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Ironman wrote:
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Bibleman. Just wondering because I cannot find it, Was my last post responding to Parissimo deleted??
No it was not. I have been off the board for about 1 day now, at church activities.


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bibleman wrote:
Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:21 pm
Ironman wrote:
Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:02 pm

Bibleman. Just wondering because I cannot find it, Was my last post responding to Parissimo deleted??
No it was not. I have been off the board for about 1 day now, at church activities.
I wonder what happened??


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Ironman wrote:
Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:28 pm
bibleman wrote:
Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:21 pm
Ironman wrote:
Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:02 pm

Bibleman. Just wondering because I cannot find it, Was my last post responding to Parissimo deleted??
No it was not. I have been off the board for about 1 day now, at church activities.
I wonder what happened??
I don't know. I had one of mine disappear 2 days ago. They did upgrade the server a day ago but that was only for 1 hour.


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Re: If God does NOT have a body then how did he sit, wear clothes and have hair on His head?

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bibleman wrote:
Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:39 pm
Ironman wrote:
Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:28 pm
bibleman wrote:
Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:21 pm
Ironman wrote:
Sun Apr 17, 2022 7:02 pm

Bibleman. Just wondering because I cannot find it, Was my last post responding to Parissimo deleted??
No it was not. I have been off the board for about 1 day now, at church activities.
I wonder what happened??
I don't know. I had one of mine disappear 2 days ago. They did upgrade the server a day ago but that was only for 1 hour.
Thank you!


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Re: If God does NOT have a body then how did he sit, wear clothes and have hair on His head?

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luchnia wrote:
Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:49 am
patrissimo wrote:
Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:22 pm
Why would a bodiless person need to be referred to as an it? Where do you get the idea that a personal pronoun must refer to a body? I know Scripture says no such thing. It's also interesting to me that you think whatever is not a body is an abstraction. This is liberal theology.
The personal pronoun he or she refers to masculine of feminine aspects of a person. Those two pronouns always refer to male or female, but of course the darkness in the world is trying to change that now starting with our children. The world wants a bodiless non-gender god.

An essence has no form or shape so one might ask why are the members of the Godhead referred to as a HE as described in the bible? Did the translators make a mistake where this is concerned? Or is essence in the bodiless godhead scenario always to be understood as masculine essences that are somehow persons? BTW person by today's definition is a human being.

What does the bodiless godhead essences show us about other essences in existence throughout the expanse since we are told that we know what we don't see by what we see? Would they be persons too and would they be he or she or is this confined to the bodiless godhead only and not other essences?

Just trying to get a grasp on this baroque non-scriptural understanding of God. It seems similar to the "universal spiritism" belief system such as Maya Angelou, Opra Winfree, and many others hold.
What I am talking about is not baroque and is not new age. It's basic Christian doctrine and always has been. The same people who compiled the NT canon as you know it believed as I do, not as you do. The concept "person" was developed by the Catholic Church during the Trinitarian and Christological controversies in the early Church.


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Ironman wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:12 pm
From Dake's God's Plan for man.
We are exact
replicas of God only mortal. God said, "And God said, Let us make man in our
image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and
over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." (Gen. 1:26).



I believe what read in God's Word, teaches us that God has a body with bodily
parts, hands, feet, eyes, head, mouth, hair, that He speaks, listenes, has a
heart, eats food etc. I have listed many Scriptures which shows this and many
more can be found. Many catholics I have spoken with regarding these Scriptures
do not believe them because it is contrary to their belief that God can be
reduced to a sliver of bread and held in a monstrance or tabernacle.



God has a spirit body with bodily parts like a man. This is proved by hundreds
of Scriptures that do not need interpretation. God is a Spirit being, infinate,
eternal, immutable, self-existent, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent,
invisible, impartial, immortal, absolutely holy, full of wisdom, full of
knowledge, and just in all things. God is known in Scripture by over two
hundred names. He is describes as being like any other person as to having a
body, soul, and spirit (Job 13:8; Heb. 1:3; Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-7). He is a spirit being with a body (Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-6, 9-19, Exodus 24:11; Gen. 18' 32:24-32;
Ezek. 1:26-28; Acts 7:54-59; Rev. 4:2-4; 5:1,
5-7; 22:4-5); shape (John 5:37); form
(Phil. 2:5-7, same Greek word as in Mark 16:12, which
refers to bodily form); and an image and likeness of a man (Gen. 1:26; 9:6;
Ezek. 1:26-28; 1 Cor. 11:7; jas.
3:9; Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-6).



