Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ The Sorcerer's Sin

[Spiritblade Disciple]

Just pointing out that loving with all the mind (100% mental capacity) at all times is part of this requirement.
Especially hard since virtually no human being utilizes 100% of their mental capacity for anything at any time, let alone all the time.

Man uses his mind every time he makes a choice.
All sins are choices.

My point isn't about making choices. It's about utilizing total mental capacity at all times to love God as commanded.

No one utilizes 100% of their mind, all of the time. Therefore, no one loves God with all their mind, all of the time. The requirement is to love God with all of one's mind, all the time. Yet, no one is really even capable of harnessing the full capacity of their own mind at any given time. Let alone, all the time.

[Spiritblade Disciple]

... virtually no one consistently [Loves God with all the heart, mind, soul, strength, and might to 100% of ideal human capacity and neighbor as self] at all times to 100% of their capacity.

Everyone who has been reborn of God's seed, does what God wants them to do 100% of the time.

To me, that verse means that a person that is born of God don't sin intentionally, while His seed remains in that person. It doesn't mean that the seed is certain to always remain in the person (see the Parable of the Sower... Things can happen to the seed).

[Spiritblade Disciple]

It is written..." Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" (Rom 6:16)
Actions, whether good or bad, are obedience to one's master.

Exactly. Those born of God still have the ability to yield themselves as servants to sin.

[Spiritblade Disciple]

Aren't you claiming that a person has to [completely quit sinning] before they can receive the Holy Ghost?

The intention to do so, occurs before one receives the gift that enables the repentant to do so.

Is merely intending to quit sinning enough?

[Spiritblade Disciple]

2. How does one know if they've received the Spirit? How do you know that you have received the Spirit?

You will receive the gift of tongues.

Virtually all individuals that have received the gift of tongues have sinned or will sin after speaking in tongues.

I'ld like to know the source of that unbiblical information.

The New Testamen and real life experience with enough people who have received the gift of tongues to know that those that speak in tongues are still capable of sin and do, in fact, actually sin.

[Spiritblade Disciple]

How do you justify the belief that those that receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (as evidenced by the gift of tongues) never sin again? Please, consider St. Peter's error as recorded in Galatians 2:11-21.

Peter's "error" wasn't sin...it was a missed opportunity to make visiting Jews see that they were no better/different than any reborn Gentile.

The fact that you don't see errors and missed opportunities as sin confirms that you and I have different definitions of what sin is.

[Hill Top]

Just pointing out that loving with all the mind (100% mental capacity) at all times is part of this requirement.
Especially hard since virtually no human being utilizes 100% of their mental capacity for anything at any time, let alone all the time.

Man uses his mind every time he makes a choice.
All sins are choices.

My point isn't about making choices. It's about utilizing total mental capacity at all times to love God as commanded.

No one utilizes 100% of their mind, all of the time. Therefore, no one loves God with all their mind, all of the time. The requirement is to love God with all of one's mind, all the time. Yet, no one is really even capable of harnessing the full capacity of their own mind at any given time. Let alone, all the time.

That part of the brain that man doesn't use, cannot compel or enable one to commit sin.
They do, however, use all of their mind.
The mind is what we use to make our decisions.
A brain is a physical organ.
The mind is quite different that a physical organ.
It is the manifestations of electrical impulses attached to all its prior experiences and learnings.
We do use 100% of that.

[Hill Top]

... virtually no one consistently [Loves God with all the heart, mind, soul, strength, and might to 100% of ideal human capacity and neighbor as self] at all times to 100% of their capacity.

Everyone who has been reborn of God's seed, does what God wants them to do 100% of the time.

To me, that verse means that a person that is born of God don't sin intentionally, while His seed remains in that person.

All sin is intentional. (James 1:14-15)

It doesn't mean that the seed is certain to always remain in the person (see the Parable of the Sower... Things can happen to the seed).

If the seed of God has not taken root, the bearer of that seed was not reborn.
Seed can only bring forth after itself.

[Hill Top]

Aren't you claiming that a person has to [completely quit sinning] before they can receive the Holy Ghost?

The intention to do so, occurs before one receives the gift that enables the repentant to do so.

Is merely intending to quit sinning enough?

I have heard it said, that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Real intent is followed up with real action.

[Hill Top]

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