Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ What sin(s) send people to Hell?

[frad70]

about 20 years ago I read his article in which he said one loses salvation the same way s/he gets it - by a heart-backed confession/act of rejection of his/her salvation

[branham1965]

what did Fred Price say????dont leave us hanging mate

about 20 years ago I read his article in which he said one loses salvation the same way s/he gets it - by a heart-backed confession/act of rejection of his/her salvation

[branham1965]

i think thats true.
if we commit the death penalty sins above in Rogers post from GPFM we incur the death penalty.
the soul that sinneth it shall die.

about 20 years ago I read his article in which he said one loses salvation the same way s/he gets it - by a heart-backed confession/act of rejection of his/her salvation

[Justaned]

Wait a minute just the other day everyone was telling me how wonderful the reformers were now you say sola gratia is a falsehood.

Ed you are a reformer as well as I pointed out to you in another thread

Which is it was the doctrine of the Reformers truth or false?

With ones? They all had different theologies.

Rocky
The Reformer you most admire was Sola Gratia so was he right or wrong?

[Rocky]

Wait a minute just the other day everyone was telling me how wonderful the reformers were now you say sola gratia is a falsehood.

Ed you are a reformer as well as I pointed out to you in another thread

Which is it was the doctrine of the Reformers truth or false?

With ones? They all had different theologies.

Rocky
The Reformer you most admire was Sola Gratia so was he right or wrong?

I never said I admired anyone, But yes he was right. Any way, Ok Sola Gratia and the new Hyper grace movement is not the same. Ed you are Sola Gratia as well, And so is almost everyone on this board. Sola gratia( grace alone), which is a Latin Catholic theological term by the way, is not Antinomianism, which is what Calvinism flirts with And the OSAS theology, as well as the hyper grace movement. Also there are many theological concepts with in Sola Gratia adherents. By definition Any one who does not practice the Catholic sacraments is Sola Gratia, so I am sure you believe in a form of it unless you are a practicing Catholic. Sorry Ed, again you are a protestant, be thank full and quit drinking all of that haterade....

[Justaned]

Wait a minute just the other day everyone was telling me how wonderful the reformers were now you say sola gratia is a falsehood.

Ed you are a reformer as well as I pointed out to you in another thread

Which is it was the doctrine of the Reformers truth or false?

With ones? They all had different theologies.

Rocky
The Reformer you most admire was Sola Gratia so was he right or wrong?

I never said I admired anyone, But yes he was right. Any way, Ok Sola Gratia and the new Hyper grace movement is not the same. Ed you are Sola Gratia as well, And so is almost everyone on this board. Sola gratia( grace alone), which is a Latin Catholic theological term by the way, is not Antinomianism, which is what Calvinism flirts with And the OSAS theology, as well as the hyper grace movement. Also there are many theological concepts with in Sola Gratia adherents. By definition Any one who does not practice the Catholic sacraments is Sola Gratia, so I am sure you believe in a form of it unless you are a practicing Catholic. Sorry Ed, again you are a protestant, be thank full and quit drinking all of that

Actually Rocky I'm not Sola Gratia which is a latin term but not necessarily a Catholic term, although it is used by the Catholics. I believe in grace but I believe we must be in obedience also. To me belief in Christ does not stop with head knowledge of Jesus. To me belief in Christ demands that we keep His commandments. That does not earn us salvation but it does exemplify our belief in Him.

I actually like the Council of Trent's definition

the Council explained that salvation is made possible only by grace; the faith and works of men are secondary means that have their origins in and are sustained by grace.

[Rocky]

You are sola Gratia when it comes to initial salvation right?

[Justaned]

If you want to call it that. I believe no one can be saved unless God calls them, and the Holy Spirit quickens them to hearing the truth. For true Salvation a person must be convicted by the Holy Spirit that they are destined to damnation and must have the salvation of Jesus Christ offered them. But at that point they must make Jesus Christ Lord of their life, they must lay down their will and pick up His will. They must lay down their rights and pick up the rights of a servant. It is no longer their flesh they serve but the will of God. They must commit to a life of obedience and servanthood.

It is grace that offered salvation but it is the work of the believer that accepted what was freely given. The Book of James to me defines true Salvation, grace and faith.

I further believe any emotional response to a preacher's sad/scary story/heart wrenching story is not salvation but an effort to buy fire insurance.
I detest emotional pleas for salvation. Salvation requires boldness not being conned into it.

