Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ This Demonic Rubbish: Discerning the False Teachers from the True

[Spiritblade Disciple]

Just to be certain I'm understanding you...
If this had been your church and it was discovered that a baptized member of the church was found to be fornicating with his father's wife and you kicked him out, he can be restored to full membership in your church without being baptized, again?

Exactly.
He must, however, repent of his sin.

Interesting and an unexpected answer.
From our prior discussions, I would've expected that he would have needed to be baptized, again.

[Spiritblade Disciple]

Are you saying that water baptism is crucifying the Son of God?

It is the "crucifying to ourselves" the Son of God.

Never thought of water baptism, this way.
Thanks for provoking this line of thought.

[Hill Top]

Are you saying that water baptism is crucifying the Son of God?

It is the "crucifying to ourselves" the Son of God.

Never thought of water baptism, this way.
Thanks for provoking this line of thought.

Rom 6:3 says we are baptized into His death.
We join with Jesus in His death, (and in His resurrection), by water baptism.
"For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin." (Rom 6:5-7)
If we don't die with Him, we won't live free of sin with Him either.

[Spiritblade Disciple]

Hill Top,
Do you know of any books that you would recommend that expound on the teachings of your church in an accurate manner?

[Hill Top]

Hill Top,
Do you know of any books that you would recommend that expound on the teachings of your church in an accurate manner?

Sorry, no.

[Spiritblade Disciple]

Just to be certain I'm understanding you...
If this had been your church and it was discovered that a baptized member of the church was found to be fornicating with his father's wife and you kicked him out, he can be restored to full membership in your church without being baptized, again?

Exactly.
He must, however, repent of his sin.

Why would water baptism not be required in his case?

[Hill Top]

Just to be certain I'm understanding you...
If this had been your church and it was discovered that a baptized member of the church was found to be fornicating with his father's wife and you kicked him out, he can be restored to full membership in your church without being baptized, again?

Exactly.
He must, however, repent of his sin.

Why would water baptism not be required in his case?

The sinner had already done his baptism, but hadn't done the repentance from sin.

[Spiritblade Disciple]

The sinner had already done his baptism, but hadn't done the repentance from sin.

Interesting.
I didn't realize that you believed that there could be a time delay between being water baptized and discontinuing the practice of any and all sins.

Very interesting.

[Hill Top]

The sinner had already done his baptism, but hadn't done the repentance from sin.

Interesting.
I didn't realize that you believed that there could be a time delay between being water baptized and discontinuing the practice of any and all sins.
Very interesting.

There shouldn't be a delay, but that is what we would have seen if the adulterer in Corinth had repented.
Or any of those Paul had noted were now gone from the church.

I really can't think of anyone in the bible coming back after having committed a sin, in the NT, so I really don't have any example of what to do with the untrue.

[Spiritblade Disciple]

There shouldn't be a delay, but that is what we would have seen if the adulterer in Corinth had repented.
Or any of those Paul had noted were now gone from the church.

I really can't think of anyone in the bible coming back after having committed a sin, in the NT, so I really don't have any example of what to do with the untrue.

Thanks. This puts a lot of things we have discussed in prior conversations in a new light. I think I've misunderstood your position for quite a while.

Thank you.