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Re: Bodiless Spirits Exist. Why Can't God be Bodiless?

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patrissimo wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:55 pm
bibleman wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:37 pm
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Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:04 pm
"Is there any biblical evidence that God the Father, God the Son, or God the Holy Spirit are bodiless?"

Yes, but it will be reinterpreted. I've already tried going down that road.
No reinterpretation at all...

God does NOT have a physical body! But He does have a spiritual body!

What is so hard to understand about that?
I do understand it and I understand it enough to know it isn't true. You are still ascribing the properties of matter onto a Pure Spirit. This is essentially what atheists do when they argue that our minds are merely epiphenomena of matter as smoke to the fire. Spirit and matter are not the same thing. Spirit is not merely a more refined version of matter as Orson Pratt argued. It is something entirely different.

Materialists (i.e., those who posit that all of reality is material in nature) stuff everything into the material world and attempt to explain it all accordingly."

If Spirit had the properties of matter, then God could never be the One than whom nothing greater can be conceived. For example: Dake says that God has a body and is of a certain size. Size is a property of matter and includes the concept of quantity. Any kind of body conceivable will have a limited size. Anything with quantity can always be conceived of as greater. If someone is six feet tall, they can be conceived of as even taller. Now, what is greater; to have a limited measurement or to be beyond measure? IF you answer the former, then it must be explained how a limited size is greater than the boundless or immeasurable.

Dake also denies Divine Omnipresence in the traditional sense of the word which means wholly present in all things while being contained by none. This denial is consistent with the idea that Spirit has the properties of matter. Again, this is contrary to God being the One who is greater than can be conceived. The Omnipresent is greater than the limited. If a non-Omnipresent god is said to be greater, the question must be answered: How is spatial limitation greater than Omnipresence?

When Christ spoke to the Samaritan woman, He told her that true disciples will not have to only worship in Jerusalem or on a mountain, both of which are spatial locations. This seems to suggest that Spirit is not limited to location.
Problem is all of your mumbo jumbo does not line up with the Word of God.

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1 Cor 15:44

God's Word makes it clear for those who have enough intelligence to read English!


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Re: Bodiless Spirits Exist. Why Can't God be Bodiless?

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I Cor. 15:44 does not say that God is the spiritual body.

I asked earlier:

How is spatial limitation greater than Omnipresence?

This is not mumbo-jumbo. It is a legitimate question. Why do you seem reluctant to directly answer it?


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patrissimo wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:14 am
God has no shape nor is He composed of matter and form. Such attributes are proper to creatures, not the Creator.
So God lied, Paul lied, and Jesus lied? Fascinating. Gen 1:26, Jn 14:9, Heb 1:3, 1 Cor 15:44,


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patrissimo wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 7:44 pm
I Cor. 15:44 does not say that God is the spiritual body.
1 Corinthians 15:44 ...there is a spiritual body.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

If you believed that God has a body... Based on the above Scriptures, what kind of body would you think God has? A Physical or a Spiritual?


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Re: Bodiless Spirits Exist. Why Can't God be Bodiless?

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bibleman wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:23 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 7:44 pm
I Cor. 15:44 does not say that God is the spiritual body.
1 Corinthians 15:44 ...there is a spiritual body.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

If you believed that God has a body... Based on the above Scriptures, what kind of body would you think God has? A Physical or a Spiritual?
When the Lord said God is a Spirit, He did not say God has a spirit body. I Cor. 15:44 does not say that God is a spiritual body.


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Re: Bodiless Spirits Exist. Why Can't God be Bodiless?

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patrissimo wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:34 pm
bibleman wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:23 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 7:44 pm
I Cor. 15:44 does not say that God is the spiritual body.
1 Corinthians 15:44 ...there is a spiritual body.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

If you believed that God has a body... Based on the above Scriptures, what kind of body would you think God has? A Physical or a Spiritual?
When the Lord said God is a Spirit, He did not say God has a spirit body. I Cor. 15:44 does not say that God is a spiritual body.
There are none so blind as those who have eyes and yet still cannot see!


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Re: Bodiless Spirits Exist. Why Can't God be Bodiless?

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bibleman wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:52 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:34 pm
bibleman wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:23 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 7:44 pm
I Cor. 15:44 does not say that God is the spiritual body.
1 Corinthians 15:44 ...there is a spiritual body.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

If you believed that God has a body... Based on the above Scriptures, what kind of body would you think God has? A Physical or a Spiritual?
When the Lord said God is a Spirit, He did not say God has a spirit body. I Cor. 15:44 does not say that God is a spiritual body.
There are none so blind as those who have eyes and yet still cannot see!
What blindness? I said nothing untrue here. The Lord never said God has a spirit body and neither did St. Paul.


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Re: Bodiless Spirits Exist. Why Can't God be Bodiless?

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patrissimo wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:59 am
bibleman wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:52 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:34 pm
bibleman wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:23 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 7:44 pm
I Cor. 15:44 does not say that God is the spiritual body.
1 Corinthians 15:44 ...there is a spiritual body.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

If you believed that God has a body... Based on the above Scriptures, what kind of body would you think God has? A Physical or a Spiritual?
When the Lord said God is a Spirit, He did not say God has a spirit body. I Cor. 15:44 does not say that God is a spiritual body.
There are none so blind as those who have eyes and yet still cannot see!
What blindness? I said nothing untrue here. The Lord never said God has a spirit body and neither did St. Paul.
You have been shown that God is a spirit and spirits have bodies.

Show your unwillingness to accept the Word of God if you like, but you would be more pleasing to God if you would believe what HE said about Himself.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.


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Re: Bodiless Spirits Exist. Why Can't God be Bodiless?

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bibleman wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:36 am
patrissimo wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:59 am
bibleman wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:52 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:34 pm
bibleman wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:23 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 7:44 pm
I Cor. 15:44 does not say that God is the spiritual body.
1 Corinthians 15:44 ...there is a spiritual body.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

If you believed that God has a body... Based on the above Scriptures, what kind of body would you think God has? A Physical or a Spiritual?
When the Lord said God is a Spirit, He did not say God has a spirit body. I Cor. 15:44 does not say that God is a spiritual body.
There are none so blind as those who have eyes and yet still cannot see!
What blindness? I said nothing untrue here. The Lord never said God has a spirit body and neither did St. Paul.
You have been shown that God is a spirit and spirits have bodies.

Show your unwillingness to accept the Word of God if you like, but you would be more pleasing to God if you would believe what HE said about Himself.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
As God is a spirit, I suppose the Word wasn't.
He was the other part of "We".



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Re: Bodiless Spirits Exist. Why Can't God be Bodiless?

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Hill Top wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 3:06 pm
bibleman wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:36 am
patrissimo wrote:
Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:59 am
bibleman wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:52 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:34 pm
bibleman wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:23 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 7:44 pm
I Cor. 15:44 does not say that God is the spiritual body.
1 Corinthians 15:44 ...there is a spiritual body.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

If you believed that God has a body... Based on the above Scriptures, what kind of body would you think God has? A Physical or a Spiritual?
When the Lord said God is a Spirit, He did not say God has a spirit body. I Cor. 15:44 does not say that God is a spiritual body.
There are none so blind as those who have eyes and yet still cannot see!
What blindness? I said nothing untrue here. The Lord never said God has a spirit body and neither did St. Paul.
You have been shown that God is a spirit and spirits have bodies.

Show your unwillingness to accept the Word of God if you like, but you would be more pleasing to God if you would believe what HE said about Himself.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
As God is a spirit, I suppose the Word wasn't.
He was the other part of "We".
How do you get that God is and the Word was not?

Who is the "We" you are talking about?


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