Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Overcoming Satan through God's Word (Part 1)

[victoryword]

Troy,

I have a feeling that if you posted a audio that said: "Open you Bibles to Matthew chapter 1."

Ed would have a problem with it.

So true Pastor Bible

[Justaned]

You prove my point what does this verse say.
1 John 2:14 (KJV)
14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

This verse lists three traits, you are strong, the word abides in them, and they have overcome the wicked one.

Does this verse even remotely suggest how to over come the wicked one? NO!
Does it say having the word of God in you overcomes the wicked one? NO!
Now listen at about 1:18 to 1:30

Does the word of God in us overcome the wicked one? No! What overcomes the enemy was it not Jesus Christ? How do we overcome the enemy? By having Christ in us.

Someone can memorize the Bible in total and unless he is in Christ and Christ is in him he is still Satan pawn, is that not true? Satan proved he had mastered scripture when he quoted it to Jesus but surely you aren't going to say he overcame the wicked one.

It is errors like this that flow through false teaching that makes it so false.

[victoryword]

You prove my point what does this verse say.
1 John 2:14 (KJV)
14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

This verse lists three traits, you are strong, the word abides in them, and they have overcome the wicked one.

Does this verse even remotely suggest how to over come the wicked one? NO!
Does it say having the word of God in you overcomes the wicked one? NO!
Now listen at about 1:18 to 1:30

Does the word of God in us overcome the wicked one? No! What overcomes the enemy was it not Jesus Christ? How do we overcome the enemy? By having Christ in us.

Someone can memorize the Bible in total and unless he is in Christ and Christ is in him he is still Satan pawn, is that not true? Satan proved he had mastered scripture when he quoted it to Jesus but surely you aren't going to say he overcame the wicked one.

It is errors like this that flow through false teaching that makes it so false.

Such a silly man.

Christ overcame the wicked one, but that does not become practical until you have the Word abiding in you. God's Word gives you knowledge of what Christ has done and through that you make Christ's victory effective in your life. The fact that you do not comprehend this simple truth, confirmed thoroughly by Christ's own teachings and example (Matt. 4:1-11; Luke 4:1-14), really makes me wonder even more about you.

• Psalm 119:9-11
  9 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.
  10 With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments.
  11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

[Justaned]

You prove my point what does this verse say.
1 John 2:14 (KJV)
14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

This verse lists three traits, you are strong, the word abides in them, and they have overcome the wicked one.

Does this verse even remotely suggest how to over come the wicked one? NO!
Does it say having the word of God in you overcomes the wicked one? NO!
Now listen at about 1:18 to 1:30

Does the word of God in us overcome the wicked one? No! What overcomes the enemy was it not Jesus Christ? How do we overcome the enemy? By having Christ in us.

Someone can memorize the Bible in total and unless he is in Christ and Christ is in him he is still Satan pawn, is that not true? Satan proved he had mastered scripture when he quoted it to Jesus but surely you aren't going to say he overcame the wicked one.

It is errors like this that flow through false teaching that makes it so false.

Such a silly man.

Christ overcame the wicked one, but that does not become practical until you have the Word abiding in you. God's Word gives you knowledge of what Christ has done and through that you make Christ's victory effective in your life. The fact that you do not comprehend this simple truth, confirmed thoroughly by Christ's own teachings and example (Matt. 4:1-11; Luke 4:1-14), really makes me wonder even more about you.

• Psalm 119:9-11
  9 Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.
  10 With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments.
  11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

Not the point you said this verse says thus and such and the verse does not.
That is making the verse fit your theology.
While I agree we must have the word in us, the victory over the wicked one does not come from that. It comes from Jesus Christ alone.
You are doing the same thing Reuben and Rocky accuse the Catholics of doing, making salvation a work you must have the word in you to be save, when in fact salvation comes from grace alone.

What you state to be true is false teaching it is that cut and dried.

[Justaned]

Look Troy you seem to be a nice enough young fellow that got himself on my bad side, I commented on this to bust your chops but seriously my friend that is not my purpose now.

You took liberty with a verse that is not yours to take. We all have from time to time but learn from it.

God said His word would not return void. God never said His word modified by us would not return void nor did God say our words would not return void.

When we stand in pulpit we must insure that we are not adding to or subtracting from God word but to present it as accurately as we possibly can.

