Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ The Modern "GRACE" gospel

[branham1965]

TOMAS555 THIS IS NOT PERSONAL.


BUT....

MY PASTOR WARNED PEOPLE ABOUT THIS .
YOU GOT ALL THE BIBLE YOU WILL EVER NEED IN YOUR LIFE AND THEN SOME IF YOU OWN THE DARB!!!!! THATS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GRACE GRACE GRACE IS RUBBISH!!!!!!!!!!ITS SO POPULAR BECAUSE ITS PAINLESS.I CAN HIT THE NIGHT CLUBS RUN MY GAME HATE SOMEONES GUTS AND STILL GO TO HEAVEN.
ROMANS 2 PAUL TOLD THEM OF THE GOODNESS AND SEVERITY OF GOD!!!!GOD KILLS HE JUDGES HE CUTS OFF HE CASTS INTO HELL!!!!
IVE HEARD PEOPLE SAY GOD DOESNT DO IT.REALLY???DEPART FROM ME YE CURSED INTO EVERLASTING FIRE....SOUNDS LIKE JESUS SAYING GO WHERE YOU WANTED TO BE!!!

GOD IS AS MUCH A GOD OF JUDGEMENT IN THIS COVENANT AS HE WAS IN MOSES DAY UNDER THE OLD COVENANT.SEE HEB 10:26FF!!!
READ THE BOOK OF REVELATION.ITS JUDGEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GOD IMPUTES SIN TO US OR HE IS A LIAR!!!!IREAD THE BOOK OF ROMANS.IF WE LIVE AFTER THE FLESH WE ARE ETERNALLY DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!SEE GAL 5:17FFF YOU OR I COMMIT ONE OF THE 17 WORKS OF THE FLESH WE ARE DEAD.
IT TAKES HOLY PURE CLEAN LIVING UNDER THE BLOOD OF JESUS LIVING IN THE WORD OF GOD TO MAKE HEAVEN.
REVEREND FINIS JENNINGS DAKE KNEW THIS WAS COMING.ITS HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF.HE DEALT WITH THAT TOMMYROT IN HIS DAY.HE REFUTES IT IN HIS BIBLE AND BOOKS!!!!
LOOK IT UP.HE PROVES ITS ALL HOGWASH.

Hello.

I've just found a good article on 1 John 1 here.

http://www.faithwriters.com/article-det ... p?id=58478

Then checked it in Complete Word Study Bible and regarding grammar, the article is true.

Isn't it crazy that Paul did not mention daily sin confession of the believer once, instead he hammers down imputed righteousness of everyone in Christ. Abraham did never confess he lied and still he was righteous.

1 John 1 Was really written about Gnostics, even unto them.

1Jn 1:3
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. KJV

Apparently audience did not have the fellowship with them yet but John desired to have it. There is no such a thing as sinning saint. And if there is, the resolution is to excommunicate him for satan destroying body so the spirit won't perish. Not confessing to God.

Jam 5:14-16
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. 16 Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. KJV

Prayer of faith shall save the sick and the Lord will raise him up. And sins, if he committed some, they shall be forgiven as well. Confessing here is to one another only. God does not impute us sins anymore.

There is only one sin under NT - Not believing Jesus is the Savior and only way to God. - A sin unto death.

If someone wants to use this as a license to sin, I hardly believe he is fully grown Christian. He needs to learn about God's love and grace, which will cause him not to sin. When temptation comes and things happen, he is deeply sorry. But willingly staying in sin, not even fighting inside, is very strange. Such a person is probably not a born-again Christian at all.

Blessings and Love

[graceforme]

I would just like to say something about the modern "grace" message. I am a grace believer. Saved by God's grace. Living by God's grace. I haven't read through all the posts, and I don't know anything about the pastor that was mentioned early in the posts, but I would just like to say this. I've had people say to me, "You think you can do whatever you want to." I totally agree. The thing is, that when God saved me, my "want-to" changed. Living by grace is not a license to sin (after all, who ever needed a license - most folks sin very easily without one). Grace living is righteous living, sober living, striving to be more like Jesus Christ in our life, and allowing Him to live His life through us so that others may see His love through our lives.

There always have been and always will be, those who feel it right to abuse the freedom that we have in Christ. Living a life that is pleasing to God is not about rules and regulations - it's about loving God so much that we want to please Him in every way. After all, God's laws were meant to point man to a Saviour. I love the Lord for what He has done for me, and to think that my behaviour would cause Him disappointment would make me truly unhappy. God's grace has freed us from bondage to sin, and those who think they can live a sinful lifestyle - well, I personally don't think they were saved at all.

