) you are the one that brought it up first and I offered my comments. I said when people dress for reaction they often get a reaction. Do you think people would react to a couple that shows up with the man always in tuxedo and the woman in a ball gown? So why the surprise, the disbelief, indignity?
I'm sorry if that offends you but truth is truth and fact is fact.


I don't have a problem discussing theology as long as you don't try to invalidate my position by suggesting even a 5 year old knows better. Or equating it with heresy, or one of the many other things you have said. If you want to discuss/debate produce evidence of your position. If I dismiss that evidence as something other than valid don't resort to insults or name calling as you have in the past.

I think we have discussed this subject as much as useful. You refuse to consider my point and I have researched your point and found it wanting. So what is left to say?

Well your comment was just out of line so I just thought I would call you out on it. But I am use to dealing with forum trolls. Just learn how to debate points, just saying. You just have a bad disposition on here you may not be like that in real life, but on here you kind of come across as a pompous individual. You get very contentious and combative when you are disagreed with. But at least you make this place interesting I will give you that.

[Justaned]

I don't know what your five year old might understand of your theology but I would make sure he was in church so he can be taught Christian Theology.

Nice little cheap shot there about my kid and what my kids are being taught there Ed. My kids are being taught the bible. So I would like it if you would keep anything about my kids out of you mouth thank you. And I don't think as others would agree that you are in no place to talk about ones theology. You resorted to a lot of things when discussing or debating with me, you always do this, this is a new low for you. What's next Ed want to discuss my appearance again? Now I like to debate and discuss, But I believe you need to learn how to because you act like a little kid when you are disagreed with.

Rocky

It was not a cheap shot it was one you handed me. However since you find it objectionable I will retract it. As far as your appearance (which you keep bringing up) you are the one that brought it up first and I offered my comments. I said when people dress for reaction they often get a reaction. Do you think people would react to a couple that shows up with the man always in tuxedo and the woman in a ball gown? So why the surprise, the disbelief, indignity?
I'm sorry if that offends you but truth is truth and fact is fact.


I don't have a problem discussing theology as long as you don't try to invalidate my position by suggesting even a 5 year old knows better. Or equating it with heresy, or one of the many other things you have said. If you want to discuss/debate produce evidence of your position. If I dismiss that evidence as something other than valid don't resort to insults or name calling as you have in the past.

I think we have discussed this subject as much as useful. You refuse to consider my point and I have researched your point and found it wanting. So what is left to say?

Well your comment was just out of line so I just thought I would call you out on it. But I am use to dealing with forum trolls. Just learn how to debate points, just saying. You just have a bad disposition on here you may not be like that in real life, but on here you kind of come across as a pompous individual. You get very contentious and combative when you are disagreed with. But at least you make this place interesting I will give you that.

Rocky
Have you ever considered that is exactly how I perceive you? But I have never equated your understanding to a 5 year old. You are this quote personified.

"Marx and Engels never tried to refute their opponents with argument. They insulted, ridiculed, derided, slandered, and traduced them, and in the use of these methods their followers are not less expert. Their polemic is directed never against the argument of the opponent, but always against his person."

[bibleman]

I don't know what your five year old might understand of your theology but I would make sure he was in church so he can be taught Christian Theology.

Nice little cheap shot there about my kid and what my kids are being taught there Ed. My kids are being taught the bible. So I would like it if you would keep anything about my kids out of you mouth thank you. And I don't think as others would agree that you are in no place to talk about ones theology. You resorted to a lot of things when discussing or debating with me, you always do this, this is a new low for you. What's next Ed want to discuss my appearance again? Now I like to debate and discuss, But I believe you need to learn how to because you act like a little kid when you are disagreed with.

Rocky

It was not a cheap shot it was one you handed me. However since you find it objectionable I will retract it. As far as your appearance (which you keep bringing up) you are the one that brought it up first and I offered my comments. I said when people dress for reaction they often get a reaction. Do you think people would react to a couple that shows up with the man always in tuxedo and the woman in a ball gown? So why the surprise, the disbelief, indignity?
I'm sorry if that offends you but truth is truth and fact is fact.


