Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Does this sound like once saved always saved to you?

[macca]

Does this sound like once saved always saved to you?

You have not received the spirit of bondage to the Law. You are led by the Spirit of God now.
The Spirit of God is now bearing witness with your spirit, assuring you that you are absolutely His child (Romans 8:16).
Don’t let your behavior affect how you view yourself.
Your identity in Christ is unaltered by your behavior. Your recreated spirit does not change when you miss the mark.
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Hey Leon,

How about this verse?

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

So your identity in Christ IS altered by our behavior.

hhmmm! so it looks like what God has created man can destroy.

macca

[branham1965]

i need to clarify this.before im relegated to who knows what. there was a man who came in the first shop i worked in.he was a good kind man.he was Baptist.his son worked on the NIV commentaries.
when i heard some of the things he said i thought ...hmmm that sounds like its right.its just being carried too far.
maybe it goes both ways.im not just running off at my big mouth to hear myself talk.this affected my life in a profound way. and i ...
and as usual the Preachers involved denied any thing to do with it.one i never even said a word."you have always beaten yourself up.are too hard on yourself."i nodded...yes.
another...sighs.... enough.forget it.

hey thank you there Pastor.
its strange i just started in the last ...year listening to him and he sounds very good.i feel better afterwards.but im not used to that.
but ive come from ultra fire and brimstone churches.if i didnt walkout ready to commit hari kari i didnt feel right.
i think he gets off on is ...well that sin is not imputed to us.he is osas.but his hero was Dad Hagin who was not osas.Reverend Dake covers that in 1950.its odd how nothing is new.
but he seems like a great young man.he said you dont have to agree with me...we can still be brothers ..

Thanks Billy. I don't listen to Joseph Prince so I would not recognize his teaching. I do know that Kenyon often spoke about the recreated spirit. While Kenyon's teachings have helped me immensely I had to reject his OSAS. Not sure how deep into OSAS Prince is but he does seem to be very influential these days.

[Justaned]

Sound more like Ultra Grace

I will agree that while Once Saved Always Saved often share the same boat with the ultra grace adherents, I must say there is a difference.

One is based on the psycho babble idea that people need more self esteem therefore their sinful behavior must be rationalized or marginalized .

The other believes true Christians don't commit intentional sin and unintentional sin is already under the blood of the Lamb.

Just thinking out loud....

I don't think I have ever committed an unintentional sin! Have I?

In Heaven on "quote - unquote" judgement day... will there be 2 lines one for sins committed on purpose and another line for (Oh did I do that! - in urckle voice).

I don't know if there will two lines but I imagine there will be a lot of people shocked over the effects of things they did and didn't realize how much it effected others.

Most people would not remember or think about unintentional sin. But they committed it just the same.

Example you are in a grocery store and you see a little old lady headed to the check out but your angle and speed would allow you to get there before her and not look as though you were preferring yourself over her so you do it.
Or you are on a crowded highway and the guy beside you on your right turns on his signals that he wants in your lane. Your choice speed up and let him on his own or slow down and let him over. Hey you are almost up to his door by now and he is driving like a turtle so you speed up and let him fight the guy behind you.
Or you tell a very lovable and caring person on your forum that always writes uplifting and edifying posts that he is a Calvinist, oh yeah we are talking unintentional sins weren't we.

[bibleman]

Sound more like Ultra Grace

I will agree that while Once Saved Always Saved often share the same boat with the ultra grace adherents, I must say there is a difference.

One is based on the psycho babble idea that people need more self esteem therefore their sinful behavior must be rationalized or marginalized .

The other believes true Christians don't commit intentional sin and unintentional sin is already under the blood of the Lamb.

Just thinking out loud....

I don't think I have ever committed an unintentional sin! Have I?

In Heaven on "quote - unquote" judgement day... will there be 2 lines one for sins committed on purpose and another line for (Oh did I do that! - in urckle voice).

I don't know if there will two lines but I imagine there will be a lot of people shocked over the effects of things they did and didn't realize how much it effected others.

Most people would not remember or think about unintentional sin. But they committed it just the same.

Example you are in a grocery store and you see a little old lady headed to the check out but your angle and speed would allow you to get there before her and not look as though you were preferring yourself over her so you do it.
Or you are on a crowded highway and the guy beside you on your right turns on his signals that he wants in your lane. Your choice speed up and let him on his own or slow down and let him over. Hey you are almost up to his door by now and he is driving like a turtle so you speed up and let him fight the guy behind you.
Or you tell a very lovable and caring person on your forum that always writes uplifting and edifying posts that he is a Calvinist, oh yeah we are talking unintentional sins weren't we.

Let's see 3 possibilities here...

I might be guilty of ONE of them!