[Rocky]

If you want to call it that. I believe no one can be saved unless God calls them, and the Holy Spirit quickens them to hearing the truth. For true Salvation a person must be convicted by the Holy Spirit that they are destined to damnation and must have the salvation of Jesus Christ offered them. But at that point they must make Jesus Christ Lord of their life, they must lay down their will and pick up His will. They must lay down their rights and pick up the rights of a servant. It is no longer their flesh they serve but the will of God. They must commit to a life of obedience and servanthood.

It is grace that offered salvation but it is the work of the believer that accepted what was freely given. The Book of James to me defines true Salvation, grace and faith.

I further believe any emotional response to a preacher's sad/scary story/heart wrenching story is not salvation but an effort to buy fire insurance.
I detest emotional pleas for salvation. Salvation requires boldness not being conned into it.

I agree with some of this, But this is a bit off to me:

Ed Wrote: I detest emotional pleas for salvation

The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. And The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. Yes it takes faith but emotions are part of this as well. And this:

Ed' Wrote: I further believe any emotional response to a preacher's sad/scary story/heart wrenching story is not salvation but an effort to buy fire insurance.

I don't think we should dictate someone emotions, or reasons for coming to the Lord. And this seems very cold to me. Emotions are part of it Ed. So are you some kind of heartless robot? Humane beings have emotions, unless you are commander Data from Star Treck, emotions I am sure played a part in your conversion. Even Jesus said "blessed are those that weep". I do get what you are saying. I hear Baptist say this stuff all the time because they don't believe in back sliding, so if someone does backslide they can just say "oh it was just an emotional conversion". Now what does the Bible actually say about emotions when it come to salvation? Remember the parable of the sower: But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. This is not talking about coming to the lord because one does not want go to hell(fire insurance) Not wanting to go to hell is a biblical reason to want to accept the lord. Its not talking about pleading for salvation, which you detest eather, pleading for salvation is biblical as well. Ed your words are contradicting the bible here, and this is very reformed theoligy you are spewing here

[Justaned]

If you want to call it that. I believe no one can be saved unless God calls them, and the Holy Spirit quickens them to hearing the truth. For true Salvation a person must be convicted by the Holy Spirit that they are destined to damnation and must have the salvation of Jesus Christ offered them. But at that point they must make Jesus Christ Lord of their life, they must lay down their will and pick up His will. They must lay down their rights and pick up the rights of a servant. It is no longer their flesh they serve but the will of God. They must commit to a life of obedience and servanthood.

It is grace that offered salvation but it is the work of the believer that accepted what was freely given. The Book of James to me defines true Salvation, grace and faith.

I further believe any emotional response to a preacher's sad/scary story/heart wrenching story is not salvation but an effort to buy fire insurance.
I detest emotional pleas for salvation. Salvation requires boldness not being conned into it.

I agree with some of this, But this is a bit off to me:

Ed Wrote: I detest emotional pleas for salvation

The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. And The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. Yes it takes faith but emotions are part of this as well. And this:

Ed' Wrote: I further believe any emotional response to a preacher's sad/scary story/heart wrenching story is not salvation but an effort to buy fire insurance.

I don't think we should dictate someone emotions, or reasons for coming to the Lord. And this seems very cold to me. Emotions are part of it Ed. So are you some kind of heartless robot? Humane beings have emotions, unless you are commander Data from Star Treck, emotions I am sure played a part in your conversion. Even Jesus said "blessed are those that weep". I do get what you are saying. I hear Baptist say this stuff all the time because they don't believe in back sliding, so if someone does backslide they can just say "oh it was just an emotional conversion". Now what does the Bible actually say about emotions when it come to salvation? Remember the parable of the sower: But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. This is not talking about coming to the lord because one does not want go to hell(fire insurance) Not wanting to go to hell is a biblical reason to want to accept the lord. Its not talking about pleading for salvation, which you detest eather, pleading for salvation is biblical as well. Ed your words are contradicting the bible, here in this is very reformed theoligy you are spewing here

Rocky
You are reading in more than I said. I said an emotional response. Which to me this meant the person was reacting to a sad story rather than the TRUE prompting of the Holy Spirit. I may have not said it right or clear enough for you but that is what I meant. Of course emotions are involved but they should not be the trigger or cause they can be the result.

Too many today play on the emotions rather than spiritual realities to draw people to the Lord and that to me produces fake Christians which I believe account for a high percentage of church attenders today. These people have never had their spirit's quickened by the Holy Spirit, they can't even read and fully comprehend scripture. They seek man to teach them instead of seeking God's Holy Spirit.