Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Finis Dake on "Paul's Thorn in the Flesh"

[macca]

Good discussion men,

[Ironman]

God the Father allowed Satan to tempt Jesus, (Matt. 4:3-10).

Your point?

What about Job? (Job 1:12).

Since this is a Dake forum, I'll let Dake answer that from his commentary on Job 1:12:

• Permission of God is never the same as the work of Satan after permission is granted him: withdrawing protection and allowing another to destroy is not the same as the destruction itself. God's work is that of deliverance: Satan's is that of destruction (John 10:10; Acts 10:38)." (Finis Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible, p. 522)

My Point??

First of all, I am not so dumb as to need to be reminded this is a Dake forum! And, you'll let Dake answer that??? Thank you sister Scholastica!

Wow, All I said was God allowed Satan to tempt Jesus and Job! "Problem???" or should we lesser beings just butt out all together??

[victoryword]

My Point??

First of all, I am not so dumb as to need to be reminded this is a Dake forum! And, you'll let Dake answer that??? Thank you sister Scholastica!

Wow, All I said was God allowed Satan to tempt Jesus and Job! "Problem???" or should we lesser beings just butt out all together??

First, you are NOT a "lesser being". You are a child of God. If you are a "lessr being" than you are the greatest in the Kingdom. However, you really need to work on your temper. Second, clarify your points. Don't just say stuff without explaining what you mean and then becoming upset when you are asked to make your point clear.

[victoryword]

Bibleman says we never need to interpret the Bible per "Dake" just read it literally and accept it. Now you are saying we must interpret it and do so with an eastern perspective. Now while I may understand what you are saying and while I tend to agree that violates everything Bibleman has preached per Dake on taking the Bible literally.

Dake did not say that and I doubt that Bibleman said that. Dake said (and I am quoting fro memory since and don't have access to his writings right now) that you are to take the Bible literally and whenever there is something in Scripture that is figurative then you are to get its literal meaning.

[Ironman]

My Point??

First of all, I am not so dumb as to need to be reminded this is a Dake forum! And, you'll let Dake answer that??? Thank you sister Scholastica!

Wow, All I said was God allowed Satan to tempt Jesus and Job! "Problem???" or should we lesser beings just butt out all together??

First, you are NOT a "lesser being". You are a child of God. If you are a "lessr being" than you are the greatest in the Kingdom. However, you really need to work on your temper. Second, clarify your points. Don't just say stuff without explaining what you mean and then becoming upset when you are asked to make your point clear.

Tell me what needs explaining about a simple statement, God the Father allowed Satan to temp Job and Jesus?

You remind me of person I asked on a catholic board I asked, Show me one Scripture where it is stated, Mary was assumed bodily into Heaven, and Mary was born without sin. The reply I recieved was, Show me one Scripture that says she wasn't? And later, when I said you cannot find one because there are none he said, "My point ?"

"First, you are NOT a "lesser being". You are a child of God. If you are a "lessr being" than you are the greatest in the Kingdom."

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I dont know who or what you are, I am a simple coal miner, retired, I never assumed that I was the greatest in the kingdom or at anything else, and I dont have anger issues, I do say it like it is, and, I dont like being treated like a school child.

I am 67 years old and have seen more ofreal life than you probably have had dinners. If I make a simple statement, something that just came into my mind at the time, surely I dont have to go on with mind numbing retoric explaining something as simple as 1 + 1 = 2 ????? If your as cleaver as you make out, maybe you should have got my point, that I just said this, nothing more? Said (without anger).

And FYI., you believe this,

" Jesus reflects God's character and Father God is exactly like Jesus."

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Not quite right. According to Jesus, "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: FOR MY FATER IS GREATER THAN I.".

Jesus does refelct God's character but, they not EXACTLY THE SAME, are they?

I can think, do not know or understand everything but, I do know some things!

[victoryword]

Dake's notes on Exodus 15:26 makes an excellent point on how we must interpret OT Scripture that appears to make God the cause of any particular evil:

• b God is responsible for disease only in the sense of making the law of sowing and reaping (Gal. 6:7-8); making penalties for sin (Ex. 15:26; 23:22-25; Lev. 26; Dt. 28); and permitting agencies with the power to execute the curse on man to have their way (Job 1:6-22; 2:1-13; 42:10; Ps. 91; Lk. 13:16; Jn. 10:10; Acts 10:38; Heb. 2:14-15; Rev. 9:1-12). If there had been no sin there would be no curse. When Christ reigns on earth there will be no sickness (Isa. 33:24; 35:5-6). When God's will is done on earth as in heaven, there will be no curse (Rev. 21:1 -- Rev. 22:6).
  Dake's Annotated Reference Bible.