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[macca]

In Isaiah Ch 6:8; Also I heard the voice of the Lord saying.
"Whom shall I send, And who will go for Us?"

So, who is the Us Jesus is reffering to ?

[bibleman]

In Isaiah Ch 6:8; Also I heard the voice of the Lord saying.
"Whom shall I send, And who will go for Us?"

So, who is the Us Jesus is reffering to ?

I have at least 4 choices....

The Trinity

Verse 8. I... us—The change of number indicates the Trinity (compare Gen 1:26; Gen 11:7). Though not a sure argument for the doctrine, for the plural may indicate merely majesty, it accords with that truth proved elsewhere.
Robert Jamieson, A.R. Fausset, David Brown, A Commentary: Critical, Experimental, and Practical on the Old and New Testaments, (Toledo, OH: Jerome B. Names & Co., 1884), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 6".

God asked, Whom shall I send? And who will go for Us? The word "Us" in reference to God hints at the Trinity (cf. "Us" in Gen. 1:26; 11:7). John Walvoord and Roy Zuck, ed., The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty, (Colorado Springs, CO: Cook Communications, 1985), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 1045.

6:8. Who – To deliver the following message. The change of the number, I and us, is very remarkable; and both being meant of one and the same Lord, do sufficiently intimate a plurality of persons in the Godhead.
Owen Collins, The Classic Bible Commentary: An Essential Collection of History's Finest Commentaries in One Volume, (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Books, 1999), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Isaiah 6:6-8".

Isaiah heard God's call: "Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" I don't need to call attention to the fact that you have both the singular and the plural in this verse, and I believe it sets forth the Trinity.
J. Vernon McGee, Thru The Bible with J. Vernon McGee, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson, 1983), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 6".

Whom shall I send, and who will go for us, to deliver the following message? The change of the number, I and us, is very remarkable; and both being meant of one and the same Lord, do sufficiently intimate a plurality of persons in the Godhead. Matthew Poole, Matthew Poole's Commentary on the Holy Bible, (Peabody, Massachusetts: Hendrickson Publishers, 1985), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 6".

The Lord and His angels

Here the Lord uses the pronoun Us to mean Himself and His angels (Ge. 3:22; Isa 11:7).
Earl Radmacher, Ronald B. Allen, H. Wayne House, ed., Nelson's New Illustrated Bible Commentary, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson, 1999), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Isaiah".

Isa 6:8 At times, the prophets would be invited to participate in the heavenly court (Isa. 22:19-22; Jer. 23:18, 22). Here the Lord uses the pronoun Us to mean Himself and His angels (Ge. 3:22; Isa 11:7).
Earl Radmacher, Ronald B. Allen, H. Wayne House, ed., Nelson's New Illustrated Bible Commentary, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson, 1999), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Isaiah".

The Seraphim and the Lord

The plural "for us" (lânu) is not to be accounted for on the ground that, in a case of reflection or self-consultation, the subject also stands as the object in antithesis to itself (as Hitzig supposes); nor is it a pluralis majestatis, as Knobel maintains; nor is the original abstract signification of the plural hinted at, as Meier thinks. The plural is no doubt used here with reference to the seraphim, who formed, together with the Lord, one deliberative council (sōd kedoshim, Ps 89:8), as in 1 Kings 22:19-22; Dan 4:14, etc.; just as, from their very nature as "sons of God" (bʾnē Hâ-elohim), they made one family with God their Creator (vid., Eph 3:15), all linked so closely together that they themselves could be called Elohim, like God their Creator, just as in 1 Cor 12:12 the church of believers is called Christos, like Christ its head.
F. Delitzsch, Volume 7: Isaiah, (Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 1891), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Isaiah 6:8".

The Lord and His Heavenly council

6:8. us. The familiar picture of a heavenly throne surrounded by the heavenly council is well known from the Ugaritic texts (most notably the Epic of Keret), though this Canaanite council is made up of the gods of the pantheon. Examples occur also in the tenth century building inscription of Yehimilk from Byblos and the Karatepe stele of Azitawadda. In the Akkadian Enuma Elish it is the assembly of the gods that appoints Marduk as their head. Fifty gods made up this assembly with seven in the inner council. In Israelite belief the gods were replaced by angels or spirits—the sons of God or the heavenly host.
John H. Walton, Victor H. Matthews, Mark W. Chavalas, Old Testament, (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2000), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 592.

WHAT do you think???

[Hill Top]

In Isaiah Ch 6:8; Also I heard the voice of the Lord saying.
"Whom shall I send, And who will go for Us?"

So, who is the Us Jesus is reffering to ?

