Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Did Peter lose his salvation?

[Reuben]

You asked what would lead me or anyone to believe Peter was saved... then backslid... then restored... the Scriptures produced this in me.

[Justaned]

You asked what would lead me or anyone to believe Peter was saved... then backslid... then restored... the Scriptures produced this in me.

In what was Peter's salvation secured? In what sacrifice paid for his sin?

You say scripture produced this in you. Okay how? Does not forgiveness of sin require a payment (death) a sacrifice? That is what scripture says. So how was Peter's sins paid for to secure his salvation? Was grace poured out before the Cross?

So how did scripture product that in you?

[Reuben]

It produced it by reading it and believing it. Here it is again.

Matthew 16:16-19 (KJV)
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Jesus responds to Peter's confession by telling him this is not human imparted information but a revelation given by the Father. Then, he uses the word "blessed art thou" which is similar to the Beatitudes which is a condition produced by relationship with the Lord. Then, he renames him Peter. Which means fragment or piece of a rock. What rock? Well, Jesus points to himself as the Rock. Here again Jesus identifies Peter as being in or a part of the Lord. Then, in verse 19, he still is speaking directly to Peter, he tells him that now he will give him the keys to the Kingdom.

No opinions here - just plain written Scripture. Very clear.

[Reuben]

I might also add the following as I did before.
John 15:3 (KJV)
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

This included Peter. And, take notice when Jesus spoke this - before the Cross. Either Peter was clean or he wasn't.

Wanted to add - again how do I arrive at such conclusions - by simply reading verses like the above and accepting them as truth.

[Justaned]

It produced it by reading it and believing it. Here it is again.

Matthew 16:16-19 (KJV)
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Jesus responds to Peter's confession by telling him this is not human imparted information but a revelation given by the Father. Then, he uses the word "blessed art thou" which is similar to the Beatitudes which is a condition produced by relationship with the Lord. Then, he renames him Peter. Which means fragment or piece of a rock. What rock? Well, Jesus points to himself as the Rock. Here again Jesus identifies Peter as being in or a part of the Lord. Then, in verse 19, he still is speaking directly to Peter, he tells him that now he will give him the keys to the Kingdom.

No opinions here - just plain written Scripture. Very clear.

From this post and the next one are you say. Then Christ didn't have to go to the cross only proclaim that we are clean?

[Justaned]

Matthew 16:16 (KJV)
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

This confession coincides with 1st John 5:1. Also, Jesus states in verse 19 that he would give Peter and all believers the keys to the Kingdom.

Obviously Peter was in good standing with God according to John 15:3 (KJV) Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

But then Peter denies Christ. According to Jesus this can't be done without eternal ramifications. Matthew 10:33 (KJV) But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Jesus stated he needed to turn back again.
Luke 22:32
But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Very clear what happened to Peter.

Only one person I know of that Jesus promised salvation to, that being the thief on the cross. Do you see where Peter was promised salvation on that side of the cross? His sins might have been forgiven, he may have the Holy Spirit teaching him but no where does it say he has eternal salvation, until after the cross.
So for you to say he was saved requires you to make an assumption. And we all know how assumptions are frown upon here on the Dake forum.

[Reuben]

I was only giving you Scripture... I'm not saying anything. The Bible says he was clean. What else is there to say. You want me to give opinion but I am only giving Scripture. Peter was either clean or he wasn't. Will you believe the Scripture or not?

[Justaned]

I was only giving you Scripture... I'm not saying anything. The Bible says he was clean. What else is there to say. You want me to give opinion but I am only giving Scripture. Peter was either clean or he wasn't. Will you believe the Scripture or not?

I believe Peter was clean just a scripture says. But salvation requires a payment for the sin, and since scripture never says Peter was saved I don't believe that Peter was saved. Do you?

[Ironman]

Keeping it simple.
When Peter denied Christ while cursing, as Jesus predicted He would deny Him, he was lost. Peter went away and wept bitterly, repented and was restored/saved again.

Judas betrayed Christ as Jesus predicted he would and as it was written. Sadly Judas brooded over his sin and committed suicide and his name was removed from the book of life. There is no mention in Scripture of Peter being removed from the book! I'm saying Peter was a saved man!

[Justaned]

Keeping it simple.
When Peter denied Christ while cursing, as Jesus predicted He would deny Him, he was lost. Peter went away and wept bitterly, repented and was restored/saved again.

Judas betrayed Christ as Jesus predicted he would and as it was written. Sadly Judas brooded over his sin and committed suicide and his name was removed from the book of life. There is no mention in Scripture of Peter being removed from the book! I'm saying Peter was a saved man!

I know Peters denial but I don't see Peter's salvation. Sin requires payment (death). In the Old Testament sin was atonted for by sacrifice, death of the animal. In the New Testament is paid for once and for all by an eternal sacrifice Jesus Christ and His death on the cross so how was Peter's salvation paid for before the cross? Peter always expressed faith and doubt so I don't see him saved I see him as a disciple of Christ that needed Jesus to go to the cross to pay his debt.

Even more so with Judas. Jesus knew from the beginning Judas was of Satan. Judas did as many do each Sunday play act at being Christians but they really aren't saved.