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Re: WHAT THE NEW BIRTH IS

Post by Hill Top » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:38 pm

branham1965 wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:49 pm
Once again you are presuming to know me.
You are your testimony.
But a loving and merciful God has allowed us all to change our destiny with repentance from sin and rebirth.



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Re: WHAT THE NEW BIRTH IS

Post by Hill Top » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:44 pm

Ironman wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:09 pm
Act 2:21
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Shall we go ahead seventeen verses and see why/where that is put into effect?
Acts 2:38..."Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Another time, this was said..."And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." (Acts 22:16)



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Re: WHAT THE NEW BIRTH IS

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:48 pm

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:03 pm
branham1965 wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:49 pm
Once again you are presuming to know me.
Hi, Billy,

What do you believe is necessary for an individual to be saved? Do you believe that an individual needs to be free from sin? From the desire to sin?
branham1965 wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:45 pm
Never mind.
OK.


Acts 10:42-43 King James Version
"And He commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is He which was ordained of God to be the Judge of Quick and Dead. To Him give all the Prophets witness, that through His Name WHOSEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHALL RECEIVE REMISSION OF SINS."

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Re: WHAT THE NEW BIRTH IS

Post by branham1965 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:09 am

You acts as if i have never heard that before.

I was a member of 3 Churches that taught baptismal regeneration.

It is age old heresy of Baptismal Regeneration.
Get a DAKE BIBLE.
- FORGIVENESS NOT BY WATER notes Matthew 3:11
- EXAMPLES OF GOD HEARING SINNERS notes JOHN 9:31
- NOTES ON ACTS 2:38 Greek word eis means because of remission
remission is granted by repentance and faith in the Blood of Jesus. Notes on Acts 22:16 Baptism did not remit Paul's sins
Notes on Romans 6 etc.etc.

In God's Plan For Man on page 536 he says
Headings only:
1.No intelligent man can believe it remits sins" the whole system of salvation by baptism rests on a perversion of the word of God."
2.Such a theory takes salvation out of the hands of Christ and places it in the hands of other mediators between God and man ,the administrators of baptism.
3.Baptismal regeneration limits the efficacy of the blood of Christ to the physical element of water.
4.Remission of sins by water baptism recereses the whole order of the gospel which is repentance and faith before baptism.
5.It contradicts hundreds of Scriptures ,which say that sins are remitted and says that men are saved ,justified,sanctified ,and washed from sins ...

Get a Dake Bible and a copy of God's Plan for Man.


Hill Top wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:44 pm
Ironman wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:09 pm
Act 2:21
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Shall we go ahead seventeen verses and see why/where that is put into effect?
Acts 2:38..."Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Another time, this was said..."And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." (Acts 22:16)



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Re: WHAT THE NEW BIRTH IS

Post by branham1965 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:37 am

Roger

Reverend Dake has a prayer for forgiveness under how to pray on page 30 in GPFM.Not everyone knows how.

in GPFM on page 30.My uncle prayed that while studying GPFM and found the Lord.
Reverend Dake talked about " praying through " on his tapes.
And i answer your questions 2 and 3 affirmative of course.
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:48 pm
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:03 pm
branham1965 wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:49 pm
Once again you are presuming to know me.
Hi, Billy,

What do you believe is necessary for an individual to be saved? Do you believe that an individual needs to be free from sin? From the desire to sin?
branham1965 wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:45 pm
Never mind.
OK.



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Re: WHAT THE NEW BIRTH IS

Post by Spiritblade Disciple » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:40 pm

Ironman wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:09 pm
Act 2:21
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Why will it come to pass? There's a time that will come when whosoever shall call upon His Name shall do it correctly, rather than simply taking His Name in vain as those who call upon His Name ineffectively do.

Psalm 18:41 King James Version
They cried, but there was none to save them: even unto the LORD, but He answered them not.

Matthew 7:21 King James Version
"Not every one that saith unto Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in Heaven."
[saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven] No person merely professing faith in Me and My atoning work will be saved, "but he that doeth the will of My Father" (Mt. 7:21; 1Pet. 4:18; Heb. 12:14; Jas. 1:19-27; Rom. 6:16-23; 8:12-13).

— Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text.
Is confessing sin enough? Or is forsaking sin necessary?

Proverbs 28:13 King James Version
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

1 John 3:7-10 King James Version
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Those that sin aren't saved. Those that call on Him, even confessing their sins, aren't heard if they still regard iniquity (desire to sin) in their heart.

Psalm 66:18 King James Version
If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me
[If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me] Regarding iniquity in the heart is the reason for many unanswered prayers. The writer says, If I had seen iniquity in my heart and encouraged it; if I had pretended to be what I was not; and if I had loved iniquity while I professed to pray and be sorry for my sin, the Lord (Hebrew: 'Adonay (HSN-<H136>), Supporter) would not have heard me. I would have been left without His help and support in my time of trouble. See 1Jn. 3:20-22; 5:14-15.

— Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text.
Those that have sinful desires are not saved because those that are Christ's have crucified the flesh and its sinful desires.

Galatians 5:24 King James Version
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

As Dake says, "All true Christians have done this" (crucified the flesh with its affections and lusts).

Of the untold numbers who have prayed the Sinner's Prayer, it is very likely that the vast majority have never been saved.