Going by the context, the asker is God, and the 'we' are God and the seraphims

[Hill Top]

In Isaiah Ch 6:8; Also I heard the voice of the Lord saying.
"Whom shall I send, And who will go for Us?"

So, who is the Us Jesus is reffering to ?

I have at least 4 choices....

The Trinity

Verse 8. I... us—The change of number indicates the Trinity (compare Gen 1:26; Gen 11:7). Though not a sure argument for the doctrine, for the plural may indicate merely majesty, it accords with that truth proved elsewhere.
Robert Jamieson, A.R. Fausset, David Brown, A Commentary: Critical, Experimental, and Practical on the Old and New Testaments, (Toledo, OH: Jerome B. Names & Co., 1884), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 6".

God asked, Whom shall I send? And who will go for Us? The word "Us" in reference to God hints at the Trinity (cf. "Us" in Gen. 1:26; 11:7). John Walvoord and Roy Zuck, ed., The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty, (Colorado Springs, CO: Cook Communications, 1985), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 1045.

6:8. Who – To deliver the following message. The change of the number, I and us, is very remarkable; and both being meant of one and the same Lord, do sufficiently intimate a plurality of persons in the Godhead.
Owen Collins, The Classic Bible Commentary: An Essential Collection of History's Finest Commentaries in One Volume, (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Books, 1999), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Isaiah 6:6-8".

Isaiah heard God's call: "Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" I don't need to call attention to the fact that you have both the singular and the plural in this verse, and I believe it sets forth the Trinity.
J. Vernon McGee, Thru The Bible with J. Vernon McGee, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson, 1983), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 6".

Whom shall I send, and who will go for us, to deliver the following message? The change of the number, I and us, is very remarkable; and both being meant of one and the same Lord, do sufficiently intimate a plurality of persons in the Godhead. Matthew Poole, Matthew Poole's Commentary on the Holy Bible, (Peabody, Massachusetts: Hendrickson Publishers, 1985), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 6".

The Lord and His angels

Here the Lord uses the pronoun Us to mean Himself and His angels (Ge. 3:22; Isa 11:7).
Earl Radmacher, Ronald B. Allen, H. Wayne House, ed., Nelson's New Illustrated Bible Commentary, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson, 1999), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Isaiah".

Isa 6:8 At times, the prophets would be invited to participate in the heavenly court (Isa. 22:19-22; Jer. 23:18, 22). Here the Lord uses the pronoun Us to mean Himself and His angels (Ge. 3:22; Isa 11:7).
Earl Radmacher, Ronald B. Allen, H. Wayne House, ed., Nelson's New Illustrated Bible Commentary, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson, 1999), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Isaiah".

The Seraphim and the Lord

The plural "for us" (lânu) is not to be accounted for on the ground that, in a case of reflection or self-consultation, the subject also stands as the object in antithesis to itself (as Hitzig supposes); nor is it a pluralis majestatis, as Knobel maintains; nor is the original abstract signification of the plural hinted at, as Meier thinks. The plural is no doubt used here with reference to the seraphim, who formed, together with the Lord, one deliberative council (sōd kedoshim, Ps 89:8), as in 1 Kings 22:19-22; Dan 4:14, etc.; just as, from their very nature as "sons of God" (bʾnē Hâ-elohim), they made one family with God their Creator (vid., Eph 3:15), all linked so closely together that they themselves could be called Elohim, like God their Creator, just as in 1 Cor 12:12 the church of believers is called Christos, like Christ its head.
F. Delitzsch, Volume 7: Isaiah, (Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 1891), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Isaiah 6:8".

The Lord and His Heavenly council

6:8. us. The familiar picture of a heavenly throne surrounded by the heavenly council is well known from the Ugaritic texts (most notably the Epic of Keret), though this Canaanite council is made up of the gods of the pantheon. Examples occur also in the tenth century building inscription of Yehimilk from Byblos and the Karatepe stele of Azitawadda. In the Akkadian Enuma Elish it is the assembly of the gods that appoints Marduk as their head. Fifty gods made up this assembly with seven in the inner council. In Israelite belief the gods were replaced by angels or spirits—the sons of God or the heavenly host.
John H. Walton, Victor H. Matthews, Mark W. Chavalas, Old Testament, (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2000), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 592.

WHAT do you think???

As Isaiah was written before Jesus was conceived, the 'us' may have been God and the Word.
But I'll stick with my prior "seraphims" answer from earlier.

[macca]

In Isaiah Ch 6:8; Also I heard the voice of the Lord saying.
"Whom shall I send, And who will go for Us?"

So, who is the Us Jesus is reffering to ?

I have at least 4 choices....