He has a heart (Gen. 6:6; 8:21);
hands and fingers (Exod. 31:18; Psalms 8:3-6; Rev. 5:1, 6-7);
Nostrils (Ps. 18:8); mouth (Num. 12:8); lips
and tongue (Isa. 30:27; feet
(Ezek. 1:27; Exodus 24:10);
eyes, eyelids, sight (Ps. 11:4; 18:24;
33:18); voice (Ps. 29; Rev. 10:3-4; Gen. 1); breath (Gen. 2:70; ears (Ps. 18:6); head,
hair, face, arms (Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-19; Rev. 5:1; loins
(Ezek. 1:26:28; 8:1-4); bodily presence (Gen. 3:8; 18:1-22;
Job 1:6-12; 2:1-7;
Exodus 24:10-11);
and many other bodily parts as required by Him to be a person with a body.



God goes from place to place just like any one else (Gen. 3:8; 11:5;
18:1-22, 33; 19:24; 32:24-32; 35:13; Zech. 14:5; Titus 2:13). God
is omnipresent but not omni body, that is His presence can be felt everywhere
but His body is not everywhere. God wears cloths (Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-19; God eats food (Gen. 18:1-22; Exodus 24:11).



There is not one Scripture in the Bible which states that God is intangible,
immaterial, without a body, or bodily parts, and passions except John 4:24,
"God is a spirit," and this certainly does not teach that He is
without a body.



Paul speaks of the human flesh and bone bodies in the resurrection as being
"Spiritual" (1 Cor. 15:42-44),
like unto Christs glorious body (Luke 24:39; Phil.
3:20-21); so if human bodies that become spiritualized are still material and
tangible, then certainly God and other spirits have bodies just as real and
still be spirit beings. John 4:24 is a
statement of fact that God is a Spirit, but it does not define or analyze a
spirit.



Turn to Genesis, chapter one. God had been busy for a number of days during
that re-creation week, making various CREATURES of the land, sea, and air.
Nothing is said about them having the form of God Himself. After all those
creatures were created notice what God says in verses 26,27, "....Let us
MAKE MAN in OUR IMAGE, after OUR LIKENESS.. ..So God created MAN in His OWN
IMAGE, in the IMAGE OF GOD created he him; male and female...."


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Right at the very beginning of the Bible, the Eternal God tells us that He
created mankind in, not the likeness or image of the angels or any other spirit
being, but He formed and gave mankind the IMAGE or LIKENESS of HIMSELF. God
took the dirt of the ground and molded the shape and form of man from it to
resemble the image or shape of very GOD.



God first revealed Himself in a mighty way to Moses from the burning bush. From
that time on the Eternal and Moses were friends with a "buddy-buddy"
relationship. This relationship between the Lord and Moses was so personal that
it is recorded, "And the Lord spoke unto Moses FACE to FACE, as a man
speaks unto a friend...."(Ex.33:11). Now our "no body" for God
teachers will say either this is just a metaphor or God appeared as a human,
but when in the "spirit" He has no body or face. Of course that is
the answer they will give to any section of scripture where God appeared to
men. But there was a time when God appeared to Moses IN THE SPIRIT FORM - the
Lord opening up his eyes to see Himself in the spirit dimension, that the human
eye can not usually see, Read the example of the servant of Elisha in 2 Kings 6.