Saved by grace, and living it every day.

[branham1965]

you do a very fine job Linda.ive known you on here for years.and you are really genuine.

I would just like to say something about the modern "grace" message. I am a grace believer. Saved by God's grace. Living by God's grace. I haven't read through all the posts, and I don't know anything about the pastor that was mentioned early in the posts, but I would just like to say this. I've had people say to me, "You think you can do whatever you want to." I totally agree. The thing is, that when God saved me, my "want-to" changed. Living by grace is not a license to sin (after all, who ever needed a license - most folks sin very easily without one). Grace living is righteous living, sober living, striving to be more like Jesus Christ in our life, and allowing Him to live His life through us so that others may see His love through our lives.

There always have been and always will be, those who feel it right to abuse the freedom that we have in Christ. Living a life that is pleasing to God is not about rules and regulations - it's about loving God so much that we want to please Him in every way. After all, God's laws were meant to point man to a Saviour. I love the Lord for what He has done for me, and to think that my behaviour would cause Him disappointment would make me truly unhappy. God's grace has freed us from bondage to sin, and those who think they can live a sinful lifestyle - well, I personally don't think they were saved at all.

Saved by grace, and living it every day.

[graceforme]

[quote="branham1965"]you do a very fine job Linda.ive known you on here for years.and you are really genuine.



Thank you Billy. I guess I just want to get the message across that not all "grace" believers feel that the modern grace message is an invitation to live an ungodly lifestyle. I am dispensational all the way, and I truly believe that if the blood of Christ is strong enough to save me, His blood is strong enough to keep me saved, no matter what I do. However, if I have truly accepted into my heart what Christ did for me on the Cross, I will strive to live a holy, blameless life that pleases God and shows His love to those around me.

Many blessings to you, my friend. p.s. I still use the Bible you sent me and I treasure it as a great gift from a great friend.

[titus213]

not all "grace" believers feel that the modern grace message is an invitation to live an ungodly lifestyle

I appreciate you wanting to get that message across. There are some who want to pit the Gospel of grace against some other form of the Gospel, but there is no other form (as Paul makes clear in the epistle to Galatians).

There was no greater believer in the grace of God than the apostle Paul, who knew he ran the risk of having his message of God's grace misunderstood as well (as we can see from Romans 6). Yet he was crystal clear that the true understanding of God's grace never leads to careless living, but just the opposite:

"For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ" (Titus 2.11-13).

It is only the grace of God that has brought salvation to me. Does that mean that I can live any old way? No. What does the grace of God teach me? That I should deny ungodliness, that I should deny the worldly lust, that we should live soberly, and righteously, and godly. God's grace teaches me that. It doesn't teach me that I can go out and live any old way I want and the grace of God will cover for me, but it teaches me that I am to live a righteous life in this present world . . . and be looking forward to the world that's coming.

[Justaned]

I would just like to say something about the modern "grace" message. I am a grace believer. Saved by God's grace. Living by God's grace. I haven't read through all the posts, and I don't know anything about the pastor that was mentioned early in the posts, but I would just like to say this. I've had people say to me, "You think you can do whatever you want to." I totally agree. The thing is, that when God saved me, my "want-to" changed. Living by grace is not a license to sin (after all, who ever needed a license - most folks sin very easily without one). Grace living is righteous living, sober living, striving to be more like Jesus Christ in our life, and allowing Him to live His life through us so that others may see His love through our lives.

There always have been and always will be, those who feel it right to abuse the freedom that we have in Christ. Living a life that is pleasing to God is not about rules and regulations - it's about loving God so much that we want to please Him in every way. After all, God's laws were meant to point man to a Saviour. I love the Lord for what He has done for me, and to think that my behaviour would cause Him disappointment would make me truly unhappy. God's grace has freed us from bondage to sin, and those who think they can live a sinful lifestyle - well, I personally don't think they were saved at all.

Saved by grace, and living it every day.

Nicely Stated! Most Excellent! Bravo! Amen!

[graceforme]

what do folks here think of this gospel of Grace???
who on earth is Joseph Prince???is he right on or bad off???

a fellow who lives by me who is a sinner a drinker etc...and is shacking up with his girlfriend told me its ok.its all Grace only now.


what say ye???? i know what i think.im wondering what others say.is this a abuse of this man's teaching???or does he teach this kind of ...stuff.

