Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Did Jesus Actually Say, "My God, My God, Why hast Thou Forsaken Me?"???

[Spiritblade Disciple]

The longer I live the more disunity and satanic junk I find espoused from false teachers and none bible believers everywhere.

There's a lot of confusion about what the Bible actually says.

Recently, I was reminded that there's still a push to disqualify the all of the Greek texts of the New Testament from being considered to be the most accurate. The idea is that supposedly, the New Testament was written, first, in Aramaic.

I was shocked when recently listening to a sermon series about the sayings of Jesus on the Cross and hearing the preacher say that practically every English Bible is wrong about what Jesus said on the Cross because whomever orinially copied the Aramaic "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" of Matthew 27:46 and/or Mark 15:34 copied it incorrectly, resulting in all subsequent copies containing the supposedly erroneous idea that Jesus said “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” rather that what the supposed Aramaic actually should have said.

I spent about a week to ten days looking into the source of the claim, as the preacher didn't cite his sources during the sermon. And, I found the claims to be very wanting.

[Hill Top]

The longer I live the more disunity and satanic junk I find espoused from false teachers and none bible believers everywhere.

There's a lot of confusion about what the Bible actually says.

Recently, I was reminded that there's still a push to disqualify the all of the Greek texts of the New Testament from being considered to be the most accurate. The idea is that supposedly, the New Testament was written, first, in Aramaic.

I was shocked when recently listening to a sermon series about the sayings of Jesus on the Cross and hearing the preacher say that practically every English Bible is wrong about what Jesus said on the Cross because whomever orinially copied the Aramaic "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" of Matthew 27:46 and/or Mark 15:34 copied it incorrectly, resulting in all subsequent copies containing the supposedly erroneous idea that Jesus said “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” rather that what the supposed Aramaic actually should have said.

I spent about a week to ten days looking into the source of the claim, as the preacher didn't cite his sources during the sermon. And, I found the claims to be very wanting.

Did he say what was "actually" written ?

[Spiritblade Disciple]

Did he say what was "actually" written ?

Yes. He claimed the actual wording to be something to the effect of:

• "Eloi, Eloi, lemana shabakthani!"
• "My God, My God, for this for this purpose you have spared me!"
• "My God, My God, This is My destiny!"
• "My God, My God, For this cause I was born!"

These variants line up with The Lamsa Bible and a footnote in The Passion Translation. I'd also guess that they match up to what might be in The Ancient Aramaic New Testament by Roth, but I don't have that in front of me, right now.

For those that don't know, George Lamsa was a friend of William Branham and Branham highly regarded his biblical scholarship.
https://william-branham.org/site/blog/2 ... connection
Some view Branham as a very important figure in Pentecostal history. Others view him as more of a villain and charlatan.

The preacher said the idea of Jesus being Forsaken on the Cross had always bothered him. He thought that if God the Father could forsake Jesus, He could forsake anyone. And, that didn't sit well with the preacher. So, after 40+ years of ministry, he was happy to announce that the King James is wrong (along with most other English Bibles based on the Greek texts of virtually any variety (Textus Receptus, Majority Text, Alexandrian, Critical Text, etc...).

As far as I could learn from my research, virtually no credible scholars buy into the idea of Aramaic Primacy for any of the New Testament texts.

The falseness of the claim actually makes me want to strongly consider being King James Only, again.

[Spiritblade Disciple]

If you'd like to listen to the sermon, it's here:

Rod Parsley - Scars and Stripes Forever - Part 3 - Jesus Never Said That!



#RodParsley #Lamsa #PassionTranslation #KingJamesOnly

The part about the revised saying starts at about 36 minutes in, or so.

[Spiritblade Disciple]

Is there any chance Parsley is right?

[macca]

No.. strange ?
He better scrub out Ps 22:1; while he is at it.
Jesus, God's Messiah was forsaken because He became THE sin offering that was typified throughout the OT.

Darkness from noon foreshadowed the awfulness of God's sacrifice that day for His creation, man.

Parsley would do better to stay away from any thing taught by W B. And his disciples, as he was annointed to preach, Not to teach and start his own religious denomination.

[Hill Top]

Did he say what was "actually" written ?

Yes. He claimed the actual wording to be something to the effect of:

• "Eloi, Eloi, lemana shabakthani!"
• "My God, My God, for this for this purpose you have spared me!"
• "My God, My God, This is My destiny!"
• "My God, My God, For this cause I was born!"

