Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Finis Dake on Positive Confession

[Justaned]

Ed do you see what you have resorted to, Ed you are now no longer debating me, now you are debating the bible. I don't know, ask the author Why are you so fixated on sin?.

So you do believe in Once saved always saved? According to you if you are a christian you no longer have a sin nature, without sin nature you don't sin so you are eternally saved

[Rocky]

Ed do you see what you have resorted to, Ed you are now no longer debating me, now you are debating the bible. I don't know, ask the author Why are you so fixated on sin?.

So you do believe in Once saved always saved? According to you if you are a christian you no longer have a sin nature, without sin nature you don't sin so you are eternally saved

I do not believe in OSAS. The bible is very clear about the choice of man in this matter. What is you hang ups about the bible? Do you see that your ideologies and theories may be off and full of holes. Is it possible that the bible is right and you are wrong? I think you may be coming to an end of your self. When one starts to debate with the bible itself its time to reassess your beliefs, Ed there is really no were to go from here either you are right or the bible is. Again why are you so fixated on sin? Why do you have to believe that a christian has to sin and has to have this sin nature? Again the bible says Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin ; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. It is was it is.

[Justaned]

Ed do you see what you have resorted to, Ed you are now no longer debating me, now you are debating the bible. I don't know, ask the author Why are you so fixated on sin?.

So you do believe in Once saved always saved? According to you if you are a christian you no longer have a sin nature, without sin nature you don't sin so you are eternally saved

I do not believe in OSAS. The bible is very clear about the choice of man in this matter. What is you hang ups about the bible? Do you see that your ideologies and theories may be off and full of holes. Is it possible that the bible is right and you are wrong? I think you may be coming to an end of your self. When one starts to debate with the bible itself its time to reassess your beliefs, Ed there is really no were to go from here either you are right or the bible is. Again why are you so fixated on sin? Why do you have to believe that a christian has to sin and has to have this sin nature? Again the bible says Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin ; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. It is was it is.

Wait wait wait!!!!! You said that once we are saved we not longer have a sin nature and we don't sin. Logic would say if we are saved and can't sin then OSAS must be right. I'm not fixated on anything. You keep telling me a Christian can't sin and I'm asking then how can a Christian be tempted? You don't answer. I said Jesus had a sin nature, propensity to sin, carnal man. You said no. Jesus could not sin! So I asked how was he tempted if he could not sin? You don't answer.
Now you are telling me a saved Christian can't sin because their sin nature is dead. I asking isn't that the same as OSAS? You don't answer. If not how is it different? You do not answer. All you do is make silly statements and when I ask for clarifications you say I'm fixated on sin. HOW SO?

[Rocky]

Ed do you see what you have resorted to, Ed you are now no longer debating me, now you are debating the bible. I don't know, ask the author Why are you so fixated on sin?.

So you do believe in Once saved always saved? According to you if you are a christian you no longer have a sin nature, without sin nature you don't sin so you are eternally saved

I do not believe in OSAS. The bible is very clear about the choice of man in this matter. What is you hang ups about the bible? Do you see that your ideologies and theories may be off and full of holes. Is it possible that the bible is right and you are wrong? I think you may be coming to an end of your self. When one starts to debate with the bible itself its time to reassess your beliefs, Ed there is really no were to go from here either you are right or the bible is. Again why are you so fixated on sin? Why do you have to believe that a christian has to sin and has to have this sin nature? Again the bible says Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin ; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. It is was it is.

Wait wait wait!!!!! You said that once we are saved we not longer have a sin nature and we don't sin. Logic would say if we are saved and can't sin then OSAS must be right. I'm not fixated on anything. You keep telling me a Christian can't sin and I'm asking then how can a Christian be tempted? You don't answer. I said Jesus had a sin nature, propensity to sin, carnal man. You said no. Jesus could not sin! So I asked how was he tempted if he could not sin? You don't answer.
Now you are telling me a saved Christian can't sin because their sin nature is dead. I asking isn't that the same as OSAS? You don't answer. If not how is it different? You do not answer. All you do is make silly statements and when I ask for clarifications you say I'm fixated on sin. HOW SO?

Silly statements? Ed I gave you scripture, its not my fault you don't agree with it. I don't know where to go from here sorry

[Justaned]

Ed do you see what you have resorted to, Ed you are now no longer debating me, now you are debating the bible. I don't know, ask the author Why are you so fixated on sin?.

So you do believe in Once saved always saved? According to you if you are a christian you no longer have a sin nature, without sin nature you don't sin so you are eternally saved

I do not believe in OSAS. The bible is very clear about the choice of man in this matter. What is you hang ups about the bible? Do you see that your ideologies and theories may be off and full of holes. Is it possible that the bible is right and you are wrong? I think you may be coming to an end of your self. When one starts to debate with the bible itself its time to reassess your beliefs, Ed there is really no were to go from here either you are right or the bible is. Again why are you so fixated on sin? Why do you have to believe that a christian has to sin and has to have this sin nature? Again the bible says Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin ; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. It is was it is.

