Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Swaggart says David was saved without asking for forgiveness

[bibleman]

At about 34:00 on this video...

Jimmy Swaggart says that David was saved after commiting adultery with Bathsheba even without asking for forgiveness.

So much for the message of the cross.

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[titus213]

So apparently "the message of the cross" means you can get away with murder. Literally.

Francis also claims "God knew David would repent" -- so, is she suggesting that's why "He allowed Satan to get to David"??? David's foreseen repentance somehow makes it better? I wonder what Uriah or the baby born from the adultery would think about that.

As I've said before, given his past I get why Swaggart wants to find reasons to exonerate David and find a message of quick-and-easy-no-questions-asked forgiveness. But even Bro. Jimmy would have to see that David lived with the consequences and ripple effect of his sin as evidenced in his own family. I'm surprised Swaggart is blind to the ripple effect in HIS own family!

I guess he has a huge ego that needs to keep fed by his "ministry", which requires $$$.

Cynical? Yup.

[branham1965]

I cannot see the point in being so harsh on him and his family.



Dad Hagin taught us to walk in love.And he lived it 24/7 365 days a year.i heard Brother Swaggart really talking him up saying great things about him =Dad Hagin in an old crusade from the 80's.

Then it..... changed.

Dad Hagin used to pray for people who were cruel and ugly to him.those who spoke evil of him.

some used to say how can you let them do that to you???

that is so weak.

He just smiled and walked in love and the glory of God.

Someone once told him so and so said this about you.he said that's sad isn't it.that was it .he lived 1 Corinthians 13.
and then they all went swimming.

[branham1965]

David was King of Israel.when he was confronted by Nathan he said by the Holy Ghost I HAVE SINNED AGAINST THE LORD.


i mean by His mighty Conviction on the King in other words.

The Bible is a Holy Ghost Book. All of it is from God.2 Tim 3:16


Nathan said God hath put away thy sin.


yet David suffered for this for the rest of his life.

[branham1965]

i never heard him or her once say that he did not confess his sin.and as far as David being greatly attacked by the devil he was.
he gave the enemies of Jehovah occasion to blaspheme.and was forgiven.yet he was severely punished.Hebrews 12.

At about 34:00 on this video...

Jimmy Swaggart says that David was saved after commiting adultery with Bathsheba even without asking for forgiveness.

So much for the message of the cross.

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[titus213]

Listening to that segment again, it almost sounds like they're saying "poor David" . . .

"If we had Satan come after us like God permitted him to go after David . . . " -- what, we would do the same thing? So it's really Satan who made David do it? And behind him was God, who knew Satan would overpower David but let him go ahead anyway? Why would He do that?

Well, Frances has the answer:

Frances: "God knew David's heart, even after this we're told that many times in Scripture . . .and that he would repent when confronted". Actually, Frances, we're told that only 1 time in Scripture after this tragedy, and that's in Acts 13 which quotes the comment God made when He first chose David BEFORE his sin. Also, what you accuse God of is aiding and abetting sin as long as the sinner will turn back to Him at some point.

Jimmy: "No true Christian wants to commit sin". Really? Then why do they, if they don't want to? David obviously wanted to commit sin or he would not have done so. Or are you suggesting, Jimmy, that poor David had no real say-so in the matter, since God had decided to let Satan go after him?

[bibleman]

Listening to that segment again, it almost sounds like they're saying "poor David" . . .

"If we had Satan come after us like God permitted him to go after David . . . " -- what, we would do the same thing? So it's really Satan who made David do it? And behind him was God, who knew Satan would overpower David but let him go ahead anyway? Why would He do that?

Well, Frances has the answer:

Frances: "God knew David's heart, even after this we're told that many times in Scripture . . .and that he would repent when confronted". Actually, Frances, we're told that only 1 time in Scripture after this tragedy, and that's in Acts 13 which quotes the comment God made when He first chose David BEFORE his sin. Also, what you accuse God of is aiding and abetting sin as long as the sinner will turn back to Him at some point.

Jimmy: "No true Christian wants to commit sin". Really? Then why do they, if they don't want to? David obviously wanted to commit sin or he would not have done so. Or are you suggesting, Jimmy, that poor David had no real say-so in the matter, since God had decided to let Satan go after him?

Above you quoted Swaggart as saying:

"If we had Satan come after us like God permitted him to go after David . . . " -- what, we would do the same thing? So it's really Satan who made David do it? And behind him was God, who knew Satan would overpower David but let him go ahead anyway? Why would He do that?

If you think about it... Jimmy is really reading (what he feels) about his own life into the life of David.

To this day Swaggart claims - He Could Not Help It!

[branham1965]

Throw stones at him.

[branham1965]

we hear what we want to hear.especially if we don not like someone.

Listening to that segment again, it almost sounds like they're saying "poor David" . . .

"If we had Satan come after us like God permitted him to go after David . . . " -- what, we would do the same thing? So it's really Satan who made David do it? And behind him was God, who knew Satan would overpower David but let him go ahead anyway? Why would He do that?

Well, Frances has the answer:

Frances: "God knew David's heart, even after this we're told that many times in Scripture . . .and that he would repent when confronted". Actually, Frances, we're told that only 1 time in Scripture after this tragedy, and that's in Acts 13 which quotes the comment God made when He first chose David BEFORE his sin. Also, what you accuse God of is aiding and abetting sin as long as the sinner will turn back to Him at some point.

Jimmy: "No true Christian wants to commit sin". Really? Then why do they, if they don't want to? David obviously wanted to commit sin or he would not have done so. Or are you suggesting, Jimmy, that poor David had no real say-so in the matter, since God had decided to let Satan go after him?

[Ironman]

I heard Reverend Dake one time say, ('I don't remember this word for word'), but he said in a lesson he was giving something like this;

"We love all men who are doing God's work even though some if not most are in error in some way on some doctrins, especially when preaching about God Himself, and the trinity."

Practicly faultless, that man!