So close a relationship did Moses have with God that Moses was so bold as to ask the Lord to show Himself to him, not as a human but as He really IS. Moses' request is found in Exodus 33:18.
Notice the reply from the Eternal: "....You can not SEE MY FACE; for no man can see me and live."(verse 20). God did not say to Moses that He did not have a body and so did not have a face and so could not show Himself in the spirit form as having a shape. To the CONTRARY, the answer to Moses SHOWS CLEARLY GOD DOES HAVE A FACE AND BODY! He told Moses that no man could look upon the face of Godin spirit form and live. How simpler can the word of God be in this matter? No theological degree needed to understand this verse, just believe it for what it says. In Exodus 33 18, Moses asked God to show him His Glory. "And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory." And God said to Moses; "I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; etc. God also said to Moses, "Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." Exodus 33:18-20.



Moses asked to see God's glory as expressed in His face or countenance, not to
see His face apart from His glory. That Moses could have seen God's literal
face is clearly stated in verse 11, where it says, "And the Lord spake
unto Moses face to face as a man speaketh unto his friend, and that he had seen
Gods glory in a limited sense is clear from Exodus 16:10; and 24:17; so the
request was for something he had not uet seen. Many others have also seen Gods
face and spirit body apart from the glory of God.



Regarding the impossibility of man beholding the face of God when He
"dwells in a light whom no man has seen nor can see" (1 Tim. 6:16,
Moses became an example of this himself when his face could not be looked upon
by the people, Israel, because of its brightness (Exodus 34:29-35; and 2 Cor.
3:6-18). God showed Moses His glory as expressed in His back parts, or the
glorious after effects and glimpse of the glory after it had passed by (Verse
20-23). God gave Moses a further revelation of His character and infinate
nature in, (Verse 19). The Hebrew word for goodness is "tuwb,"
superlative good; the best of a person; and absolute beauty. This referes to
the infinate beauty or glory of God which was to pass before Moses while he was
hidden in the cleft of the rock (Verse 22).



Jacob saw God FACE TO FACE and lived! "And Jacob called the name of the
place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved"
(Gen. 32:30). Abraham made a dinner for God and two angels and they ate food
(Gen. 18). Moses talked with God face to face (Exodus 33:11-23). Seventy four
elders had a banquet with God in Sinai (Exodus 24:9-11). Joshua and all Israel
saw God with a sword in His hand (Josh. 5:13-15).



Gidion (Judg. 6:11-23), Manoah and wife (Judg. 13:3-23), David (1 Chron.
21:16-17), Job (42:5), Isaiah (6:1-13), Amos (9:1), and others saw God standing
on the ground, sitting on thrones, and having a body with bodily parts like a
man. Ezekiel saw God on a chariot and described Him as having an
"appearance of a man" with loins and the upper and lower parts of a
body like a man (Ezek 1:26-28; 10:1, 20; 40:3). Daniel saw both God the Father
and the Son of man as two separate beiongs at the same time and at the same
place. God was on a throne, and had on white cloths, and His hair was white.
The Son of man also had a body, had cloths on, and had hair on His head (Dan.
7:9-14; 10:5-6). Stephen saw both God and Christ at the same time and place
with the same eyes (Acts 7:56-59).
"Many catholics I have spoken with regarding these Scriptures
do not believe them because it is contrary to their belief that God can be
reduced to a sliver of bread and held in a monstrance or tabernacle."

Most Catholics today are at least material heretics by the standards of their own Church. Most "Catholics" today neither know nor truly care what the Church teaches. This is especially true of the sell-out clergy. In three decades, I have not met one "Catholic" clergyman or monastic who was fully orthodox according to their own Church - and I have met lots of them. They disgust me and I see them as clowns or worse.

Further, the Catholic doctrine of the Eucharist does not say that "God can be reduced to a sliver of bread..." The actual doctrine says that after the consecration, there is no bread. Actually, Dake's doctrine comes closer to saying God can be reduced to a sliver of bread than does the actual Catholic doctrine since in Dake's doctrine, God shares the attribute of corporeality with the bread.

The reason Catholics or Orthodox or even traditional Protestants do not accept the idea that God is corporeal because such is not true Apostolic doctrine. The Church fathers are unanimous against this idea which was called extremely stupid ("stultissima") by St. Jerome. Relatively few in Christian history even professed such things. There is a story in the Conferences of St. John Cassian about a monk who believed his whole life that God had a body and was very shaken when he learned he was in error. God is that than which nothing greater can be conceived. Anything that is a body can be conceived of as greater. If it is a certain size, it can be conceived of as having greater size. If it is made of mud, it can be conceived of as being made of gold.