Wait wait wait!!!!! You said that once we are saved we not longer have a sin nature and we don't sin. Logic would say if we are saved and can't sin then OSAS must be right. I'm not fixated on anything. You keep telling me a Christian can't sin and I'm asking then how can a Christian be tempted? You don't answer. I said Jesus had a sin nature, propensity to sin, carnal man. You said no. Jesus could not sin! So I asked how was he tempted if he could not sin? You don't answer.
Now you are telling me a saved Christian can't sin because their sin nature is dead. I asking isn't that the same as OSAS? You don't answer. If not how is it different? You do not answer. All you do is make silly statements and when I ask for clarifications you say I'm fixated on sin. HOW SO?

Silly statements? Ed I gave you scripture, its not my fault you don't agree with it. I don't know where to go from here sorry

No you gave me scripture and supplied your own interpretation of that scripture. It is as (and I hate to say this) Victorywood said, Christians still sin although we don't engage in sin. Sometimes the fleshly man that is supposed to be dead raises his ugly head and we slip. We say something we shouldn't, we do something we shouldn't. We don't do it willingly but we do sin from time to time. That is why we need an intercessor and that is why Jesus must intercede for us. That fleshly man will be with us until we get our perfected bodies at which point we will have no inclination to sin, no propensity for sin, no carnal nature. Why do you think we need "perfected" bodies?

[Rocky]

Ed do you see what you have resorted to, Ed you are now no longer debating me, now you are debating the bible. I don't know, ask the author Why are you so fixated on sin?.

So you do believe in Once saved always saved? According to you if you are a christian you no longer have a sin nature, without sin nature you don't sin so you are eternally saved

I do not believe in OSAS. The bible is very clear about the choice of man in this matter. What is you hang ups about the bible? Do you see that your ideologies and theories may be off and full of holes. Is it possible that the bible is right and you are wrong? I think you may be coming to an end of your self. When one starts to debate with the bible itself its time to reassess your beliefs, Ed there is really no were to go from here either you are right or the bible is. Again why are you so fixated on sin? Why do you have to believe that a christian has to sin and has to have this sin nature? Again the bible says Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin ; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. It is was it is.

Wait wait wait!!!!! You said that once we are saved we not longer have a sin nature and we don't sin. Logic would say if we are saved and can't sin then OSAS must be right. I'm not fixated on anything. You keep telling me a Christian can't sin and I'm asking then how can a Christian be tempted? You don't answer. I said Jesus had a sin nature, propensity to sin, carnal man. You said no. Jesus could not sin! So I asked how was he tempted if he could not sin? You don't answer.
Now you are telling me a saved Christian can't sin because their sin nature is dead. I asking isn't that the same as OSAS? You don't answer. If not how is it different? You do not answer. All you do is make silly statements and when I ask for clarifications you say I'm fixated on sin. HOW SO?

Silly statements? Ed I gave you scripture, its not my fault you don't agree with it. I don't know where to go from here sorry

No you gave me scripture and supplied your own interpretation of that scripture. It is as (and I hate to say this) Victorywood said, Christians still sin although we don't engage in sin. Sometimes the fleshly man that is supposed to be dead raises his ugly head and we slip. We say something we shouldn't, we do something we shouldn't. We don't do it willingly but we do sin from time to time. That is why we need an intercessor and that is why Jesus must intercede for us. That fleshly man will be with us until we get our perfected bodies at which point we will have no inclination to sin, no propensity for sin, no carnal nature. Why do you think we need "perfected" bodies?

We need perfect bodies so this mortal can put on immortality.(Corinthian 15:53-54) And again no where did I make the statement I never sin or sinned. I said the Christian can have victory over sin and does not have to sin, We are dead to sin (Romans 6:2, 6:6, 6:8, 6:10-11, 6:14) If I sin it is my failure not Gods failure to keep his promise concerning victory over sin, the"sin nature", and the devil. And what scripture did I give the wrong interpretation of? The scriptures I gave were pretty simple to understand, it was not a prophetic scripture or even allegorical type scriptures that at times can be hard to interpret. I could read those scriptures that I used to my 5 year old and he would understand.

[Justaned]

Ed do you see what you have resorted to, Ed you are now no longer debating me, now you are debating the bible. I don't know, ask the author Why are you so fixated on sin?.

So you do believe in Once saved always saved? According to you if you are a christian you no longer have a sin nature, without sin nature you don't sin so you are eternally saved

I do not believe in OSAS. The bible is very clear about the choice of man in this matter. What is you hang ups about the bible? Do you see that your ideologies and theories may be off and full of holes. Is it possible that the bible is right and you are wrong? I think you may be coming to an end of your self. When one starts to debate with the bible itself its time to reassess your beliefs, Ed there is really no were to go from here either you are right or the bible is. Again why are you so fixated on sin? Why do you have to believe that a christian has to sin and has to have this sin nature? Again the bible says Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin ; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. It is was it is.

