Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Is God in control

[bibleman]

Not an exact quote, but I do have scripture saying that God allows us to freely make our own decisions...
"And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely." (Rev 21:6)
If He wanted to control us, He would force us to "take of the fountain of the water of life".
It is up tp us.

So it being up to us... God is NOT in control is He?

I guess when one asks if God is in control, the parameters have to be set.
God is not in control of our choices, other than to make the choices available to us.
And by making the choices available to us, is in control to some degree.
But God is in control of things, otherwise.

What would some of the these otherwise things that God would be in control of?

My "otherwise" was the things mentioned in that post..."God is not in control of our choices, other than to make the choices available to us."

Well if God is NOT in control of our choices...
And God has said that we reap what we sow...
Then there isn't much God is in control of is there?

Nothing but every other thing in the universe besides our choices.

Well what about hurricanes… is God in control of them?

[Hill Top]

So it being up to us... God is NOT in control is He?

I guess when one asks if God is in control, the parameters have to be set.
God is not in control of our choices, other than to make the choices available to us.
And by making the choices available to us, is in control to some degree.
But God is in control of things, otherwise.

What would some of the these otherwise things that God would be in control of?

My "otherwise" was the things mentioned in that post..."God is not in control of our choices, other than to make the choices available to us."

Well if God is NOT in control of our choices...
And God has said that we reap what we sow...
Then there isn't much God is in control of is there?

Nothing but every other thing in the universe besides our choices.

Well what about hurricanes… is God in control of them?

Yes, He is in control of them.
Was He not in control of the great flood of Noah's time?
It is written..."And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;" (2 Peter 2:5)

[bibleman]

I guess when one asks if God is in control, the parameters have to be set.
God is not in control of our choices, other than to make the choices available to us.
And by making the choices available to us, is in control to some degree.
But God is in control of things, otherwise.

What would some of the these otherwise things that God would be in control of?

My "otherwise" was the things mentioned in that post..."God is not in control of our choices, other than to make the choices available to us."

Well if God is NOT in control of our choices...
And God has said that we reap what we sow...
Then there isn't much God is in control of is there?

Nothing but every other thing in the universe besides our choices.

Well what about hurricanes… is God in control of them?

Yes, He is in control of them.
Was He not in control of the great flood of Noah's time?
It is written..."And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;" (2 Peter 2:5)

So is it your belief that God sends hurricanes to destroy property and human life?

Do you think that God sends every single hurricane that has ever hit land?

[Hill Top]

What would some of the these otherwise things that God would be in control of?

My "otherwise" was the things mentioned in that post..."God is not in control of our choices, other than to make the choices available to us."

Well if God is NOT in control of our choices...
And God has said that we reap what we sow...
Then there isn't much God is in control of is there?

Nothing but every other thing in the universe besides our choices.

Well what about hurricanes… is God in control of them?

Yes, He is in control of them.
Was He not in control of the great flood of Noah's time?
It is written..."And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;" (2 Peter 2:5)

So is it your belief that God sends hurricanes to destroy property and human life?

He may have, but He doesn't check with me first.

Do you think that God sends every single hurricane that has ever hit land?

I don't know about "sends", but He is aware of every hurricane...and of every drop of rain that has ever fallen.

[Bible Reader]

Question to those that say God is not in control, who do you think is in control? Remember Jesus holds the keys of death and the grave. Rev 1:18
Also all authority was given to Jesus Matthew 28:18
With that in mind who do you think is in control?

[bibleman]

Question to those that say God is not in control, who do you think is in control? Remember Jesus holds the keys of death and the grave. Rev 1:18
Also all authority was given to Jesus Matthew 28:18
With that in mind who do you think is in control?

MAN is in control through the law of sowing and reaping.

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Psalm 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

[luchnia]

Above you said: "If God wanted to "control" us, He would."
Do you have a Scripture for this?

Not an exact quote, but I do have scripture saying that God allows us to freely make our own decisions...
"And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely." (Rev 21:6)
If He wanted to control us, He would force us to "take of the fountain of the water of life".
It is up tp us.

Interesting change in your view about the will of man. It is rare that people are open to change their views about their doctrines. If we are to be mature and grow in Christ we must all realize there might be more to what God has given us in His word than how we perceive a matter.

You'll need to remind me of what "view" I have changed.

You believed that once a man is born again he no longer can choose to reject God, which means that God is in control of man's will and man is no longer in control of his choice to believe. That contradicts much of what you are posting in this thread about the will of man.

[Bible Reader]

Question to those that say God is not in control, who do you think is in control? Remember Jesus holds the keys of death and the grave. Rev 1:18
Also all authority was given to Jesus Matthew 28:18
With that in mind who do you think is in control?

MAN is in control through the law of sowing and reaping.

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Psalm 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

So man controls hurricanes and storms? Man controls beautiful sunrises and sunsets. Man controls the birds singing and brooks babbling? Wow! I vote we have more beautiful sunsets! Man makes decisions that carry consequences but God controls creation.

[bibleman]

Question to those that say God is not in control, who do you think is in control? Remember Jesus holds the keys of death and the grave. Rev 1:18
Also all authority was given to Jesus Matthew 28:18
With that in mind who do you think is in control?

MAN is in control through the law of sowing and reaping.

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Psalm 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

So man controls hurricanes and storms? Man controls beautiful sunrises and sunsets. Man controls the birds singing and brooks babbling? Wow! I vote we have more beautiful sunsets! Man makes decisions that carry consequences but God controls creation.

How do you determine that the Bible is wrong in these Scriptures?

Man's choices determine the world we live in: Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

God has given the control of the Earth to man: Psalm 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

[Hill Top]

Above you said: "If God wanted to "control" us, He would."
Do you have a Scripture for this?

Not an exact quote, but I do have scripture saying that God allows us to freely make our own decisions...
"And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely." (Rev 21:6)
If He wanted to control us, He would force us to "take of the fountain of the water of life".
It is up tp us.

Interesting change in your view about the will of man. It is rare that people are open to change their views about their doctrines. If we are to be mature and grow in Christ we must all realize there might be more to what God has given us in His word than how we perceive a matter.

You'll need to remind me of what "view" I have changed.

You believed that once a man is born again he no longer can choose to reject God, which means that God is in control of man's will and man is no longer in control of his choice to believe. That contradicts much of what you are posting in this thread about the will of man.

There is a big difference between "can" and "will" choose something.
For anyone reborn of God's seed, the ability to bring forth the fruit of the devil is an impossibility.
"Choosing" to sin is not an option for the reborn.
Just as "flying" is not an option for an alligator.
The choices we make indicate from whence we are born.