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[Justaned]

Ed, you are trying to redefine the term, "sin nature". Why YOU don't understand that, is beyond me. That qoute you gave, maybe I just did not see it, but I did not see anywhere in there that said that Jesus had a "Sin Nature". The "Sin Nature" is the natural state of mankind, to be in sin. Jesus had no sin. Adam & Eve had no sin, they were created sinless. They may have had flesh, but that does not mean that they had a sin nature at that time. Once they sinned, their nature was no longer of righteousness, it was no longer sinless, they became warped and wrapped in sin, thus, they then had a sinful nature. Jesus did not come from "man", his father was not a man, His Father was God. Therefore, the essence of man, the sinful nature, the Sin Nature, did not pass onto Him. The Father did not have the nature of sin, the essence of sin, to pass onto Jesus.

Stop trying to redefine terms to fit your own propaganda.

I have never heard anything like this before from a "preacher, especially a Pentacostal one at that. Try preaching Jesus had a sin nature (and using those very terms) from the pulpit with a leader of your church in the pew, and see just how far that gets you. I don't think you would be preaching from that pulpit anymore, at least you wouldn't be if your church leader had any kind of a spine.

The propensity to sin is defined as our sin nature. If you never heard that, what can I say? Carnal man has a propensity to sin. If we can't sin then we can't really be tempted to sin. You follow the logic to conclusion. Does that not suggest one has to be able to sin to be tempted to sin? And wouldn't it follow if one can sin then he must have a propensity to sin? That is called a sin nature or carnal man.

[bibleman]

Ed, you are trying to redefine the term, "sin nature". Why YOU don't understand that, is beyond me. That qoute you gave, maybe I just did not see it, but I did not see anywhere in there that said that Jesus had a "Sin Nature". The "Sin Nature" is the natural state of mankind, to be in sin. Jesus had no sin. Adam & Eve had no sin, they were created sinless. They may have had flesh, but that does not mean that they had a sin nature at that time. Once they sinned, their nature was no longer of righteousness, it was no longer sinless, they became warped and wrapped in sin, thus, they then had a sinful nature. Jesus did not come from "man", his father was not a man, His Father was God. Therefore, the essence of man, the sinful nature, the Sin Nature, did not pass onto Him. The Father did not have the nature of sin, the essence of sin, to pass onto Jesus.

Stop trying to redefine terms to fit your own propaganda.

I have never heard anything like this before from a "preacher, especially a Pentacostal one at that. Try preaching Jesus had a sin nature (and using those very terms) from the pulpit with a leader of your church in the pew, and see just how far that gets you. I don't think you would be preaching from that pulpit anymore, at least you wouldn't be if your church leader had any kind of a spine.

The propensity to sin is defined as our sin nature. If you never heard that, what can I say? Carnal man has a propensity to sin. If we can't sin then we can't really be tempted to sin. You follow the logic to conclusion. Does that not suggest one has to be able to sin to be tempted to sin? And wouldn't it follow if one can sin then he must have a propensity to sin? That is called a sin nature or carnal man.

Well ed,

Do you believe that Jesus had a propensity to sin?

[Justaned]

Ed, you are trying to redefine the term, "sin nature". Why YOU don't understand that, is beyond me. That qoute you gave, maybe I just did not see it, but I did not see anywhere in there that said that Jesus had a "Sin Nature". The "Sin Nature" is the natural state of mankind, to be in sin. Jesus had no sin. Adam & Eve had no sin, they were created sinless. They may have had flesh, but that does not mean that they had a sin nature at that time. Once they sinned, their nature was no longer of righteousness, it was no longer sinless, they became warped and wrapped in sin, thus, they then had a sinful nature. Jesus did not come from "man", his father was not a man, His Father was God. Therefore, the essence of man, the sinful nature, the Sin Nature, did not pass onto Him. The Father did not have the nature of sin, the essence of sin, to pass onto Jesus.

Stop trying to redefine terms to fit your own propaganda.

I have never heard anything like this before from a "preacher, especially a Pentacostal one at that. Try preaching Jesus had a sin nature (and using those very terms) from the pulpit with a leader of your church in the pew, and see just how far that gets you. I don't think you would be preaching from that pulpit anymore, at least you wouldn't be if your church leader had any kind of a spine.

The propensity to sin is defined as our sin nature. If you never heard that, what can I say? Carnal man has a propensity to sin. If we can't sin then we can't really be tempted to sin. You follow the logic to conclusion. Does that not suggest one has to be able to sin to be tempted to sin? And wouldn't it follow if one can sin then he must have a propensity to sin? That is called a sin nature or carnal man.