Wait wait wait!!!!! You said that once we are saved we not longer have a sin nature and we don't sin. Logic would say if we are saved and can't sin then OSAS must be right. I'm not fixated on anything. You keep telling me a Christian can't sin and I'm asking then how can a Christian be tempted? You don't answer. I said Jesus had a sin nature, propensity to sin, carnal man. You said no. Jesus could not sin! So I asked how was he tempted if he could not sin? You don't answer.
Now you are telling me a saved Christian can't sin because their sin nature is dead. I asking isn't that the same as OSAS? You don't answer. If not how is it different? You do not answer. All you do is make silly statements and when I ask for clarifications you say I'm fixated on sin. HOW SO?

Silly statements? Ed I gave you scripture, its not my fault you don't agree with it. I don't know where to go from here sorry

No you gave me scripture and supplied your own interpretation of that scripture. It is as (and I hate to say this) Victorywood said, Christians still sin although we don't engage in sin. Sometimes the fleshly man that is supposed to be dead raises his ugly head and we slip. We say something we shouldn't, we do something we shouldn't. We don't do it willingly but we do sin from time to time. That is why we need an intercessor and that is why Jesus must intercede for us. That fleshly man will be with us until we get our perfected bodies at which point we will have no inclination to sin, no propensity for sin, no carnal nature. Why do you think we need "perfected" bodies?

We need perfect bodies so this mortal can put on immortality.(Corinthian 15:53-54) And again no where did I make the statement I never sin or sinned. I said the Christian can have victory over sin and does not have to sin, We are dead to sin (Romans 6:2, 6:6, 6:8, 6:10-11, 6:14) If I sin it is my failure not Gods failure to keep his promise concerning victory over sin, the"sin nature", and the devil. And what scripture did I give the wrong interpretation of? The scriptures I gave were pretty simple to understand, it was not a prophetic scripture or even allegorical type scriptures that at times can be hard to interpret. I could read those scriptures that I used to my 5 year old and he would understand.

I agree we don't have to sin never said we did. Our carnal man is still open to sin but if we let our spirit man rule over him we don't sin. But that does not mean we have lost our propensity to sin. Let down your guard for a minute you carnal man will raise his ugly head.

I'm not going back over this as it seems one of us is changing position. But we don't need perfect bodies to put on immortality what we need is the intercession of Jesus. No man lives without sin except one that was Jesus Christ. The rest of us must depend on the Blood to wash away our sin and the intercession to of Jesus.

I don't know what your five year old might understand of your theology but I would make sure he was in church so he can be taught Christian Theology.

[Rocky]

I don't know what your five year old might understand of your theology but I would make sure he was in church so he can be taught Christian Theology.

Nice little cheap shot there about my kid and what my kids are being taught there Ed. My kids are being taught the bible. So I would like it if you would keep anything about my kids out of you mouth thank you. And I don't think as others would agree that you are in no place to talk about ones theology. You resorted to a lot of things when discussing or debating with me, you always do this, this is a new low for you. What's next Ed want to discuss my appearance again? Now I like to debate and discuss, But I believe you need to learn how to because you act like a little kid when you are disagreed with.

[Justaned]

I don't know what your five year old might understand of your theology but I would make sure he was in church so he can be taught Christian Theology.

Nice little cheap shot there about my kid and what my kids are being taught there Ed. My kids are being taught the bible. So I would like it if you would keep anything about my kids out of you mouth thank you. And I don't think as others would agree that you are in no place to talk about ones theology. You resorted to a lot of things when discussing or debating with me, you always do this, this is a new low for you. What's next Ed want to discuss my appearance again? Now I like to debate and discuss, But I believe you need to learn how to because you act like a little kid when you are disagreed with.

Rocky

It was not a cheap shot it was one you handed me. However since you find it objectionable I will retract it. As far as your appearance (which you keep bringing up) you are the one that brought it up first and I offered my comments. I said when people dress for reaction they often get a reaction. Do you think people would react to a couple that shows up with the man always in tuxedo and the woman in a ball gown? So why the surprise, the disbelief, indignity?
I'm sorry if that offends you but truth is truth and fact is fact.


I don't have a problem discussing theology as long as you don't try to invalidate my position by suggesting even a 5 year old knows better. Or equating it with heresy, or one of the many other things you have said. If you want to discuss/debate produce evidence of your position. If I dismiss that evidence as something other than valid don't resort to insults or name calling as you have in the past.

I think we have discussed this subject as much as useful. You refuse to consider my point and I have researched your point and found it wanting. So what is left to say?

[victoryword]

Hi Leon,

You said;

Does everyone agree with Dake? Does everyone agree with the Biblical text?

Now this is a "Bible" discussion board as you have told me several times in the past, why is it more important that everyone agrees with Dake, seeing that you put Dake first and the Bible second?

Scott, personally I have a difficult time understanding why Bibleman's question would appear as if he wants everyone to agree with Dake more than the Bible. I don't see that at all in his quote. Since people were having a debate over a specific doctrinal issue and both were using Scripture (one side erroneously) then there is nothing wrong with asking if anyone agrees with Finis Dake's perspective of this. After all this is a DAKE Bible discussion board.

Most of the people who come here claim to have utmost respect for Dake's teachings which is why they come here. Therefore, if one cannot reference Dake on a "Dake" discussion board without being accused of making what Dake says more authoritative than Scripture, then something is wrong.