Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Finis Dake on Prosperity

[victoryword]

So now that we have the usual NEGATIVE consensus that most prosperity preachers are going overboard, let's get back to the more POSITIVE teaching of Dake. Is it wrong to teach prosperity if one teaches it with "balance" like Dake did? What is the consensus on that?

No it is not, I completely agree with Dakes teaching on prosperity.

Excellent Rocky-mon

[branham1965]

WATCHMAN 2013.
thats an excellent heartfelt post.
the late Dave Wilkerson shocked some folks when he said our prosperity gospel was a American creation to satisfy the lusts of carnal spoiled brats.he wept openly in Russia about these things.Len Ravenhill was more severe with it.
i love Dad Hagin very much.but i think the book might have been too late.his top pupil bragged he was a billionare.a black fellow preaching out in California bragged about his Rolls RoyceS.plural.
that is a complete deviation from the New Testament program.
The Lord told Ananias about Saul of Tarsus "but the Lord said unto him ,go thy way for he is a chosen vessel unto me to bear my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel."
"for i will show him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake."Acts 9:15-16
He describes the suffering in 2 Cor 11:23-33;ch 12.i dont see an ounce extravagant wealth in any of that.nor a bit of prosperity pimpin' in those passages.
actually Paul taught the exact OPPOSITE OF MODERN TEACHERS IN 1 TIMOTHY 6 !!!!!
WATCHMAN NEE suffered that way in China.he died a martyr in prison.
CAN you imagine trying to sell that stuff to those two men???all the other Apostles were baptized with the baptism of Christ =martyrdom save John his most beloved.

God Bless You, Billy and Justaned...

I had experience with men whose ministries put forth the "Prosperity Message." Wrack and ruin, literal carnage, and yes, even death, were the result of not sticking with The Word of God, and keeping things in God's Economy, in context. Those men cherry picked what would, they thought, verify and validate their theories. Some of them would take the average of all the tithe givers in their churches, and then multiply times ten, for their base salaries. THEN, they'd have housing, transportation, and costs of living, added on... All that, to show how prosperous God wanted them to be... Unbridled power, influence, and position within their communities, and within the Body of Christ...

Ever see someone that's eaten a 12 gauge shotgun? And have an open casket funeral? That young man had been called a failure, and was abandoned by his church's leadership. In desperation, deeply in debt, and feeling totally abandoned, he left behind his young wife, and his infant son... His young widow was informed that he wouldn't be seen in Heaven, as he had committed suicide... The Love of God was absent in that ministry...

Yes, I've seen divorces, businesses and careers ruined, and death, as a result of those who've perverted The Word of God, to their benefit...

God's economy is not, "Gimme, gimme, gimme- my name's Jimmy, and I'll take all you'll give me!" God's economy is not spouting The Word of God back to Him, and then proclaiming, "God's Word Says It, and He HAS to do it! I named it, and I claimed it- now He has to do it!" The short version of that was, "Blab it, and grab it." I've heard men and women from pulpits and platforms make those declarations, as if God were a Divine ATM machine...

What arrogance, ignorance, and hubris! What total disrespect for God, and His Word!!!

It's all about one's attitude, and one's relationship with God... God does want to bless us. He loves us. After all, He created us for His good pleasure... He is not, however, a robot or a puppet... He is Sovereign. He Is God... Creator of the Universe. Almighty God, Himself... Worthy of Love, Respect, Honor, Glory, and Power... Not an ATM or the lamp of a heathen Jinn...

Reverend Dake was a great teacher and expositor of The Word of God. He, and his work, have also been victims of cherry picking. Buffet Christians, as I call them, pick and choose what they like- wherever they search for verification and validation. To such people, it matters not whether it's The Word of God, or any of Reverend Dake's works, or anything else. To them, the results justify the means... Even though they pervert The Scriptures, and anything else that glorifies God...