I apologize for busting you on a public forum and I regret doing it. 20 20 hindsight says I should have PM or emailed you.

But now what is done is done I pray both of us can learn from it. I believe God had already spoken to me about my conduct and that is what prompted this post.

[cpbeller]

If Ed was in a thread alone, would he argue with himself?

Sometimes, I wonder...

[Justaned]

If Ed was in a thread alone, would he argue with himself?

Sometimes, I wonder...

Are you seriously going to tell me you don't see a problem adding to or subtracting from scripture?

[cpbeller]

I do...but I don't see where Victory was wrong in his teaching. So, I don't see your point, other than to try to be right...again.

Honestly, I think you would argue with Jesus, Himself, about how wrong He is.

Ed, if we are set free by the Truth, and the Truth is the Word...then we are set free by the Word of Truth...which, interestingly enough, is (shock of all shocks) Christ Jesus. It is through the Word that we are overcomers.

You remind me of a pastor I knew once where I used to work. I had a shirt that said, "God said it, I believe it, that settles it". He pointed out to me just how wrong that shirt was, and that I should not be, as a Christian, wearing it. He told me that it should read: "God said it, that settles it". But, that is not the whole truth. Just because God said it, does not not mean that it will just automatically happen. There are many, MANY things, promises, that He said, but until the believer agrees with it and believes it, they will not take place.

You are just like that pastor...you cannot ever be wrong, because we cannot ever be right.

Edit to add: I do not think Victory was making the point I made above...all I was showing was that Christ if the Living Word. And that Ed is wrong, once again, as usual (although, he will still tell me I am wrong and don't know what I am talking about)

[Justaned]

I do...but I don't see where Victory was wrong in his teaching. So, I don't see your point, other than to try to be right...again.

Honestly, I think you would argue with Jesus, Himself, about how wrong He is.

Ed, if we are set free by the Truth, and the Truth is the Word...then we are set free by the Word of Truth...which, interestingly enough, is (shock of all shocks) Christ Jesus. It is through the Word that we are overcomers.

You remind me of a pastor I knew once where I used to work. I had a shirt that said, "God said it, I believe it, that settles it". He pointed out to me just how wrong that shirt was, and that I should not be, as a Christian, wearing it. He told me that it should read: "God said it, that settles it". But, that is not the whole truth. Just because God said it, does not not mean that it will just automatically happen. There are many, MANY things, promises, that He said, but until the believer agrees with it and believes it, they will not take place.

You are just like that pastor...you cannot ever be wrong, because we cannot ever be right.

Edit to add: I do not think Victory was making the point I made above...all I was showing was that Christ if the Living Word. And that Ed is wrong, once again, as usual (although, he will still tell me I am wrong and don't know what I am talking about)

Again you don't think there is a problem saying a verse of scripture says thus and such when in fact the verse does not say that? The fact is yes the word is important but the word is not what overcomes the wicked one and the verse was not even remotely suggesting that it did. So you tell me, is that nit picking or is it false teaching?


PS I agree with the point the pastor you worked with was making. To many people think God needs their belief or acceptance to make His word true. NOT SO.

[victoryword]

I do...but I don't see where Victory was wrong in his teaching. So, I don't see your point, other than to try to be right...again.

Honestly, I think you would argue with Jesus, Himself, about how wrong He is.

Ed, if we are set free by the Truth, and the Truth is the Word...then we are set free by the Word of Truth...which, interestingly enough, is (shock of all shocks) Christ Jesus. It is through the Word that we are overcomers.

You remind me of a pastor I knew once where I used to work. I had a shirt that said, "God said it, I believe it, that settles it". He pointed out to me just how wrong that shirt was, and that I should not be, as a Christian, wearing it. He told me that it should read: "God said it, that settles it". But, that is not the whole truth. Just because God said it, does not not mean that it will just automatically happen. There are many, MANY things, promises, that He said, but until the believer agrees with it and believes it, they will not take place.

You are just like that pastor...you cannot ever be wrong, because we cannot ever be right.

Edit to add: I do not think Victory was making the point I made above...all I was showing was that Christ if the Living Word. And that Ed is wrong, once again, as usual (although, he will still tell me I am wrong and don't know what I am talking about)

Gret post Chris. I actually plan to use it, especially your conversation about that pastor, in some of my teaching.