Well ed,

Do you believe that Jesus had a propensity to sin?

If Jesus couldn't act on the temptation He could not have been tempted. To be tempted and not to be able to act on that temptation would make the temptation meaningless. The ability to sin is called a sin nature or having a propensity to sin or as some call it the carnal man.
Since scripture says Jesus was like man in all ways, and since scripture says Jesus was indeed tempted then yes Jesus had a propensity to sin, carnal man or sin nature whatever you want to call it.

[branham1965]

ARE YOU IMPLYING THAT GOD MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH WAS A ROTTEN SINNER LIKE YOU????????????????
READ YOUR BIBLE PREACHER.

THE PROBLEM HERE WITH MOST OF US IS THE LACK OF THE HOLY GHOST.

PENTECOST IS REVILED OR PUSHED ASIDE ITS ALL OVER.

Ed, you are trying to redefine the term, "sin nature". Why YOU don't understand that, is beyond me. That qoute you gave, maybe I just did not see it, but I did not see anywhere in there that said that Jesus had a "Sin Nature". The "Sin Nature" is the natural state of mankind, to be in sin. Jesus had no sin. Adam & Eve had no sin, they were created sinless. They may have had flesh, but that does not mean that they had a sin nature at that time. Once they sinned, their nature was no longer of righteousness, it was no longer sinless, they became warped and wrapped in sin, thus, they then had a sinful nature. Jesus did not come from "man", his father was not a man, His Father was God. Therefore, the essence of man, the sinful nature, the Sin Nature, did not pass onto Him. The Father did not have the nature of sin, the essence of sin, to pass onto Jesus.

Stop trying to redefine terms to fit your own propaganda.

I have never heard anything like this before from a "preacher, especially a Pentacostal one at that. Try preaching Jesus had a sin nature (and using those very terms) from the pulpit with a leader of your church in the pew, and see just how far that gets you. I don't think you would be preaching from that pulpit anymore, at least you wouldn't be if your church leader had any kind of a spine.

The propensity to sin is defined as our sin nature. If you never heard that, what can I say? Carnal man has a propensity to sin. If we can't sin then we can't really be tempted to sin. You follow the logic to conclusion. Does that not suggest one has to be able to sin to be tempted to sin? And wouldn't it follow if one can sin then he must have a propensity to sin? That is called a sin nature or carnal man.

Well ed,

Do you believe that Jesus had a propensity to sin?

If Jesus couldn't act on the temptation He could not have been tempted. To be tempted and not to be able to act on that temptation would make the temptation meaningless. The ability to sin is called a sin nature or having a propensity to sin or as some call it the carnal man.
Since scripture says Jesus was like man in all ways, and since scripture says Jesus was indeed tempted then yes Jesus had a propensity to sin, carnal man or sin nature whatever you want to call it.

[bibleman]

Ed, you are trying to redefine the term, "sin nature". Why YOU don't understand that, is beyond me. That qoute you gave, maybe I just did not see it, but I did not see anywhere in there that said that Jesus had a "Sin Nature". The "Sin Nature" is the natural state of mankind, to be in sin. Jesus had no sin. Adam & Eve had no sin, they were created sinless. They may have had flesh, but that does not mean that they had a sin nature at that time. Once they sinned, their nature was no longer of righteousness, it was no longer sinless, they became warped and wrapped in sin, thus, they then had a sinful nature. Jesus did not come from "man", his father was not a man, His Father was God. Therefore, the essence of man, the sinful nature, the Sin Nature, did not pass onto Him. The Father did not have the nature of sin, the essence of sin, to pass onto Jesus.

Stop trying to redefine terms to fit your own propaganda.

I have never heard anything like this before from a "preacher, especially a Pentacostal one at that. Try preaching Jesus had a sin nature (and using those very terms) from the pulpit with a leader of your church in the pew, and see just how far that gets you. I don't think you would be preaching from that pulpit anymore, at least you wouldn't be if your church leader had any kind of a spine.

The propensity to sin is defined as our sin nature. If you never heard that, what can I say? Carnal man has a propensity to sin. If we can't sin then we can't really be tempted to sin. You follow the logic to conclusion. Does that not suggest one has to be able to sin to be tempted to sin? And wouldn't it follow if one can sin then he must have a propensity to sin? That is called a sin nature or carnal man.

Well ed,

Do you believe that Jesus had a propensity to sin?

