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luchnia wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:04 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:35 pm
You all are forcing me to do my homework...which is a good thing! Here is what St. Ignatius of Antioch said in ca. 105 AD.

"Jesus Christ was with the Father before the ages, and in the end, He was revealed."

Here is an early martyr who probably knew St. John the Evangelist personally. Where did he get this?
So Jesus was born before He was born? Very baroque concept.
Yes. A very Christian concept - always was. We believe in two Nativities: One according to Divinity and one according to humanity.


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Re: The eternal sonship heresy!

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"By this hath the charity of God appeared towards us, because God hath sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we may live by him." - I Jn. 4:9


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patrissimo wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:35 pm
You all are forcing me to do my homework...which is a good thing! Here is what St. Ignatius of Antioch said in ca. 105 AD.

"Jesus Christ was with the Father before the ages, and in the end, He was revealed."

Here is an early martyr who probably knew St. John the Evangelist personally. Where did he get this?
God couldn't be a Father before Jesus was conceived.
I'ld be more interested in whether or not Ignatius preached that man can live without sinning.
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Re: The eternal sonship heresy!

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patrissimo wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:46 pm
luchnia wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:04 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:35 pm
You all are forcing me to do my homework...which is a good thing! Here is what St. Ignatius of Antioch said in ca. 105 AD.

"Jesus Christ was with the Father before the ages, and in the end, He was revealed."

Here is an early martyr who probably knew St. John the Evangelist personally. Where did he get this?
So Jesus was born before He was born? Very baroque concept.
Yes. A very Christian concept - always was. We believe in two Nativities: One according to Divinity and one according to humanity.
Mind telling us who is "we"?



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Re: The eternal sonship heresy!

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patrissimo wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:46 pm
luchnia wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:04 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:35 pm
You all are forcing me to do my homework...which is a good thing! Here is what St. Ignatius of Antioch said in ca. 105 AD.

"Jesus Christ was with the Father before the ages, and in the end, He was revealed."

Here is an early martyr who probably knew St. John the Evangelist personally. Where did he get this?
So Jesus was born before He was born? Very baroque concept.
Yes. A very Christian concept - always was. We believe in two Nativities: One according to Divinity and one according to humanity.
The challenge is that it is not a Christian concept, but another doctrine of deceit. It never ceases to amaze how many false doctrines are out there these days. Just when one thinks they have seen them all another one like this pops up.

Wisdom would clean the slate of all falsehoods such as "Two Nativities" that get in the way of God's word and stay in God's word alone for His truth that brings understanding from above.


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Re: The eternal sonship heresy!

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Hill Top wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:30 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:46 pm
luchnia wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:04 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:35 pm
You all are forcing me to do my homework...which is a good thing! Here is what St. Ignatius of Antioch said in ca. 105 AD.

"Jesus Christ was with the Father before the ages, and in the end, He was revealed."

Here is an early martyr who probably knew St. John the Evangelist personally. Where did he get this?
So Jesus was born before He was born? Very baroque concept.
Yes. A very Christian concept - always was. We believe in two Nativities: One according to Divinity and one according to humanity.
Mind telling us who is "we"?
I meant we who hold to the more orthodox position.


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Re: The eternal sonship heresy!

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patrissimo wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:58 am
Hill Top wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:30 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:46 pm
luchnia wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:04 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:35 pm
You all are forcing me to do my homework...which is a good thing! Here is what St. Ignatius of Antioch said in ca. 105 AD.

"Jesus Christ was with the Father before the ages, and in the end, He was revealed."

Here is an early martyr who probably knew St. John the Evangelist personally. Where did he get this?
So Jesus was born before He was born? Very baroque concept.
Yes. A very Christian concept - always was. We believe in two Nativities: One according to Divinity and one according to humanity.
Mind telling us who is "we"?
I meant we who hold to the more orthodox position.
I interpret the "we" as people who are from places we are not!"

It is an "unknowable" we.


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Re: The eternal sonship heresy!

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patrissimo wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:58 am
Hill Top wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:30 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:46 pm
luchnia wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:04 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:35 pm
You all are forcing me to do my homework...which is a good thing! Here is what St. Ignatius of Antioch said in ca. 105 AD.

"Jesus Christ was with the Father before the ages, and in the end, He was revealed."

Here is an early martyr who probably knew St. John the Evangelist personally. Where did he get this?
So Jesus was born before He was born? Very baroque concept.
Yes. A very Christian concept - always was. We believe in two Nativities: One according to Divinity and one according to humanity.
Mind telling us who is "we"?
I meant we who hold to the more orthodox position.
Whose orthodoxy?



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Re: The eternal sonship heresy!

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bibleman wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:21 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:58 am
Hill Top wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:30 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:46 pm
luchnia wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:04 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:35 pm
You all are forcing me to do my homework...which is a good thing! Here is what St. Ignatius of Antioch said in ca. 105 AD.

"Jesus Christ was with the Father before the ages, and in the end, He was revealed."

Here is an early martyr who probably knew St. John the Evangelist personally. Where did he get this?
So Jesus was born before He was born? Very baroque concept.
Yes. A very Christian concept - always was. We believe in two Nativities: One according to Divinity and one according to humanity.
Mind telling us who is "we"?
I meant we who hold to the more orthodox position.
I interpret the "we" as people who are from places we are not!"

It is an "unknowable" we.
You should have stuck with the context.
I was trying to figure out who believes in two nativities/births of Christ.
I feel one time was sufficient.



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Re: The eternal sonship heresy!

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Hill Top wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:29 pm
bibleman wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:21 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:58 am
Hill Top wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:30 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:46 pm
luchnia wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:04 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:35 pm
You all are forcing me to do my homework...which is a good thing! Here is what St. Ignatius of Antioch said in ca. 105 AD.

"Jesus Christ was with the Father before the ages, and in the end, He was revealed."

Here is an early martyr who probably knew St. John the Evangelist personally. Where did he get this?
So Jesus was born before He was born? Very baroque concept.
Yes. A very Christian concept - always was. We believe in two Nativities: One according to Divinity and one according to humanity.
Mind telling us who is "we"?
I meant we who hold to the more orthodox position.
I interpret the "we" as people who are from places we are not!"

It is an "unknowable" we.
You should have stuck with the context.
I was trying to figure out who believes in two nativities/births of Christ.
I feel one time was sufficient.
I was just trying to torment patrissimo a little bit using the same kind of goofy :silly: language that he uses in his responses.

I guess I should have made that clear.


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The fault in Bible complications is not with God or the Bible, but with men who refuse to believe what God says and think we have to interpret what He says in order to get the meaning. Dake Bible -Mark 11:17 note

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