Well Billybranham1965 wrote:ANYONE SAYING THAT IS NOT THE BIRTH OF CHRIST IS READING SOME WINDBAGS BOOKS LIKE LARKIN OR WHOEVER.ITS ALL NONSENSE DOLPH +piefacedolph wrote:This is a great example of Mr. Dake's brilliance. Just look up manchild in your concordance and you find the key to the puzzle.
Isaiah 66:7-8
7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a MANCHILD. 8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
When Jesus describes His return following the tribulation in the Olivet discourse He calls it a time of troubles. The Greek means birth pangs. This begs the question, Who is being born. The answer is twofold: The 144,000 Jews are sealed in C.7 of Revelation, born again in 12:5 as the manchild, seen in Heaven in C.14. (before her pain, the great tribulation, the 144,000 was delivered). The second birth is all Israel being saved when the Jews see the holes in Christ's hands (Zech.12:10; 13:6) at the second advent after they had fled to the wilderness. Paul said all Israel will be saved, Rom. 11:25,26.
Christ's birth is not part of the narrative in any way.
I guess you would have to include Dake as a winbac as well because he also agrees with the fact that the manchild is the 144,000.