Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Dake and Divine Attributes

[Grandfather]

Heb. 4:13 says, "Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in His sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of Him with whom we have to do."

Dake's DARB note f on this text says: "Gr. ktisis, created thing...Every thought, desire, and intent of every creature of God are constantly under His eyes."

This contradicts Dake's denial of Omniscience which he argued must be understood in a limited sense. He even argued that God sends angels throughout the universe to find out what is going on. But if every thought, desire, and intent of every creature are constantly under His eyes and if all things are naked and opened to Him, then why would He need help finding anything out?

This is one of the areas that I find I either do not understand the point that Dake is attempting to make, or I am in disagreement with his point. If God is not omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence then I do not believe he is truly the Lord God. Yes, I will acknowledge there are passages that make Him appear to be less than omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence, but there are passages that make him omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence.

[Ironman]

You guys. Get a copy of Dakes; "God's Plan for Man," book and start reading on page 60, 61, 62, 63 and 64. All your questions and doubts will be answered!

Ironman.

[bibleman]

It is easy to disagree, but what is impossible is to go to the Scriptures, read them, believe them.... and still disagree!

9. Omniscience (all-knowing) as far as His nature, plan, and work are concerned (Rom. 11:33).

As to free moral agents, God learns certain things about them (Gen. 6:5-7; 11:5-7; 18:21; 22:12; 2Chr. 16:9; Job 12:22; 24:23; Ps. 7:9; 44:21; 139:1-6; Prov. 24:12; Jer. 17:10; Ezek. 11:5; Zech. 4:10; 2Cor. 2:10-11; Rom. 8:27; 1Th. 2:4).

God sends messengers on innumerable errands to help Him carry on His rulership of all things (Dan. 10:13-21; 11:1; 12:1; Zech. 1:7-11; 6:1-8; Mt. 18:10-11; Heb. 1:14).

He permits free moral agents freedom of action as to their conduct and destiny (note, Rom. 8:29).

Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Psalm 14".

Here is one example that cannot be reconciled with the theological opinions that men give concerning the omniscience and omnipresence of God.

Genesis 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

[Grandfather]

It is easy to disagree, but what is impossible is to go to the Scriptures, read them, believe them.... and still disagree!

9. Omniscience (all-knowing) as far as His nature, plan, and work are concerned (Rom. 11:33).

As to free moral agents, God learns certain things about them (Gen. 6:5-7; 11:5-7; 18:21; 22:12; 2Chr. 16:9; Job 12:22; 24:23; Ps. 7:9; 44:21; 139:1-6; Prov. 24:12; Jer. 17:10; Ezek. 11:5; Zech. 4:10; 2Cor. 2:10-11; Rom. 8:27; 1Th. 2:4).

God sends messengers on innumerable errands to help Him carry on His rulership of all things (Dan. 10:13-21; 11:1; 12:1; Zech. 1:7-11; 6:1-8; Mt. 18:10-11; Heb. 1:14).

He permits free moral agents freedom of action as to their conduct and destiny (note, Rom. 8:29).

Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Psalm 14".

Here is one example that cannot be reconciled with the theological opinions that men give concerning the omniscience and omnipresence of God.

Genesis 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

Not if one does not accept Dake's methodology for interpreting scriptures.

[patrissimo]

On p. 623 of the DARB, under the heading "22 attributes of God," Dake says God is "Infinite in presence...in knowledge."

If God is omnibody, not omnipresent as Dake teaches, then how can Dake say God is Infinite in presence?

If God finds things out, how is HE Infinite in knowledge?

Patrissimo

[bibleman]

It is easy to disagree, but what is impossible is to go to the Scriptures, read them, believe them.... and still disagree!

9. Omniscience (all-knowing) as far as His nature, plan, and work are concerned (Rom. 11:33).

As to free moral agents, God learns certain things about them (Gen. 6:5-7; 11:5-7; 18:21; 22:12; 2Chr. 16:9; Job 12:22; 24:23; Ps. 7:9; 44:21; 139:1-6; Prov. 24:12; Jer. 17:10; Ezek. 11:5; Zech. 4:10; 2Cor. 2:10-11; Rom. 8:27; 1Th. 2:4).

God sends messengers on innumerable errands to help Him carry on His rulership of all things (Dan. 10:13-21; 11:1; 12:1; Zech. 1:7-11; 6:1-8; Mt. 18:10-11; Heb. 1:14).

He permits free moral agents freedom of action as to their conduct and destiny (note, Rom. 8:29).

Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Psalm 14".

Here is one example that cannot be reconciled with the theological opinions that men give concerning the omniscience and omnipresence of God.

Genesis 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

Not if one does not accept Dake's methodology for interpreting scriptures.

Dake does not interpret Scriptures.

But that being said where in Genesis 18:21 do you find the liberal modern day understanding of the omniscience and omnipresence of God?

[patrissimo]

What does it mean to not interpret the scripture?

[Grandfather]

It is easy to disagree, but what is impossible is to go to the Scriptures, read them, believe them.... and still disagree!

9. Omniscience (all-knowing) as far as His nature, plan, and work are concerned (Rom. 11:33).

As to free moral agents, God learns certain things about them (Gen. 6:5-7; 11:5-7; 18:21; 22:12; 2Chr. 16:9; Job 12:22; 24:23; Ps. 7:9; 44:21; 139:1-6; Prov. 24:12; Jer. 17:10; Ezek. 11:5; Zech. 4:10; 2Cor. 2:10-11; Rom. 8:27; 1Th. 2:4).

God sends messengers on innumerable errands to help Him carry on His rulership of all things (Dan. 10:13-21; 11:1; 12:1; Zech. 1:7-11; 6:1-8; Mt. 18:10-11; Heb. 1:14).

He permits free moral agents freedom of action as to their conduct and destiny (note, Rom. 8:29).

Finis Jennings Dake, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible: Containing the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized or King James Version Text, (Lawrenceville, GA: Dake Bible Sales, Inc., 1997), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Psalm 14".

Here is one example that cannot be reconciled with the theological opinions that men give concerning the omniscience and omnipresence of God.

Genesis 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

Not if one does not accept Dake's methodology for interpreting scriptures.

Dake does not interpret Scriptures.

But that being said where in Genesis 18:21 do you find the liberal modern day understanding of the omniscience and omnipresence of God?

If Dake does not interpret Scriptures, then why did he give a method for interpreting scripture? (I believe that is lesson #3 from God's Plan for Man) Sorry for the question, but telling others how to do what he doesn't do is nonsensical.

[Grandfather]

Genesis 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.


But that being said where in Genesis 18:21 do you find the liberal modern day understanding of the omniscience and omnipresence of God?

Most liberal modern day understand this as God being nothing more than a very smart man, who needs help to accomplish anything. Basically impotent as a “god”

[Ironman]

Genesis 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.


But that being said where in Genesis 18:21 do you find the liberal modern day understanding of the omniscience and omnipresence of God?

Most liberal modern day understand this as God being nothing more than a very smart man, who needs help to accomplish anything. Basically impotent as a “god”

God did not know man would become so evil. God was sorry he had made man.

Genesis 6: 6, and it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.