One must remember, even Kenneth E. Hagin openly castigated men whose ministries transgressed against the Word of God, and God Himself... The Midas Touch put forth Hagin's understanding of how the Word of Faith had strayed in it's portrayal of how God intended prosperity to be practiced within The Body of Christ... Read it- it's a good book, and one that legitimized Hagin's teachings over the years... Sadly, three years after his death, those same individuals returned to fleecing the sheep, pillaging God's Children...

All things in God's Economy- not the shearing and fleecing of God's sheep...

Again, attitude, and right standing with God- those are from where God acts on our behalf... Demand, until you're blue in the face, and nothing happens- if you're lucky... Prayer is energized by the God kind of Love... Signs, wonders, and miracles are empowered by God's Love...

Never, ever, take God for granted, for He does know when that is in one's heart, mind, and soul... Every day should be newly consecrated unto God... Our relationship with Him should be fresh and alive- all the time, lest we take Him for granted...

Remember, the ends do not justify the means. Lying is a sin, no less heinous, than any other sin. Sin cannot be allowed in the Holy Presence of God... Those that change or pervert the Word of God, are guilty of what is written in the last chapter of the Revelation of Jesus Christ, to John the Beloved Apostle. Some consider this to only apply to that magnificent book. I, however believe that the Word of God, every word, jot, and tittle, must never be changed, for the Word of God is inerrant, pure, and Holy... If this be right, and The Word of God is, indeed perfect, then who could righteously change it? Nobody.

Revelation 22:18-21 (KJV)

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Seek The Lord, and His Wisdom, not the wisdom of mere Man, for the wisdom of Man, is foolishness to God...

All Praise and Glory to Him Who First Loved Us!

Maranatha

Watchman2013

[branham1965]

i need to clarify ....

i have been very very blessed by Brother Copeland and Fred Price.and Benny Hinn and so many of the teachers of the Word.
if i get on one of these men in any way i feel like a dog.

i pray with Dad Hagins and Breakthrough.i send requests to Reverend Angley.i pray with the AG prayer line.


sighs....maybe one day ill shut my mouth.sighs.....James 3

swift to hear slow to speak slow to wrath. James 1:19

[Watchman2013]

Good Evening, Billy,

The late, great David Wilkerson was a true hero of mine. He was one of the few American Holy Prophets of God, unafraid, and valiant to the end... The Body of Christ lost a great expositor when he went home to be with The Lord... Leonard Ravenhill was another Mighty Man of God, who is also missed, and his passion for the attributes and benefits of the Church of the Book of Acts was inspiring. The Body of Christ needs more of such men...

Your post is "spot-on." Yet another blessed voice of reason, Billy. Like Reverend Dake, Reverend Kenneth E. Hagin was a Man. Genuine, warm, intelligent, and doughty- ready to defend The Faith. Both men were devoted to serving their Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Both men also were victims of others expropriating their work. It is to their everlasting credit, that more good has come from their teachings, than perversion of same, could be accomplished by those intent upon serving Satan... God loved both of those men, and honored their efforts...

Billy, your prayerful study of The Scriptures shows, and does you credit. God Bless You and Yours, and May He Keep You, Guide You, Guard You, Care for You, and Always Provide You and Yours, With All You Need. May You All, Always, Be Well, Safe, Happy, and Forever, Free... Amen

Maranatha

Watchman2013

[victoryword]

You know, I read some of the posts on here and I know that some of you have a bias towards certain teachings, but then many of you tried to make it appear as if Dake shared your personal bias. It really is laughable. Let me quote another passage from Dake (one of many, many I can quote from him but I don't feel like typing all of that and I don't have the software):

• "God created man that he might be prosperous, healthy, successful, happy, wise, and blessed with all the good things that he could wish for in this life. He created all things and gave them all to man to use for his own good and pleasure. If it were sinful for man to have these things, God would not have promised them for man to enjoy. The sin of man was not in being prosperous, healthy, and happy, but it was in eating the forbidden fruit. The world of abundance here and now proves that God wants man to have abundance of all good things that are here. God made enough for all and all can have all they want if they will follow certain laws to get what they need." (Dake, GPFM, p. 168)

Dake says a whole lot more on this. He goes through a list of Scriptures on prosperity and concludes, "Prosperity is promised if men will quit the sin business." (GPFM, p. 169). I am starting to believe that many read Dake the same way that they read the Scriptures--with theologically colored glasses that enables them to see only what they want to see and to be blind to that which they already have a prejudice against.