I don't have a problem discussing theology as long as you don't try to invalidate my position by suggesting even a 5 year old knows better. Or equating it with heresy, or one of the many other things you have said. If you want to discuss/debate produce evidence of your position. If I dismiss that evidence as something other than valid don't resort to insults or name calling as you have in the past.

I think we have discussed this subject as much as useful. You refuse to consider my point and I have researched your point and found it wanting. So what is left to say?

Well your comment was just out of line so I just thought I would call you out on it. But I am use to dealing with forum trolls. Just learn how to debate points, just saying. You just have a bad disposition on here you may not be like that in real life, but on here you kind of come across as a pompous individual. You get very contentious and combative when you are disagreed with. But at least you make this place interesting I will give you that.

Rocky
Have you ever considered that is exactly how I perceive you? But I have never equated your understanding to a 5 year old. You are this quote personified.

"Marx and Engels never tried to refute their opponents with argument. They insulted, ridiculed, derided, slandered, and traduced them, and in the use of these methods their followers are not less expert. Their polemic is directed never against the argument of the opponent, but always against his person."

Hi Ed,

Above you said: Have you ever considered that is exactly how I perceive you? But I have never equated your understanding to a 5 year old.

You just did!

[scottae316]

V,

Obviously you did not read my response to Leon, if you had you would have never asked this. I was simply asking why Dake was put ahead of Scripture/Bible. This is not an isolated case, Leon does this most of the time. I have respect for Dake, but do not equate Dake and his theology with Scripture. I tend to let Scripture interpret Scripture, and while I certainly find study Bibles, commentaries, and other aids useful, they are only tools and not Scripture. This is not only a Dake Board, if you read the name it is a Bible Discussion board, A Board devoted to the study of God's Word in Honor of Finis J. Dake. Of course people would quote Dake, but Dake is not the same as the Bible, like any human, Dake's theology is not perfect, neither is mine, Leon's, Ed's or yours.

Well beam me up Scottie

Maybe I have not been on this board as long as you, but I have known Bibleman for probably 10 years now though I have not always been an active particpant on this forum and not once have I gotten the impression that Bibleman places Dake on the same level or above Scripture. I have read books by Seventh Day Adventists and while not all of them do this, many of them equate her writings with the Bible itself (something she herself never did) and many of them refer to her as "The Spirit of Prophecy". Now that is something that makes me shudder and want to stay away from those kind of people. It is nearly cultish. But with many of them, Scripture must be interpretted through an "Ellen White" grid. Again, not all SDAs are like this but too many of them are and it makes me uneasy when reading some of their material.

I don't get that feeling of unease when I am around those who respect Dake. Finis Dake was fallible like the rest of us but since we have read his writings we can say that he, along with others, have had some influence on how we understand the Bible, at least portions of it. Like you, I personally am not afraid to speak out where I disagree with Dake, but if we are on a discussion forum that honors the man where most of us claim to love his writings, then it is reasonable when there are points of dispute on a forum that bears his name to point out what he believed about those points and to ask those who claim to respect his teachings if we agree with him on that point. The answer is a simple "yes" or "no".

Personally I find it interesting when Bibleman is able to show a person who claims to know what Dake taught and claims that others don't understand Dake to show them that they are the ones who are actually misunderstanding him. That I have seen Bibleman do time and again. It has never been to make Dake infallible but to show those who claim to have this love for Dake but this hatred for certain teachings to be shown that Dake taught fully what they themselves hate.

Vdub,

I think your first sentence sums it up perfectly. Their have been exchanges on this subject before, some public and some private. I happen to like Leon, although he may not think so. As I said before, since this board is in honor of Dake, one should expect quotes from his writings, no where did I even hint that one should not. As to Leon being able to show where Dake is misunderstood, no one including myself have ever said otherwise, so I don't understand the point of you final paragraph?

[scottae316]

Hi Leon,

You said;

Does everyone agree with Dake? Does everyone agree with the Biblical text?

Now this is a "Bible" discussion board as you have told me several times in the past, why is it more important that everyone agrees with Dake, seeing that you put Dake first and the Bible second?