Well, I checked out Joseph Prince's website, and based on his statements of belief, he appears to be a Baptist. I haven't heard any of his broadcasts, so I don't know what he teaches, but based on his statement of beliefs, I find it hard to believe that he would condone such behavior. But, then again, we can only know him by what he says, not necessarily knowing what he does or how he lives.

[branham1965]

Joseph Prince's hero in Faith was Kenneth Erwin Hagin Sr.

"the neglect of the truth followed by its rediscovery results in its over emphasis"
a powerful British Preacher wrote this.it has stuck in my mind for 30 some years.
my late Pastor had a friend .he was a fine man.he wrote a book on LOVE.of course it was all love for some.love love love.
the demon thing was big in the Charismatic movement.still is.but everything got attributed to devils.its more balanced now.
the shepherding movement got started with great intentions.then got into the =ditch.
i know i experienced it.
one Preacher got the light of praise.but he got off center and told us to praise God for EVERYTHING =ditch.
without the influence of the HOLY GHOST we got to extremes as Billy Joel sang.
natural men and women =unsaved folks CANNOT understand the things of God.
REVEREND DAKE TAUGHT-see BTU please - some sincere people in the past have got into a mess by jumping off into the spirit realm and getting waylaid.
we like to think there are no SPIRITS behind our teachings and Doctrines.but there is 1 Timothy 4 says so.either we are teaching of 3 sources.
God,human nature self or the devil.

what do folks here think of this gospel of Grace???
who on earth is Joseph Prince???is he right on or bad off???

a fellow who lives by me who is a sinner a drinker etc...and is shacking up with his girlfriend told me its ok.its all Grace only now.


what say ye???? i know what i think.im wondering what others say.is this a abuse of this man's teaching???or does he teach this kind of ...stuff.

Well, I checked out Joseph Prince's website, and based on his statements of belief, he appears to be a Baptist. I haven't heard any of his broadcasts, so I don't know what he teaches, but based on his statement of beliefs, I find it hard to believe that he would condone such behavior. But, then again, we can only know him by what he says, not necessarily knowing what he does or how he lives.

[graceforme]

what say ye???? i know what i think.im wondering what others say.is this a abuse of this man's teaching???or does he teach this kind of ...stuff.[/quote]


I couldn't really find any specific teachings on Prince's web site. I did see that, even though he believes the Bible to be God's inerrent and perfect word, he uses the NKJV. Never heard of him till now, but it's hard for me to think that someone who basically follows the Baptist doctrine (at least as nearly as I can tell from his statement of beliefs) would condone behavior like you're describing. Can this sinner be redeemed? Absolutely. But, first he must change his mind about his behavior (repent) and then trust and accept Christ and strive to follow Him. I don't know if he's really saved, or would like people to think he's saved. Either way, he's a really bad "advertisement" for Christianity. It hurts me to see people like this, who are living these kinds of lifestyles and claim Christianity at the same time. I think they'll be held accountable for the souls that they showed this example to.

[graceforme]

I would just like to say something about the modern "grace" message. I am a grace believer. Saved by God's grace. Living by God's grace. I haven't read through all the posts, and I don't know anything about the pastor that was mentioned early in the posts, but I would just like to say this. I've had people say to me, "You think you can do whatever you want to." I totally agree. The thing is, that when God saved me, my "want-to" changed. Living by grace is not a license to sin (after all, who ever needed a license - most folks sin very easily without one). Grace living is righteous living, sober living, striving to be more like Jesus Christ in our life, and allowing Him to live His life through us so that others may see His love through our lives.

There always have been and always will be, those who feel it right to abuse the freedom that we have in Christ. Living a life that is pleasing to God is not about rules and regulations - it's about loving God so much that we want to please Him in every way. After all, God's laws were meant to point man to a Saviour. I love the Lord for what He has done for me, and to think that my behaviour would cause Him disappointment would make me truly unhappy. God's grace has freed us from bondage to sin, and those who think they can live a sinful lifestyle - well, I personally don't think they were saved at all.

Saved by grace, and living it every day.

Nicely Stated! Most Excellent! Bravo! Amen!

Thank you and many blessings to you. So many times, when I say "dispensational", I get blasted by someone.