If Jesus couldn't act on the temptation He could not have been tempted. To be tempted and not to be able to act on that temptation would make the temptation meaningless. The ability to sin is called a sin nature or having a propensity to sin or as some call it the carnal man.
Since scripture says Jesus was like man in all ways, and since scripture says Jesus was indeed tempted then yes Jesus had a propensity to sin, carnal man or sin nature whatever you want to call it.

Hi Ed,

Note this definition: pro·pen·si·ty - "an inclination or natural tendency to behave in a particular way." - Webster

I don't think I have ever heard anyone say that Jesus had a "natural tendency" to sin!

You are the ONLY one.

Don't you think you should give that a little more thought?

[Justaned]

Ed, you are trying to redefine the term, "sin nature". Why YOU don't understand that, is beyond me. That qoute you gave, maybe I just did not see it, but I did not see anywhere in there that said that Jesus had a "Sin Nature". The "Sin Nature" is the natural state of mankind, to be in sin. Jesus had no sin. Adam & Eve had no sin, they were created sinless. They may have had flesh, but that does not mean that they had a sin nature at that time. Once they sinned, their nature was no longer of righteousness, it was no longer sinless, they became warped and wrapped in sin, thus, they then had a sinful nature. Jesus did not come from "man", his father was not a man, His Father was God. Therefore, the essence of man, the sinful nature, the Sin Nature, did not pass onto Him. The Father did not have the nature of sin, the essence of sin, to pass onto Jesus.

Stop trying to redefine terms to fit your own propaganda.

I have never heard anything like this before from a "preacher, especially a Pentacostal one at that. Try preaching Jesus had a sin nature (and using those very terms) from the pulpit with a leader of your church in the pew, and see just how far that gets you. I don't think you would be preaching from that pulpit anymore, at least you wouldn't be if your church leader had any kind of a spine.

The propensity to sin is defined as our sin nature. If you never heard that, what can I say? Carnal man has a propensity to sin. If we can't sin then we can't really be tempted to sin. You follow the logic to conclusion. Does that not suggest one has to be able to sin to be tempted to sin? And wouldn't it follow if one can sin then he must have a propensity to sin? That is called a sin nature or carnal man.

Well ed,

Do you believe that Jesus had a propensity to sin?

If Jesus couldn't act on the temptation He could not have been tempted. To be tempted and not to be able to act on that temptation would make the temptation meaningless. The ability to sin is called a sin nature or having a propensity to sin or as some call it the carnal man.
Since scripture says Jesus was like man in all ways, and since scripture says Jesus was indeed tempted then yes Jesus had a propensity to sin, carnal man or sin nature whatever you want to call it.

Hi Ed,

Note this definition: pro·pen·si·ty - "an inclination or natural tendency to behave in a particular way." - Webster

I don't think I have ever heard anyone say that Jesus had a "natural tendency" to sin!

You are the ONLY one.

Don't you think you should give that a little more thought?

Carnal man has that inclination that is why carnal man can be tempted. If you don't have the inclination then you could not be tempted now could you?

[Rocky]

Ed, you are trying to redefine the term, "sin nature". Why YOU don't understand that, is beyond me. That qoute you gave, maybe I just did not see it, but I did not see anywhere in there that said that Jesus had a "Sin Nature". The "Sin Nature" is the natural state of mankind, to be in sin. Jesus had no sin. Adam & Eve had no sin, they were created sinless. They may have had flesh, but that does not mean that they had a sin nature at that time. Once they sinned, their nature was no longer of righteousness, it was no longer sinless, they became warped and wrapped in sin, thus, they then had a sinful nature. Jesus did not come from "man", his father was not a man, His Father was God. Therefore, the essence of man, the sinful nature, the Sin Nature, did not pass onto Him. The Father did not have the nature of sin, the essence of sin, to pass onto Jesus.

Stop trying to redefine terms to fit your own propaganda.

I have never heard anything like this before from a "preacher, especially a Pentacostal one at that. Try preaching Jesus had a sin nature (and using those very terms) from the pulpit with a leader of your church in the pew, and see just how far that gets you. I don't think you would be preaching from that pulpit anymore, at least you wouldn't be if your church leader had any kind of a spine.

The propensity to sin is defined as our sin nature. If you never heard that, what can I say? Carnal man has a propensity to sin. If we can't sin then we can't really be tempted to sin. You follow the logic to conclusion. Does that not suggest one has to be able to sin to be tempted to sin? And wouldn't it follow if one can sin then he must have a propensity to sin? That is called a sin nature or carnal man.

Well ed,

Do you believe that Jesus had a propensity to sin?

