Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Question: Who on this board believes they are divine?

[bibleman]

Why do you believe that Dake didn't believe that Adam's failure to "keep" the garden was sinful?

The mark was set. Dress and keep the garden. Adam failed.

Isn't sin missing the mark?

Yes that was Adam's duty to keep the garden, but that failure did NOT happen until the act was committed at the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Notice what God asked Adam!

Genesis 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

NOT have you failed to "keep" the Garden and eaten of the tree!

[Spiritblade Disciple]

Do you think that it might be possible that the reason that was asked was because that was the capital offense?

Asking because Dake, at times, differentiates between death penalty and non-death penalty sins. Perhaps, failure to guard and protect the garden was not the capital offense, even if it was an offense?

[bibleman]

Do you think that it might be possible that the reason that was asked was because that was the capital offense?

Asking because Dake, at times, differentiates between death penalty and non-death penalty sins. Perhaps, failure to guard and protect the garden was not the capital offense, even if it was an offense?

No not at all.

No sin could have taken place until the eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil as stated in Gen 2:17.

We have no authority to speculate beyond what is written.

[macca]

Do you think that it might be possible that the reason that was asked was because that was the capital offense?

Asking because Dake, at times, differentiates between death penalty and non-death penalty sins. Perhaps, failure to guard and protect the garden was not the capital offense, even if it was an offense?

No not at all.

No sin could have taken place until the eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil as stated in Gen 2:17.

We have no authority to speculate beyond what is written.

Great answer Pastor.
1 Cor. 4:6; (that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written. )

[macca]

I find 1 Tim. 4:5; speaks to what has happened to many ministers in these days, for they (some) are more concerned in wealth than living for Jesus.
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

I notice that their power (ability) in God is lacking .

[bibleman]

I find 1 Tim. 4:5; speaks to what has happened to many ministers in these days, for they (some) are more concerned in wealth than living for Jesus.
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

I notice that their power (ability) in God is lacking .

Very true, there is very little faith in the earth these days.

And with little faith then of course the power is not present.

[bibleman]

I would love to hear your answers to these questions.

1. I know of no BIble verse that supports the idea that Adam sinned out of love for Eve. But, if he did, I believe the choice was made before the serpent was permitted to tempt Eve.

Just read this tonight and thought it might be of some interest.

Not a Bible verse of course.

“We seem, therefore, to be driven upon the supposition that excessive love bent him to her entreaties, and made him determine to share her fate. And herein we see his unfitness to receive such a gift from God : for though he had done well to love her better than himself, he was hopelessly entangled in the snare of sinful foolishness when he so idolised her as to be willing to break the law of her Creator.” —- Earth’s Earliest Ages by GWPember

[Hill Top]

I would love to hear your answers to these questions.

1. I know of no BIble verse that supports the idea that Adam sinned out of love for Eve. But, if he did, I believe the choice was made before the serpent was permitted to tempt Eve.

Just read this tonight and thought it might be of some interest.
Not a Bible verse of course.

“We seem, therefore, to be driven upon the supposition that excessive love bent him to her entreaties, and made him determine to share her fate. And herein we see his unfitness to receive such a gift from God : for though he had done well to love her better than himself, he was hopelessly entangled in the snare of sinful foolishness when he so idolised her as to be willing to break the law of her Creator.” —- Earth’s Earliest Ages by GWPember

The key word there is "supposition".
Without biblical facts, all things are suppositions.

[bibleman]

I would love to hear your answers to these questions.

1. I know of no BIble verse that supports the idea that Adam sinned out of love for Eve. But, if he did, I believe the choice was made before the serpent was permitted to tempt Eve.

Just read this tonight and thought it might be of some interest.
Not a Bible verse of course.

“We seem, therefore, to be driven upon the supposition that excessive love bent him to her entreaties, and made him determine to share her fate. And herein we see his unfitness to receive such a gift from God : for though he had done well to love her better than himself, he was hopelessly entangled in the snare of sinful foolishness when he so idolised her as to be willing to break the law of her Creator.” —- Earth’s Earliest Ages by GWPember

The key word there is "supposition".
Without biblical facts, all things are suppositions.

Absolutely.

But sounds reasonable to me.

[Spiritblade Disciple]

Just read this tonight and thought it might be of some interest.

Not a Bible verse of course.

“We seem, therefore, to be driven upon the supposition that excessive love bent him to her entreaties, and made him determine to share her fate. And herein we see his unfitness to receive such a gift from God : for though he had done well to love her better than himself, he was hopelessly entangled in the snare of sinful foolishness when he so idolised her as to be willing to break the law of her Creator.” —- Earth’s Earliest Ages by GWPember

Interesting that Pember also believes that Adam was in sin prior to eating the forbidden fruit when he became "hopelessly entangled in the snare of sinful foolishness" when he became "willing to break the law of" his "Creator."

Thank you for sharing this.