[victoryword]

hhmmm! so it looks like what God has created man can destroy.

macca

That is a profound truth. The fact that man is destroying God's physical creation every day (the earth and even the body) shows that we are fully capable of destroying His spiritual creation as well when we have access to it. Think that may be another good reason why the persistent sinner cannot get into Heaven? Keeping murderers, thieves, fornicators, and others out for our protection?

O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help. (Hosea 13:9)

[bibleman]

Just read this as a church belief on a churches website.

About Salvation
We believe that the blood of Jesus Christ, shed on the cross, provides the sole basis for the forgiveness of sin. Therefore, God freely offers salvation to those who place their faith in the death and resurrection of Christ as sufficient payment for their sin. Salvation is a life changing moment that can't ever be reversed or undone.

That last line made me laugh out loud.

If you don't want to go to Heaven you just better not get saved - because once you do - like it or not YOU are going to Heaven. Think about all the dope heads, fornicators, prostitutes, liars, murderers, homosexuals, greed filled people, etc. that they claim will be in Heaven. So stupid it almost makes me throw-up!

That is about as anti-Biblical as anything I have ever read that could have been typed by supposedly sane people.

[Justaned]

Just read this as a church belief on a churches website.

About Salvation
We believe that the blood of Jesus Christ, shed on the cross, provides the sole basis for the forgiveness of sin. Therefore, God freely offers salvation to those who place their faith in the death and resurrection of Christ as sufficient payment for their sin. Salvation is a life changing moment that can't ever be reversed or undone.

That last line made me laugh out loud.

If you don't want to go to Heaven you just better not get saved - because once you do - like it or not YOU are going to Heaven. Think about all the dope heads, fornicators, prostitutes, liars, murderers, homosexuals, greed filled people, etc. that they claim will be in Heaven. So stupid it almost makes me throw-up!

That is about as anti-Biblical as anything I have ever read that could have been typed by supposedly sane people.

Well if we are born again how is that undone? How many times can a man be born again? Jesus said we must be born again. Jesus never said we must be born again over and over.

If we are born again and the old has passed away how does it come back? If we are born again and new creatures and according to you and other have lost our proclivity for sin, how does the old sin nature raise it ugly head again in a born again believer that is a new creation?

See something is wrong here with your theology. You say all men are born with a sin nature inherited from Adam and Jesus said we must be born again as new creatures, the old passes away. The old is the sin nature of man. We are free of it we are new creations according to you. But now you are saying that New creation still has the old sin nature in it and sins or is it is destined for damnation.

[Rocky]

Just read this as a church belief on a churches website.

About Salvation
We believe that the blood of Jesus Christ, shed on the cross, provides the sole basis for the forgiveness of sin. Therefore, God freely offers salvation to those who place their faith in the death and resurrection of Christ as sufficient payment for their sin. Salvation is a life changing moment that can't ever be reversed or undone.

That last line made me laugh out loud.

If you don't want to go to Heaven you just better not get saved - because once you do - like it or not YOU are going to Heaven. Think about all the dope heads, fornicators, prostitutes, liars, murderers, homosexuals, greed filled people, etc. that they claim will be in Heaven. So stupid it almost makes me throw-up!

That is about as anti-Biblical as anything I have ever read that could have been typed by supposedly sane people.

Wow that's insane. What kind of church was this?

[Justaned]

Just read this as a church belief on a churches website.

About Salvation
We believe that the blood of Jesus Christ, shed on the cross, provides the sole basis for the forgiveness of sin. Therefore, God freely offers salvation to those who place their faith in the death and resurrection of Christ as sufficient payment for their sin. Salvation is a life changing moment that can't ever be reversed or undone.

That last line made me laugh out loud.

If you don't want to go to Heaven you just better not get saved - because once you do - like it or not YOU are going to Heaven. Think about all the dope heads, fornicators, prostitutes, liars, murderers, homosexuals, greed filled people, etc. that they claim will be in Heaven. So stupid it almost makes me throw-up!

That is about as anti-Biblical as anything I have ever read that could have been typed by supposedly sane people.

Wow that's insane. What kind of church was this?

Obviously a church that believes being born again into a new Creation and grafted into the vine with Jesus living in us means more than being a Christian one day and not the next and then being a Christian the next and not the day after.
Ever wonder if Jesus gets tired moving in and out every few minutes.
Do you really think Jesus moves in and says I wonder how long I will get to stay this time. Oh there he goes using God's name in vain I'm out of here oh wait he said he is sorry I'm back.
Do you really believe that???????????

[victoryword]

Obviously a church that believes being born again into a new Creation and grafted into the vine with Jesus living in us means more than being a Christian one day and not the next and then being a Christian the next and not the day after.

That same Jesus said:

• “I am the vine. You are the branches. If anyone remains joined to me, and I to him, he will bear a lot of fruit. You can’t do anything without me. If anyone does not remain joined to me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and dries up. Branches like those are picked up. They are thrown into the fire and burned. (John 15:5-6; New International Reader's Version)

A person who is grafted into the vine must REMAIN IN THE VINE.