If Jesus couldn't act on the temptation He could not have been tempted. To be tempted and not to be able to act on that temptation would make the temptation meaningless. The ability to sin is called a sin nature or having a propensity to sin or as some call it the carnal man.
Since scripture says Jesus was like man in all ways, and since scripture says Jesus was indeed tempted then yes Jesus had a propensity to sin, carnal man or sin nature whatever you want to call it.

Hi Ed,
Note this definition: pro·pen·si·ty - "an inclination or natural tendency to behave in a particular way." - Webster

I don't think I have ever heard anyone say that Jesus had a "natural tendency" to sin!

You are the ONLY one.

Don't you think you should give that a little more thought?

Carnal man has that inclination that is why carnal man can be tempted. If you don't have the inclination then you could not be tempted now could you?

Not necessarily, true Satan will tempt you any way regardless. I am sure Jesus on the inside wasn't really deep down inside wanting to serve and worship Satan when satan tempted him to do so, when he offered him the kingdoms of the world. And a true Christian does not have a carnal mind for the scripture says For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. And Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. also But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.. I conclude through what the bible says, if a Christian has a sin nature and is carnal he is not a Christian and needs to get saved. Victory over sin and the Devil's nature, the flesh can be put away If the believer will just simply believe what the bible says about this subject And count him self dead indeed to sin and count himself self crucified with Christ. and obey the conditions of the gospel.

[victoryword]

Good post again Rocky. Here is a passage that makes it plain that all will be tempted whether they are carnal or not:

There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. (1 Cor. 10:13)

[Justaned]

Ed, you are trying to redefine the term, "sin nature". Why YOU don't understand that, is beyond me. That qoute you gave, maybe I just did not see it, but I did not see anywhere in there that said that Jesus had a "Sin Nature". The "Sin Nature" is the natural state of mankind, to be in sin. Jesus had no sin. Adam & Eve had no sin, they were created sinless. They may have had flesh, but that does not mean that they had a sin nature at that time. Once they sinned, their nature was no longer of righteousness, it was no longer sinless, they became warped and wrapped in sin, thus, they then had a sinful nature. Jesus did not come from "man", his father was not a man, His Father was God. Therefore, the essence of man, the sinful nature, the Sin Nature, did not pass onto Him. The Father did not have the nature of sin, the essence of sin, to pass onto Jesus.

Stop trying to redefine terms to fit your own propaganda.

I have never heard anything like this before from a "preacher, especially a Pentacostal one at that. Try preaching Jesus had a sin nature (and using those very terms) from the pulpit with a leader of your church in the pew, and see just how far that gets you. I don't think you would be preaching from that pulpit anymore, at least you wouldn't be if your church leader had any kind of a spine.

The propensity to sin is defined as our sin nature. If you never heard that, what can I say? Carnal man has a propensity to sin. If we can't sin then we can't really be tempted to sin. You follow the logic to conclusion. Does that not suggest one has to be able to sin to be tempted to sin? And wouldn't it follow if one can sin then he must have a propensity to sin? That is called a sin nature or carnal man.

Well ed,

Do you believe that Jesus had a propensity to sin?

If Jesus couldn't act on the temptation He could not have been tempted. To be tempted and not to be able to act on that temptation would make the temptation meaningless. The ability to sin is called a sin nature or having a propensity to sin or as some call it the carnal man.
Since scripture says Jesus was like man in all ways, and since scripture says Jesus was indeed tempted then yes Jesus had a propensity to sin, carnal man or sin nature whatever you want to call it.

Hi Ed,
Note this definition: pro·pen·si·ty - "an inclination or natural tendency to behave in a particular way." - Webster

I don't think I have ever heard anyone say that Jesus had a "natural tendency" to sin!

You are the ONLY one.

Don't you think you should give that a little more thought?

Carnal man has that inclination that is why carnal man can be tempted. If you don't have the inclination then you could not be tempted now could you?

Not necessarily, true Satan will tempt you any way regardless. I am sure Jesus on the inside wasn't really deep down inside wanting to serve and worship Satan when satan tempted him to do so, when he offered him the kingdoms of the world. And a true Christian does not have a carnal mind for the scripture says For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. And Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. also But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.. I conclude through what the bible says, if a Christian has a sin nature and is carnal he is not a Christian and needs to get saved. Victory over sin and the Devil's nature, the flesh can be put away If the believer will just simply believe what the bible says about this subject And count him self dead indeed to sin and count himself self crucified with Christ. and obey the conditions of the gospel.

Again I ask do you ever sin? If so how does it happen?

[Rocky]

Ed do you see what you have resorted to, Ed you are now no longer debating me, now you are debating the bible. I don't know, ask the author Why are you so fixated on sin?.