May His Kingdom come and His will be done, in Earth as in Heaven.


Acts 10:42-43 King James Version
"And He commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is He which was ordained of God to be the Judge of Quick and Dead. To Him give all the Prophets witness, that through His Name WHOSEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHALL RECEIVE REMISSION OF SINS."

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Re: WHAT THE NEW BIRTH IS

Post by branham1965 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:38 am

Roger,

Some one in the 1800's once called a rival preacher of his day "the great paraphraser".

That is exactly what you are doing with the Scriptures here.

Being tempted to sin even pressed to do something is not sin until it is acted upon and finished.
The person being tempted is under attack.People here completely ignore the malevolent evil unseen forces working to destroy people.

Do you really want to shut the door of grace and mercy in peoples faces???

I mean its not bad enough that people are under constant attack from demon power ,their flesh and the world....

Hurt people need real PASTORAL PRAYER,LOVE , COUNSELING AND HELP.



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Re: WHAT THE NEW BIRTH IS

Post by luchnia » Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:00 am

Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:40 pm
Ironman wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:09 pm
Act 2:21
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Why will it come to pass? There's a time that will come when whosoever shall call upon His Name shall do it correctly, rather than simply taking His Name in vain as those who call upon His Name ineffectively do.

Psalm 18:41 King James Version
They cried, but there was none to save them: even unto the LORD, but He answered them not.

Matthew 7:21 King James Version
"Not every one that saith unto Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in Heaven."
[saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven] No person merely professing faith in Me and My atoning work will be saved, "but he that doeth the will of My Father" (Mt. 7:21; 1Pet. 4:18; Heb. 12:14; Jas. 1:19-27; Rom. 6:16-23; 8:12-13).

— Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text.
Is confessing sin enough? Or is forsaking sin necessary?

Proverbs 28:13 King James Version
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

1 John 3:7-10 King James Version
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Those that sin aren't saved. Those that call on Him, even confessing their sins, aren't heard if they still regard iniquity (desire to sin) in their heart.

Psalm 66:18 King James Version
If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me
[If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me] Regarding iniquity in the heart is the reason for many unanswered prayers. The writer says, If I had seen iniquity in my heart and encouraged it; if I had pretended to be what I was not; and if I had loved iniquity while I professed to pray and be sorry for my sin, the Lord (Hebrew: 'Adonay (HSN-<H136>), Supporter) would not have heard me. I would have been left without His help and support in my time of trouble. See 1Jn. 3:20-22; 5:14-15.

— Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text.
Those that have sinful desires are not saved because those that are Christ's have crucified the flesh and its sinful desires.

Galatians 5:24 King James Version
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

As Dake says, "All true Christians have done this" (crucified the flesh with its affections and lusts).

Of the untold numbers who have prayed the Sinner's Prayer, it is very likely that the vast majority have never been saved.

May His Kingdom come and His will be done, in Earth as in Heaven.
:angel:


Word up!

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Re: WHAT THE NEW BIRTH IS

Post by luchnia » Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:08 am

branham1965 wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:37 am
Roger

Reverend Dake has a prayer for forgiveness under how to pray on page 30 in GPFM.Not everyone knows how.

in GPFM on page 30.My uncle prayed that while studying GPFM and found the Lord.
Reverend Dake talked about " praying through " on his tapes.
And i answer your questions 2 and 3 affirmative of course.
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:48 pm
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:03 pm
branham1965 wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:49 pm
Once again you are presuming to know me.
Hi, Billy,

What do you believe is necessary for an individual to be saved? Do you believe that an individual needs to be free from sin? From the desire to sin?
branham1965 wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:45 pm
Never mind.
OK.
There is a difference between saying a prayer and meaning a prayer. No amount of praying will convert a man that doesn't believe what he is saying. That is a prayer of forsaking sin and full consecration to God's service. It is awesome that your uncle believed in his heart and was converted! Praise God for the salvation your uncle received.


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Re: WHAT THE NEW BIRTH IS

Post by branham1965 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:17 am

I certainly agree that a person must mean his prayers from his heart or they fall to the ground.

Jesus said the proud Pharisee in Luke 18:11 "stood and prayed thus with himself.."
I am not understanding why you guys are harping on it.Are you referring to me??If so please just tell me so.
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luchnia wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:08 am
branham1965 wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:37 am
Roger

Reverend Dake has a prayer for forgiveness under how to pray on page 30 in GPFM.Not everyone knows how.

in GPFM on page 30.My uncle prayed that while studying GPFM and found the Lord.
Reverend Dake talked about " praying through " on his tapes.
And i answer your questions 2 and 3 affirmative of course.
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:48 pm
Spiritblade Disciple wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:03 pm
branham1965 wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:49 pm
Once again you are presuming to know me.
Hi, Billy,

What do you believe is necessary for an individual to be saved? Do you believe that an individual needs to be free from sin? From the desire to sin?
branham1965 wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:45 pm
Never mind.
OK.
There is a difference between saying a prayer and meaning a prayer. No amount of praying will convert a man that doesn't believe what he is saying. That is a prayer of forsaking sin and full consecration to God's service. It is awesome that your uncle believed in his heart and was converted! Praise God for the salvation your uncle received.
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