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Re: Non Christians

Post by bibleman » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:18 am

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
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I don't think you can make the case that any other the listed ministries were directed solely at Sodomites. If some seed fails to fall on good ground, that's acceptable. But, deliberately wasting seed on bad ground isn't wise. Not all sinners are bad ground, but some are. "A group of homosexuals who are abusing children sexually while forcing the children to smoke dope getting them high so there is not so much resistance" aren't good ground. Don't give that which is holy to the dogs.

Yes, Jesus came to call sinners to repentance, but He wasn't sent to all sinners (at that time). His mission was to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. He was selective in carrying out His mission.
Roger,

"A group of homosexuals who are abusing children sexually while forcing the children to smoke dope getting them high so there is not so much resistance" aren't good ground. Don't give that which is holy to the dogs.

So you would not preach the Gospel to them or tell them to stop what they are doing and repent?
If they are in the act of abusing children sexually, I don't think preaching the gospel to them would be the first thing on my mind. I'd call the authorities.

Telling them to stop what they're doing and repent is definitely an option. I doubt that would be effective. There's not much hope for a rabid dog.
Roger,

How would you feel about a church that preaches the Gospel with instruction in righteousness on Sundays and then opens their doors to anyone sinners included?

In lieu of the fact that we should not give that which is Holy to the Dogs shouldn't Churches refuse entrance to sinners?


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Re: Non Christians

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:47 pm

bibleman wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:18 am
Roger,

How would you feel about a church that preaches the Gospel with instruction in righteousness on Sundays and then opens their doors to anyone sinners included?

In lieu of the fact that we should not give that which is Holy to the Dogs shouldn't Churches refuse entrance to sinners?
Not all sinners are called "dogs" in the Bible. The "dogs" are just a small subset of the larger group. So, it wouldn't be right to refuse entrance to all sinners.

However, there are some that should not be welcomed, such as the man who had his fathers wife in 1st Corinthians 5. Some sins rise to a level where allowing those that are committing them to come to church is actually cruel to them. They need to be given over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that they may be saved.

Basically, anyone known as one who commits death penalty sins who has not proven their repentance by their deeds ought to be refused.



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Re: Non Christians

Post by bibleman » Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:17 pm

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:47 pm
bibleman wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:18 am
Roger,

How would you feel about a church that preaches the Gospel with instruction in righteousness on Sundays and then opens their doors to anyone sinners included?

In lieu of the fact that we should not give that which is Holy to the Dogs shouldn't Churches refuse entrance to sinners?
Not all sinners are called "dogs" in the Bible. The "dogs" are just a small subset of the larger group. So, it wouldn't be right to refuse entrance to all sinners.

However, there are some that should not be welcomed, such as the man who had his fathers wife in 1st Corinthians 5. Some sins rise to a level where allowing those that are committing them to come to church is actually cruel to them. They need to be given over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that they may be saved.

Basically, anyone known as one who commits death penalty sins who has not proven their repentance by their deeds ought to be refused.
So you would say that all of the folks who commit these sins should be forbidden to come to church?

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


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Re: Non Christians

Post by branham1965 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:15 pm

Charles G.Finney called that CENSORIOUSNESS.It is defined as marked by or given to censure,critical etc.

Can you imagine if Pastor Parsley or Rich Nathan practiced that!!!!

My Pastor could handle the hardest of cases because he had Power with God.He ministered in over 48 nations preaching and praying for people (Mark 16:15ff)with Morris Cerullo and Dr.Alexander Ness of Canada.
Can you imagine Dad Hagin or Kenneth Copeland talking like that!!!!!!!!
Can you imagine Reverend Ernest Angley closing the Cathedral to sinners!!!Not to go to Africa and take the Jesus Ministry all over the world!!!
I would not be the one to lay that on the man of God.

The Lord Jesus Christ is not here to call the modern day Pharissees,Sadducees and the Luke18:9-14 crowd.

JESUS CHRIST loves people .He is here to minister life not death to hurting people JESUS heals broken people .He loves sinners and wants them to receive Him. Read Luke 4:18,Acts 10:38. JESUS preached and preaches the acceptable year of the Lord.The gospel of reconciliation.
Not beating people over the head with the Bible.



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Re: Non Christians

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:16 pm

bibleman wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:18 am
Roger,

How would you feel about a church that preaches the Gospel with instruction in righteousness on Sundays and then opens their doors to anyone sinners included?

In lieu of the fact that we should not give that which is Holy to the Dogs shouldn't Churches refuse entrance to sinners?
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:47 pm
Not all sinners are called "dogs" in the Bible. The "dogs" are just a small subset of the larger group. So, it wouldn't be right to refuse entrance to all sinners.

However, there are some that should not be welcomed, such as the man who had his fathers wife in 1st Corinthians 5. Some sins rise to a level where allowing those that are committing them to come to church is actually cruel to them. They need to be given over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that they may be saved.

Basically, anyone known as one who commits death penalty sins who has not proven their repentance by their deeds ought to be refused.
bibleman wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:17 pm
So you would say that all of the folks who commit these sins should be forbidden to come to church?

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Yes. If they are known to be committing these crimes and have not proven their repentance by their deeds.



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Re: Non Christians

Post by Hill Top » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:10 am

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:47 pm

Basically, anyone known as one who commits death penalty sins who has not proven their repentance by their deeds ought to be refused.
Any sin that one won't permanently quit committing is a "death penalty sin".
"For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death." (2 Cor 7:10)



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Re: Non Christians

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:29 am

Hill Top wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:10 am
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:47 pm

Basically, anyone known as one who commits death penalty sins who has not proven their repentance by their deeds ought to be refused.
Any sin that one won't permanently quit committing is a "death penalty sin".
"For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death." (2 Cor 7:10)
We could debate that, but the fact remains that it would be difficult to refuse admittance to church to those whom we do not know are committing grievous sins.



