Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Are All Sins Equal in God's Eyes? Billy Graham Sounds Off

[Justaned]

I think Billy Graham hit the nail on the head with his definition of sin!
Sin is rebellion to God. Adam and Eve never had the law yet they entered into sin for all of mankind.
Sin is condition of the heart, judged purely by God and Graham was 100 percent right when he said

"A sin is any thought or action that falls short of God’s will. God is perfect, and anything we do that falls short of His perfection is sin.

James 1:14-16 (KJV)
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

[titus213]

Dake points out (in the notes at 1 John 3.4) that sin is not only "transgression of the law", but also "the spirit and nature of the devil in sinners" (2 Cor. 5:17). In fact, the single Greek word which is translated by the longer English phrase "transgression of the law" might more properly be translated "rebellion". It isn't referring to just the Mosaic law, but to a heart attitude of being against any laws.

[Justaned]

Dake points out (in the notes at 1 John 3.4) that sin is not only "transgression of the law", but also "the spirit and nature of the devil in sinners" (2 Cor. 5:17). In fact, the single Greek word which is translated by the longer English phrase "transgression of the law" might more properly be translated "rebellion". It isn't referring to just the Mosaic law, but to a heart attitude of being against any laws.

AMEM!

[Rocky]

I think Billy Graham hit the nail on the head with his definition of sin!
Sin is rebellion to God. Adam and Eve never had the law yet they entered into sin for all of mankind.
Sin is condition of the heart, judged purely by God and Graham was 100 percent right when he said

"A sin is any thought or action that falls short of God’s will. God is perfect, and anything we do that falls short of His perfection is sin.

James 1:14-16 (KJV)
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

So Ed you agre with Billy Graham over the Apostles paul and John? No Adam and Eve did not have the law but they did have a commandment, which they broke. Remember Paul said "I had not known sin but by the Law".

[branham1965]

IS THE NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH THE CHOSEN PEOPLE CF 1 PETER 1 THE ISRAEL OF GOD UNDER THE OLD COVENANT LAW??????
WHAT LAW ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???

PAUL TALKS OF THE LAW OF THE SPIRIT OF LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS HAS MADE ME FREE FROM THE LAW OF......SIN AND DEATH.

Dake points out (in the notes at 1 John 3.4) that sin is not only "transgression of the law", but also "the spirit and nature of the devil in sinners" (2 Cor. 5:17). In fact, the single Greek word which is translated by the longer English phrase "transgression of the law" might more properly be translated "rebellion". It isn't referring to just the Mosaic law, but to a heart attitude of being against any laws.

[Justaned]

I think Billy Graham hit the nail on the head with his definition of sin!
Sin is rebellion to God. Adam and Eve never had the law yet they entered into sin for all of mankind.
Sin is condition of the heart, judged purely by God and Graham was 100 percent right when he said

"A sin is any thought or action that falls short of God’s will. God is perfect, and anything we do that falls short of His perfection is sin.

James 1:14-16 (KJV)
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

So Ed you agre with Billy Graham over the Apostles paul and John? No Adam and Eve did not have the law but they did have a commandment, which they broke. Remember Paul said "I had not known sin but by the Law".

I think you are tied up in legalism. When I talked of the sin of omission you couldn't grasp the concept. Now you don't seem to be able to understand, this that it isn't about the rule that the sinner breaks but rather the condition of the their heart.

If you read a little more of the scripture you will see that the apostles do agree that is far more than rules and tenets but it is about the condition of the heart that motivated the sinner.

Keep reading I'm sure you will eventually grasp the concept of sin that Jesus, the Apostles and now Dr Graham and Dake are talking about.

[Rocky]

Dake points out (in the notes at 1 John 3.4) that sin is not only "transgression of the law", but also "the spirit and nature of the devil in sinners" (2 Cor. 5:17). In fact, the single Greek word which is translated by the longer English phrase "transgression of the law" might more properly be translated "rebellion". It isn't referring to just the Mosaic law, but to a heart attitude of being against any laws.

I am not sure that is what John noticed what Paul said concerning this What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. Paul here is talking about the Decalogue And yes the sin nature is the spirit and nature of the devil in sinners" But remember the law is the strength of sin
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law So by the law is the knowledge of sin.
I do disagree that John is saying "heart attitude of being against any laws" He is talking about The decalogue just like Paul, The moral law so to speak.

[branham1965]

condescending bad spirited tripe.
Rocky is spot on.

I think Billy Graham hit the nail on the head with his definition of sin!
Sin is rebellion to God. Adam and Eve never had the law yet they entered into sin for all of mankind.
Sin is condition of the heart, judged purely by God and Graham was 100 percent right when he said

"A sin is any thought or action that falls short of God’s will. God is perfect, and anything we do that falls short of His perfection is sin.

James 1:14-16 (KJV)
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

So Ed you agre with Billy Graham over the Apostles paul and John? No Adam and Eve did not have the law but they did have a commandment, which they broke. Remember Paul said "I had not known sin but by the Law".

I think you are tied up in legalism. When I talked of the sin of omission you couldn't grasp the concept. Now you don't seem to be able to understand, this that it isn't about the rule that the sinner breaks but rather the condition of the their heart.

If you read a little more of the scripture you will see that the apostles do agree that is far more than rules and tenets but it is about the condition of the heart that motivated the sinner.

Keep reading I'm sure you will eventually grasp the concept of sin that Jesus, the Apostles and now Dr Graham and Dake are talking about.

[Rocky]

Ed Why not try for once and address things that people say instead of belittling people. I cant discus unless you address something specific about what am I wrong about. What scripture did give that was wrong? I give scripture what did you give? I simply quoted Paul, Its ok if you disagree just give a point or some kind of tangible counter point you seem to only give opinions with no scripture at least give scripture and maybe we can discuss.. All you do little is belittle with no reason as to why. If you disagree give reason instead of attacking someone's intelligence, thank you.

[titus213]

Neither you nor I can tell what John was thinking of, since we are not able to go back and read what was in his mind.
I do know the word the Holy Spirit had him use is broader than "breaking the moral law".

But that is really beside the point - the point Dake brings out (as do many other passages in Scripture) is that sin is something more than merely breaking laws. It goes to what a person is, and not just to what a person does. Much as what Jesus taught in Mark 7 about the human heart being the source of the defiling thoughts and actions in our lives.
As for Paul's statement in Romans 7, you need to keep reading what he wrote. His point is not merely that sin is breaking the law . . . in fact, he goes on to make the same point Dake made. The law made him aware of the evil desires within him which were really behind the sinful actions he committed. As the rest of the chapter shows, Paul became painfully aware that sin was almost a living thing, a power which enslaved him.