Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Does this sound like once saved always saved to you?

[bibleman]

According to Hebrews 6 and Hebrew 10 that is not how it works. While both are in sin one has accepted and rejected Jesus payment for their sin and there isn't anything left for them to call upon. The other has not and still has a chance at salvation should the Holy Spirit quicken their heart to the truth of Jesus.
I guess what I'm saying is what Jesus said no comes to Him unless they are first called by the Father and the Holy Spirit only calls once.

What you are missing Ed,...

Is that the person that has rejected Jesus payment can REPENT and accept Jesus payment for sin.

So the truth remains!

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

What makes them repent?

Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

[Justaned]

According to Hebrews 6 and Hebrew 10 that is not how it works. While both are in sin one has accepted and rejected Jesus payment for their sin and there isn't anything left for them to call upon. The other has not and still has a chance at salvation should the Holy Spirit quicken their heart to the truth of Jesus.
I guess what I'm saying is what Jesus said no comes to Him unless they are first called by the Father and the Holy Spirit only calls once.

What you are missing Ed,...

Is that the person that has rejected Jesus payment can REPENT and accept Jesus payment for sin.

So the truth remains!

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

What makes them repent?

Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Very good at concordance searches but we both know it is Holy Spirit.
Now the question is will the Holy Spirit draw a person into repentance and salvation the second time in violation to Hebrews 6 and Hebrew 10 or will they never feel the call for such again?

[bibleman]

According to Hebrews 6 and Hebrew 10 that is not how it works. While both are in sin one has accepted and rejected Jesus payment for their sin and there isn't anything left for them to call upon. The other has not and still has a chance at salvation should the Holy Spirit quicken their heart to the truth of Jesus.
I guess what I'm saying is what Jesus said no comes to Him unless they are first called by the Father and the Holy Spirit only calls once.

What you are missing Ed,...

Is that the person that has rejected Jesus payment can REPENT and accept Jesus payment for sin.

So the truth remains!

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

What makes them repent?

Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Very good at concordance searches but we both know it is Holy Spirit.
Now the question is will the Holy Spirit draw a person into repentance and salvation the second time in violation to Hebrews 6 and Hebrew 10 or will they never feel the call for such again?

Well, of course I don't agree with your supposition but YES men and women (SINNERS) are drawn to God UNLESS they have blasphemed the Holy Spirit!

There is only one unpardonable sin.

[Justaned]

According to Hebrews 6 and Hebrew 10 that is not how it works. While both are in sin one has accepted and rejected Jesus payment for their sin and there isn't anything left for them to call upon. The other has not and still has a chance at salvation should the Holy Spirit quicken their heart to the truth of Jesus.
I guess what I'm saying is what Jesus said no comes to Him unless they are first called by the Father and the Holy Spirit only calls once.

What you are missing Ed,...

Is that the person that has rejected Jesus payment can REPENT and accept Jesus payment for sin.

So the truth remains!

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

What makes them repent?

Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Very good at concordance searches but we both know it is Holy Spirit.
Now the question is will the Holy Spirit draw a person into repentance and salvation the second time in violation to Hebrews 6 and Hebrew 10 or will they never feel the call for such again?

Well, of course I don't agree with your supposition but YES men and women (SINNERS) are drawn to God UNLESS they have blasphemed the Holy Spirit!

There is only one unpardonable sin.

Are all people drawn? If so why not have more saved?

[bibleman]

According to Hebrews 6 and Hebrew 10 that is not how it works. While both are in sin one has accepted and rejected Jesus payment for their sin and there isn't anything left for them to call upon. The other has not and still has a chance at salvation should the Holy Spirit quicken their heart to the truth of Jesus.
I guess what I'm saying is what Jesus said no comes to Him unless they are first called by the Father and the Holy Spirit only calls once.

What you are missing Ed,...

Is that the person that has rejected Jesus payment can REPENT and accept Jesus payment for sin.

So the truth remains!

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

What makes them repent?

Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Very good at concordance searches but we both know it is Holy Spirit.
Now the question is will the Holy Spirit draw a person into repentance and salvation the second time in violation to Hebrews 6 and Hebrew 10 or will they never feel the call for such again?

Well, of course I don't agree with your supposition but YES men and women (SINNERS) are drawn to God UNLESS they have blasphemed the Holy Spirit!

There is only one unpardonable sin.

Are all people drawn? If so why not have more saved?

More are not saved because more have not believed.

1 Corinthians 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

[Rocky]

I disagree with OSAS because I believe a Christian can lose his or her salvation. I just don't believe it can then ever be regained again. Do you see that mentioned any where in scripture?

[Rocky]

Ed I do want to point something out to you if I may.
Ed your understanding of all of this is off because of the double talk. Here let me explains
You have said I disagree with OSAS because a Christian can lose their salvation, but you believe if they lose it they can never be brought back. Ok what if some one came to Christ but then for a few years went back in to sin, then repented and came back to the Lord? I have asked you this in another thread a couple of months ago and you said and I quote then "they were not really saved to begin with". But you said a Christian can backslide. Ok at what point does a Christian lose their salvation? . And how much sin is a Christian allowed than before this takes place?