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patrissimo wrote:
Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:33 am
The reason Catholics or Orthodox or even traditional Protestants do not accept the idea that God is corporeal because such is not true Apostolic doctrine. The Church fathers are unanimous against this idea which was called extremely stupid ("stultissima") by St. Jerome. Relatively few in Christian history even professed such things. There is a story in the Conferences of St. John Cassian about a monk who believed his whole life that God had a body and was very shaken when he learned he was in error. God is that than which nothing greater can be conceived. Anything that is a body can be conceived of as greater. If it is a certain size, it can be conceived of as having greater size. If it is made of mud, it can be conceived of as being made of gold.
This is good enough for me to know that God has a body to behold even in His glorious state. Let God's word be true no matter what men conjure up:
Exodus 33:18-23 (KJV)
18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.


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luchnia wrote:
Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:53 am
patrissimo wrote:
Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:33 am
The reason Catholics or Orthodox or even traditional Protestants do not accept the idea that God is corporeal because such is not true Apostolic doctrine. The Church fathers are unanimous against this idea which was called extremely stupid ("stultissima") by St. Jerome. Relatively few in Christian history even professed such things. There is a story in the Conferences of St. John Cassian about a monk who believed his whole life that God had a body and was very shaken when he learned he was in error. God is that than which nothing greater can be conceived. Anything that is a body can be conceived of as greater. If it is a certain size, it can be conceived of as having greater size. If it is made of mud, it can be conceived of as being made of gold.
This is good enough for me to know that God has a body to behold even in His glorious state. Let God's word be true no matter what men conjure up:
Exodus 33:18-23 (KJV)
18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
How do you know your interpretation is the author's intended meaning?


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patrissimo wrote:
Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:13 am
luchnia wrote:
Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:53 am
patrissimo wrote:
Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:33 am
The reason Catholics or Orthodox or even traditional Protestants do not accept the idea that God is corporeal because such is not true Apostolic doctrine. The Church fathers are unanimous against this idea which was called extremely stupid ("stultissima") by St. Jerome. Relatively few in Christian history even professed such things. There is a story in the Conferences of St. John Cassian about a monk who believed his whole life that God had a body and was very shaken when he learned he was in error. God is that than which nothing greater can be conceived. Anything that is a body can be conceived of as greater. If it is a certain size, it can be conceived of as having greater size. If it is made of mud, it can be conceived of as being made of gold.
This is good enough for me to know that God has a body to behold even in His glorious state. Let God's word be true no matter what men conjure up:
Exodus 33:18-23 (KJV)
18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
How do you know your interpretation is the author's intended meaning?
Exodus 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Did God lie to Moses when HE told him that he would see his "back parts" ???


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patrissimo wrote:
Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:13 am
luchnia wrote:
Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:53 am
patrissimo wrote:
Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:33 am
The reason Catholics or Orthodox or even traditional Protestants do not accept the idea that God is corporeal because such is not true Apostolic doctrine. The Church fathers are unanimous against this idea which was called extremely stupid ("stultissima") by St. Jerome. Relatively few in Christian history even professed such things. There is a story in the Conferences of St. John Cassian about a monk who believed his whole life that God had a body and was very shaken when he learned he was in error. God is that than which nothing greater can be conceived. Anything that is a body can be conceived of as greater. If it is a certain size, it can be conceived of as having greater size. If it is made of mud, it can be conceived of as being made of gold.
This is good enough for me to know that God has a body to behold even in His glorious state. Let God's word be true no matter what men conjure up:
Exodus 33:18-23 (KJV)
18 And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.
How do you know your interpretation is the author's intended meaning?
Why not let it be as it is written? So should we change this to mean something else? Is that what you are implying? Should clift of rock not be clift of rock, and stand upon a rock not be stand upon a rock, and face not be face, and hand not be hand, and back parts not be back parts? So all these things have some secret unexplained meaning and God simply conveyed a lie to us about Himself?


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