The Trinity

Verse 8. I... us—The change of number indicates the Trinity (compare Gen 1:26; Gen 11:7). Though not a sure argument for the doctrine, for the plural may indicate merely majesty, it accords with that truth proved elsewhere.
Robert Jamieson, A.R. Fausset, David Brown, A Commentary: Critical, Experimental, and Practical on the Old and New Testaments, (Toledo, OH: Jerome B. Names & Co., 1884), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 6".

God asked, Whom shall I send? And who will go for Us? The word "Us" in reference to God hints at the Trinity (cf. "Us" in Gen. 1:26; 11:7). John Walvoord and Roy Zuck, ed., The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty, (Colorado Springs, CO: Cook Communications, 1985), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 1045.

6:8. Who – To deliver the following message. The change of the number, I and us, is very remarkable; and both being meant of one and the same Lord, do sufficiently intimate a plurality of persons in the Godhead.
Owen Collins, The Classic Bible Commentary: An Essential Collection of History's Finest Commentaries in One Volume, (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Books, 1999), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Isaiah 6:6-8".

Isaiah heard God's call: "Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" I don't need to call attention to the fact that you have both the singular and the plural in this verse, and I believe it sets forth the Trinity.
J. Vernon McGee, Thru The Bible with J. Vernon McGee, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson, 1983), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 6".

Whom shall I send, and who will go for us, to deliver the following message? The change of the number, I and us, is very remarkable; and both being meant of one and the same Lord, do sufficiently intimate a plurality of persons in the Godhead. Matthew Poole, Matthew Poole's Commentary on the Holy Bible, (Peabody, Massachusetts: Hendrickson Publishers, 1985), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 6".

The Lord and His angels

Here the Lord uses the pronoun Us to mean Himself and His angels (Ge. 3:22; Isa 11:7).
Earl Radmacher, Ronald B. Allen, H. Wayne House, ed., Nelson's New Illustrated Bible Commentary, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson, 1999), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Isaiah".

Isa 6:8 At times, the prophets would be invited to participate in the heavenly court (Isa. 22:19-22; Jer. 23:18, 22). Here the Lord uses the pronoun Us to mean Himself and His angels (Ge. 3:22; Isa 11:7).
Earl Radmacher, Ronald B. Allen, H. Wayne House, ed., Nelson's New Illustrated Bible Commentary, (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson, 1999), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Isaiah".

The Seraphim and the Lord

The plural "for us" (lânu) is not to be accounted for on the ground that, in a case of reflection or self-consultation, the subject also stands as the object in antithesis to itself (as Hitzig supposes); nor is it a pluralis majestatis, as Knobel maintains; nor is the original abstract signification of the plural hinted at, as Meier thinks. The plural is no doubt used here with reference to the seraphim, who formed, together with the Lord, one deliberative council (sōd kedoshim, Ps 89:8), as in 1 Kings 22:19-22; Dan 4:14, etc.; just as, from their very nature as "sons of God" (bʾnē Hâ-elohim), they made one family with God their Creator (vid., Eph 3:15), all linked so closely together that they themselves could be called Elohim, like God their Creator, just as in 1 Cor 12:12 the church of believers is called Christos, like Christ its head.
F. Delitzsch, Volume 7: Isaiah, (Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 1891), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Isaiah 6:8".

The Lord and His Heavenly council

6:8. us. The familiar picture of a heavenly throne surrounded by the heavenly council is well known from the Ugaritic texts (most notably the Epic of Keret), though this Canaanite council is made up of the gods of the pantheon. Examples occur also in the tenth century building inscription of Yehimilk from Byblos and the Karatepe stele of Azitawadda. In the Akkadian Enuma Elish it is the assembly of the gods that appoints Marduk as their head. Fifty gods made up this assembly with seven in the inner council. In Israelite belief the gods were replaced by angels or spirits—the sons of God or the heavenly host.
John H. Walton, Victor H. Matthews, Mark W. Chavalas, Old Testament, (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2000), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 592.

WHAT do you think???

Far too educated for me to understand Leon.
I notice the Septuagint version I have does not have the same ending, so I will leave this alone

[bibleman]

As Isaiah was written before Jesus was conceived, the 'us' may have been God and the Word.
But I'll stick with my prior "seraphims" answer from earlier.

Could very well be the case!

[bibleman]

Far too educated for me to understand Leon.
I notice the Septuagint version I have does not have the same ending, so I will leave this alone

I don't know... I think you got your head on pretty straight!

[macca]

Far too educated for me to understand Leon.
I notice the Septuagint version I have does not have the same ending, so I will leave this alone

I don't know... I think you got your head on pretty straight!

Thanks Leon