[Justaned]

Ed I do want to point something out to you if I may.
Ed your understanding of all of this is off because of the double talk. Here let me explains
You have said I disagree with OSAS because a Christian can lose their salvation, but you believe if they lose it they can never be brought back. Ok what if some one came to Christ but then for a few years went back in to sin, then repented and came back to the Lord? I have asked you this in another thread a couple of months ago and you said and I quote then "they were not really saved to begin with". But you said a Christian can backslide. Ok at what point does a Christian lose their salvation? . And how much sin is a Christian allowed than before this takes place?

Rocky
That is an age old question, how much sin can a person have in their life and still be saved.

Is it one use of God's name in vain? Or perhaps two?

Is it just looking at a woman? Or do you have to act on it?

Sin is sin however not all sin is intentional nor do I believe makes you loss your salvation.

If a person reacting to an extreme emotional situation blurts out God's name in vain is that the same as a person that planed to commit adultery lied to his wife to commit adultery and then finally committed adultery?

Or what about the person the momentarily considers himself before his brother is that the same as a man that planned stalked and killed his brother?

What about the guy that steals a loaf of bread to feed his hungry child is that the same as guy that extorts, steals and commits fraud to gain more wealth?

It is all sin.

I don't know the answer to these questions nor do you. Only God knows how He will judge each one.

But I do know that Hebrews 10:26 (NLT)
26 Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins.

Rocky answer this question what is the difference between OSAS that says sin does not cost us our salvation and the person that says you can sin then repent and be saved and then sin and repent and be saved and sin and repent and be saved and sin and repent and be saved. What is the exact difference?

[Rocky]

Ed I do want to point something out to you if I may.
Ed your understanding of all of this is off because of the double talk. Here let me explains
You have said I disagree with OSAS because a Christian can lose their salvation, but you believe if they lose it they can never be brought back. Ok what if some one came to Christ but then for a few years went back in to sin, then repented and came back to the Lord? I have asked you this in another thread a couple of months ago and you said and I quote then "they were not really saved to begin with". But you said a Christian can backslide. Ok at what point does a Christian lose their salvation? . And how much sin is a Christian allowed than before this takes place?

Rocky
That is an age old question, how much sin can a person have in their life and still be saved.

Is it one use of God's name in vain? Or perhaps two?

Is it just looking at a woman? Or do you have to act on it?

Sin is sin however not all sin is intentional nor do I believe makes you loss your salvation.

If a person reacting to an extreme emotional situation blurts out God's name in vain is that the same as a person that planed to commit adultery lied to his wife to commit adultery and then finally committed adultery?

Or what about the person the momentarily considers himself before his brother is that the same as a man that planned stalked and killed his brother?

What about the guy that steals a loaf of bread to feed his hungry child is that the same as guy that extorts, steals and commits fraud to gain more wealth?

It is all sin.

I don't know the answer to these questions nor do you. Only God knows how He will judge each one.

But I do know that Hebrews 10:26 (NLT)
26 Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins.

Rocky answer this question what is the difference between OSAS that says sin does not cost us our salvation and the person that says you can sin then repent and be saved and then sin and repent and be saved and sin and repent and be saved and sin and repent and be saved. What is the exact difference?

Here this might help you http://dake.mybisi.com/product/gods-plan-for-man

[Justaned]

Ed I do want to point something out to you if I may.
Ed your understanding of all of this is off because of the double talk. Here let me explains
You have said I disagree with OSAS because a Christian can lose their salvation, but you believe if they lose it they can never be brought back. Ok what if some one came to Christ but then for a few years went back in to sin, then repented and came back to the Lord? I have asked you this in another thread a couple of months ago and you said and I quote then "they were not really saved to begin with". But you said a Christian can backslide. Ok at what point does a Christian lose their salvation? . And how much sin is a Christian allowed than before this takes place?

Rocky
That is an age old question, how much sin can a person have in their life and still be saved.

Is it one use of God's name in vain? Or perhaps two?

Is it just looking at a woman? Or do you have to act on it?

Sin is sin however not all sin is intentional nor do I believe makes you loss your salvation.

If a person reacting to an extreme emotional situation blurts out God's name in vain is that the same as a person that planed to commit adultery lied to his wife to commit adultery and then finally committed adultery?

Or what about the person the momentarily considers himself before his brother is that the same as a man that planned stalked and killed his brother?

What about the guy that steals a loaf of bread to feed his hungry child is that the same as guy that extorts, steals and commits fraud to gain more wealth?

It is all sin.

I don't know the answer to these questions nor do you. Only God knows how He will judge each one.

But I do know that Hebrews 10:26 (NLT)
26 Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins.

Rocky answer this question what is the difference between OSAS that says sin does not cost us our salvation and the person that says you can sin then repent and be saved and then sin and repent and be saved and sin and repent and be saved and sin and repent and be saved. What is the exact difference?

Here this might help you http://dake.mybisi.com/product/gods-plan-for-man

Help me? You are the one that asked the question and I provided you points to ponder while you sought an answer. I don't have the question you do.