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Re: Non Christians

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:10 am

branham1965 wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:15 pm
Charles G.Finney called that CENSORIOUSNESS.It is defined as marked by or given to censure,critical etc.

Can you imagine if Pastor Parsley or Rich Nathan practiced that!!!!

My Pastor could handle the hardest of cases because he had Power with God.He ministered in over 48 nations preaching and praying for people (Mark 16:15ff)with Morris Cerullo and Dr.Alexander Ness of Canada.
Can you imagine Dad Hagin or Kenneth Copeland talking like that!!!!!!!!
Can you imagine Reverend Ernest Angley closing the Cathedral to sinners!!!Not to go to Africa and take the Jesus Ministry all over the world!!!
I would not be the one to lay that on the man of God.

The Lord Jesus Christ is not here to call the modern day Pharissees,Sadducees and the Luke18:9-14 crowd.

JESUS CHRIST loves people .He is here to minister life not death to hurting people JESUS heals broken people .He loves sinners and wants them to receive Him. Read Luke 4:18,Acts 10:38. JESUS preached and preaches the acceptable year of the Lord.The gospel of reconciliation.
Not beating people over the head with the Bible.
Jesus is also angry with the wicked every day and He hates all workers of iniquity. He is the one holding the keys to Hell where untold multitudes that died in sin are tortured in His presence as He rejoices over their ongoing destruction. Those that refuse to truly repent may find themselves unable to repent, later. Others are already in in that state.



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Re: Non Christians

Post by luchnia » Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:30 am

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:16 pm
bibleman wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:18 am
Roger,

How would you feel about a church that preaches the Gospel with instruction in righteousness on Sundays and then opens their doors to anyone sinners included?

In lieu of the fact that we should not give that which is Holy to the Dogs shouldn't Churches refuse entrance to sinners?
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:47 pm
Not all sinners are called "dogs" in the Bible. The "dogs" are just a small subset of the larger group. So, it wouldn't be right to refuse entrance to all sinners.

However, there are some that should not be welcomed, such as the man who had his fathers wife in 1st Corinthians 5. Some sins rise to a level where allowing those that are committing them to come to church is actually cruel to them. They need to be given over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that they may be saved.

Basically, anyone known as one who commits death penalty sins who has not proven their repentance by their deeds ought to be refused.
bibleman wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:17 pm
So you would say that all of the folks who commit these sins should be forbidden to come to church?

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Yes. If they are known to be committing these crimes and have not proven their repentance by their deeds.
One is not to even as much as associate with darkness. One is to even abstain from the appearance of such things. Not too long ago I did a thread on this mixing of the saints with sinners. The Church is HIS body and not a body of evil and darkness and schism. If a sinner comes in, he or she better be coming in conversion and not in sin.

The mixing of evangelism and the gathering was never done by Jesus or any of the other great people of God. Why men do it today is astounding and it will never work because it is not the biblical mandate. These things are as different as night is with day, yet men have made them "one" somehow and mingled what God did not mingle.

The bible is clear about the position the sinner holds and it is not in fellowship or "gathering" with the saints of God. The bible is also clear on what is to be done with one that is in sin. Of course we know men did not heed the message then, why would it be any different today?

Here are some questions to ponder. What happened to anyone in the body of Christ that fell away and turned over to sin? Did Peter give Ananias and Sapphira a group hug and ask them to come back to the fold? The way saints accept the evil doers today in the name of the Lord and so-called love is beyond comprehension and if you dare call them out on it, you are tagged as the problem!


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Re: Non Christians

Post by branham1965 » Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:47 pm

Not you too.Sighs.
luchnia wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:30 am
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:16 pm
bibleman wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:18 am
Roger,

How would you feel about a church that preaches the Gospel with instruction in righteousness on Sundays and then opens their doors to anyone sinners included?

In lieu of the fact that we should not give that which is Holy to the Dogs shouldn't Churches refuse entrance to sinners?
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:47 pm
Not all sinners are called "dogs" in the Bible. The "dogs" are just a small subset of the larger group. So, it wouldn't be right to refuse entrance to all sinners.

However, there are some that should not be welcomed, such as the man who had his fathers wife in 1st Corinthians 5. Some sins rise to a level where allowing those that are committing them to come to church is actually cruel to them. They need to be given over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that they may be saved.

Basically, anyone known as one who commits death penalty sins who has not proven their repentance by their deeds ought to be refused.
bibleman wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:17 pm
So you would say that all of the folks who commit these sins should be forbidden to come to church?

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Yes. If they are known to be committing these crimes and have not proven their repentance by their deeds.
One is not to even as much as associate with darkness. One is to even abstain from the appearance of such things. Not too long ago I did a thread on this mixing of the saints with sinners. The Church is HIS body and not a body of evil and darkness and schism. If a sinner comes in, he or she better be coming in conversion and not in sin.

The mixing of evangelism and the gathering was never done by Jesus or any of the other great people of God. Why men do it today is astounding and it will never work because it is not the biblical mandate. These things are as different as night is with day, yet men have made them "one" somehow and mingled what God did not mingle.

The bible is clear about the position the sinner holds and it is not in fellowship or "gathering" with the saints of God. The bible is also clear on what is to be done with one that is in sin. Of course we know men did not heed the message then, why would it be any different today?

Here are some questions to ponder. What happened to anyone in the body of Christ that fell away and turned over to sin? Did Peter give Ananias and Sapphira a group hug and ask them to come back to the fold? The way saints accept the evil doers today in the name of the Lord and so-called love is beyond comprehension and if you dare call them out on it, you are tagged as the problem!



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