These variants line up with The Lamsa Bible and a footnote in The Passion Translation. I'd also guess that they match up to what might be in The Ancient Aramaic New Testament by Roth, but I don't have that in front of me, right now.

For those that don't know, George Lamsa was a friend of William Branham and Branham highly regarded his biblical scholarship.
https://william-branham.org/site/blog/2 ... connection
Some view Branham as a very important figure in Pentecostal history. Others view him as more of a villain and charlatan.

The preacher said the idea of Jesus being Forsaken on the Cross had always bothered him. He thought that if God the Father could forsake Jesus, He could forsake anyone. And, that didn't sit well with the preacher. So, after 40+ years of ministry, he was happy to announce that the King James is wrong (along with most other English Bibles based on the Greek texts of virtually any variety (Textus Receptus, Majority Text, Alexandrian, Critical Text, etc...).

As far as I could learn from my research, virtually no credible scholars buy into the idea of Aramaic Primacy for any of the New Testament texts.

The falseness of the claim actually makes me want to strongly consider being King James Only, again.

Thank you for the work you've done.

[Spiritblade Disciple]

No.. strange ?
He better scrub out Ps 22:1; while he is at it.
Jesus, God's Messiah was forsaken because He became THE sin offering that was typified throughout the OT.

Darkness from noon foreshadowed the awfulness of God's sacrifice that day for His creation, man.

Parsley would do better to stay away from any thing taught by W B. And his disciples, as he was annointed to preach, Not to teach and start his own religious denomination.

As best as I can remember, Parsley doesn't think Ps 22:1 is in error. Still recognizes it as a prophecy of the Crucifixion. Just doesn't believe that Jesus quoted it.

My main objection is that I don't believe the God would have allowed every Bible in every language other than the Aramaic or Syriac to be wrong for centuries on what Jesus said on the Cross. Too central to the Gospel.

The dying words of a normal man are perceived to be of great value by those that know him. How much more the dying words of our Saviour?

Yes, I know that those near the Cross didn't quite understand what Jesus was saying. But, I have an hard time believing that such an error would creep into ALL of the Greek texts, even IF Aramaic Primacy was true.

[Spiritblade Disciple]

Did he say what was "actually" written ?

Yes. He claimed the actual wording to be something to the effect of:

• "Eloi, Eloi, lemana shabakthani!"
• "My God, My God, for this for this purpose you have spared me!"
• "My God, My God, This is My destiny!"
• "My God, My God, For this cause I was born!"

These variants line up with The Lamsa Bible and a footnote in The Passion Translation. I'd also guess that they match up to what might be in The Ancient Aramaic New Testament by Roth, but I don't have that in front of me, right now.

For those that don't know, George Lamsa was a friend of William Branham and Branham highly regarded his biblical scholarship.
https://william-branham.org/site/blog/2 ... connection
Some view Branham as a very important figure in Pentecostal history. Others view him as more of a villain and charlatan.

The preacher said the idea of Jesus being Forsaken on the Cross had always bothered him. He thought that if God the Father could forsake Jesus, He could forsake anyone. And, that didn't sit well with the preacher. So, after 40+ years of ministry, he was happy to announce that the King James is wrong (along with most other English Bibles based on the Greek texts of virtually any variety (Textus Receptus, Majority Text, Alexandrian, Critical Text, etc...).

As far as I could learn from my research, virtually no credible scholars buy into the idea of Aramaic Primacy for any of the New Testament texts.

The falseness of the claim actually makes me want to strongly consider being King James Only, again.

Thank you for the work you've done.

You're welcome.
For better or worse, I've listened to and read books by Parsley since at least 1991. I've learned a lot from him, but disagreed with him a lot, too.

[macca]

We live in very dark times and being so near the last of the last days many false Christs, false preachers, false teachers false prophets, false word of God books plus information travelling around the world in seconds so that people that do not have a firm foundation in the Word of God are totally defenceless against attacks of Satan and will blindly follow anything that looks and sounds like their own vision of what and who God is.
The majority have forgotten who they have in them, the greater One and they depend on their mind to lead them, not their spirit inspired by the Holy Spirit and the pure Word of God.
Come quickly Lord Jesus.