Most people on this forum are materially prosperous seeing that they can eat when they want and play on their computer. Otherwise you would not be on this forum unless you are one of those homeless people using the public library's computer.

[victoryword]

[macca]

[branham1965]

YOU JUST SAID IT RIGHT THERE PASTOR.PEOPLE WANT TO PROSPER AND SIN THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF THEMSELVES.
MY LATE PASTOR SAID IF MOST CHURCH FOLKS GOT WEALTHY THEY WOULD BE DUET. 8 & 28:15f-68.PEOPLE.FAR FAR AWAY FROM THE LORD.TOTALLY BACKSLIDDEN CURSED TO DEATH.

"AND HE DID EVIL BECAUSE HE PREPARED NOT HIS HEART TO SEEK THE LORD."
"HOWBEIT THE HIGH PLACES WERE NOT TAKEN AWAY FOR AS YET THE PEOPLE HAD NOT PREPARED THEIR HEARTS UNTO THE GOD OF THEIR FATHERS" 2 CHRON 12:14;20:33
"NEVERTHELESS THERE ARE GOOD THINGS FOUND IN THEE IN THAT THOU HAST TAKEN AWAY THE GROVES OUT OF THE LAND AND HAST PREPARED THINE HEART TO SEEK GOD."2 CHRON 19:3

REVEREND DAKE TAUGHT PROSPERITY AS TAKING GOD AS ONE'S PARTNER.IT CALLS FOR RIGHT LIVING.ITS VERY CONDITIONAL.

You know, I read some of the posts on here and I know that some of you have a bias towards certain teachings, but then many of you tried to make it appear as if Dake shared your personal bias. It really is laughable. Let me quote another passage from Dake (one of many, many I can quote from him but I don't feel like typing all of that and I don't have the software):

• "God created man that he might be prosperous, healthy, successful, happy, wise, and blessed with all the good things that he could wish for in this life. He created all things and gave them all to man to use for his own good and pleasure. If it were sinful for man to have these things, God would not have promised them for man to enjoy. The sin of man was not in being prosperous, healthy, and happy, but it was in eating the forbidden fruit. The world of abundance here and now proves that God wants man to have abundance of all good things that are here. God made enough for all and all can have all they want if they will follow certain laws to get what they need." (Dake, GPFM, p. 168)

Dake says a whole lot more on this. He goes through a list of Scriptures on prosperity and concludes, "Prosperity is promised if men will quit the sin business." (GPFM, p. 169). I am starting to believe that many read Dake the same way that they read the Scriptures--with theologically colored glasses that enables them to see only what they want to see and to be blind to that which they already have a prejudice against.

Most people on this forum are materially prosperous seeing that they can eat when they want and play on their computer. Otherwise you would not be on this forum unless you are one of those homeless people using the public library's computer.

[Justaned]

Of course they are. The real question is what did God promise. That you would be so rich you would never have to work.
Or that if you sent a millionaire preacher that got all his money out of the pockets of the righteous, a thousand dollars to make him even richer, that God would give you 10 thousand.

Interestingly yesterday Billy posted a thread that showed the USA as having 59% of the wealth. If this is carried out you will find that even our homeless are many times richer than the poor in many countries.

What is the conclusion of this? To help those countries that need help? Or is it to listen to false teachers that tell you how to get richer.

If you want to be rich give everything you have, all you money, all your possessions, everything except a some worn clothing for on your back and see how God will bless you. But if you are just trying to get richer than you already are your a stench in God's nostrils.

[Justaned]

Would God expect anything different from a hireling?