Scott, personally I have a difficult time understanding why Bibleman's question would appear as if he wants everyone to agree with Dake more than the Bible. I don't see that at all in his quote. Since people were having a debate over a specific doctrinal issue and both were using Scripture (one side erroneously) then there is nothing wrong with asking if anyone agrees with Finis Dake's perspective of this. After all this is a DAKE Bible discussion board.

Most of the people who come here claim to have utmost respect for Dake's teachings which is why they come here. Therefore, if one cannot reference Dake on a "Dake" discussion board without being accused of making what Dake says more authoritative than Scripture, then something is wrong.

V,

Obviously you did not read my response to Leon, if you had you would have never asked this. I was simply asking why Dake was put ahead of Scripture/Bible. This is not an isolated case, Leon does this most of the time. I have respect for Dake, but do not equate Dake and his theology with Scripture. I tend to let Scripture interpret Scripture, and while I certainly find study Bibles, commentaries, and other aids useful, they are only tools and not Scripture. This is not only a Dake Board, if you read the name it is a Bible Discussion board, A Board devoted to the study of God's Word in Honor of Finis J. Dake. Of course people would quote Dake, but Dake is not the same as the Bible,(( like any human, Dake's theology is not perfect, neither is mine, Leon's, Ed's or yours.[/quote]))



So! we can not trust anyone to tell us the truth..
Tell me Scott, was paul's theology correct?

macca

Well, that depends, if you believe that the Bible is the infallible Word of God and the authors were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write it, then yes Paul's theology was correct, although I would not say Paul thought it up all by himself, but was given the knowledge by the Holy Spirit. This what I believe. Now do I consider the writing of Luther, Calvin, Wesley, Dake or any other person to be the infallible Word of God, no.

Do I think that Dake, Leon, Ed, VW, or myself are being untruthful on purpose, no. Can anynone of them be in error but not realize it, sure. Who shpuld one trust, well that is a personal decision.

[bibleman]

Hi Leon,

You said;

Does everyone agree with Dake? Does everyone agree with the Biblical text?

Now this is a "Bible" discussion board as you have told me several times in the past, why is it more important that everyone agrees with Dake, seeing that you put Dake first and the Bible second?

Scott, personally I have a difficult time understanding why Bibleman's question would appear as if he wants everyone to agree with Dake more than the Bible. I don't see that at all in his quote. Since people were having a debate over a specific doctrinal issue and both were using Scripture (one side erroneously) then there is nothing wrong with asking if anyone agrees with Finis Dake's perspective of this. After all this is a DAKE Bible discussion board.

Most of the people who come here claim to have utmost respect for Dake's teachings which is why they come here. Therefore, if one cannot reference Dake on a "Dake" discussion board without being accused of making what Dake says more authoritative than Scripture, then something is wrong.

V,

Obviously you did not read my response to Leon, if you had you would have never asked this. I was simply asking why Dake was put ahead of Scripture/Bible. This is not an isolated case, Leon does this most of the time. I have respect for Dake, but do not equate Dake and his theology with Scripture. I tend to let Scripture interpret Scripture, and while I certainly find study Bibles, commentaries, and other aids useful, they are only tools and not Scripture. This is not only a Dake Board, if you read the name it is a Bible Discussion board, A Board devoted to the study of God's Word in Honor of Finis J. Dake. Of course people would quote Dake, but Dake is not the same as the Bible,(( like any human, Dake's theology is not perfect, neither is mine, Leon's, Ed's or yours.[/quote]))



So! we can not trust anyone to tell us the truth..
Tell me Scott, was paul's theology correct?

macca

Well, that depends, if you believe that the Bible is the infallible Word of God and the authors were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write it, then yes Paul's theology was correct, although I would not say Paul thought it up all by himself, but was given the knowledge by the Holy Spirit. This what I believe. Now do I consider the writing of Luther, Calvin, Wesley, Dake or any other person to be the infallible Word of God, no.

Do I think that Dake, Leon, Ed, VW, or myself are being untruthful on purpose, no. Can anynone of them be in error but not realize it, sure. Who shpuld one trust, well that is a personal decision.

Hey as for me....

Don't ever believe me just because it is me!

Only believe me when I am in line with the WORD OF GOD!

I would say the same thing about the Dake Bible notes as well... just as Dake did himself!