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If God does NOT have a body then how did he sit, wear clothes and have hair on His head?

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Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

Daniel 7:9 (AMP) I kept looking until thrones were placed [for the assessors with the Judge], and the Ancient of Days [God, the eternal Father] took His seat, Whose garment was white as snow and the hair of His head like pure wool. His throne was like the fiery flame; its wheels were burning fire.

Question? If God does NOT have a body:

1) then how did he sit?
2) how did He wear clothes?
3) how did He have hair on His head?

The answer is obvious God does in fact have a body.


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If God has a body, how come we haven't seen His foot on the earth which is called His footsool (Is. 66:1)? Further, if the earth is moving as Dake has argued in his notes, why would God use a moving footstool?


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patrissimo wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:09 pm
If God has a body, how come we haven't seen His foot on the earth which is called His footsool (Is. 66:1)? Further, if the earth is moving as Dake has argued in his notes, why would God use a moving footstool?
Keep reading....

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

If God does not have a body - WHAT is his hand attached to?


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bibleman wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:32 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:09 pm
If God has a body, how come we haven't seen His foot on the earth which is called His footsool (Is. 66:1)? Further, if the earth is moving as Dake has argued in his notes, why would God use a moving footstool?
Keep reading....

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

If God does not have a body - WHAT is his hand attached to?
Did God use his hands during the 4,164,383,561,643, 836,164,383 years it took Him to make the stars and planets?

God's body parts in Scripture are analogies for His Divine Operation. We can only say what God is not and when we use positive language, it is analogous. For example, when we say He is Infinite, we are saying what He is NOT. The same goes for other Attributes.


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patrissimo wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:36 pm
bibleman wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:32 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:09 pm
If God has a body, how come we haven't seen His foot on the earth which is called His footsool (Is. 66:1)? Further, if the earth is moving as Dake has argued in his notes, why would God use a moving footstool?
Keep reading....

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

If God does not have a body - WHAT is his hand attached to?
Did God use his hands during the 4,164,383,561,643, 836,164,383 years it took Him to make the stars and planets?

God's body parts in Scripture are analogies for His Divine Operation. We can only say what God is not and when we use positive language, it is analogous. For example, when we say He is Infinite, we are saying what He is NOT. The same goes for other Attributes.
Daniel said God cold sit... wore clothes... and had hair on his head.

Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

I have no reason the believe that Daniel lied to me as you say.

So God does in fact have bodily parts.


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bibleman wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 7:16 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:36 pm
bibleman wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:32 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:09 pm
If God has a body, how come we haven't seen His foot on the earth which is called His footsool (Is. 66:1)? Further, if the earth is moving as Dake has argued in his notes, why would God use a moving footstool?
Keep reading....

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

If God does not have a body - WHAT is his hand attached to?
Did God use his hands during the 4,164,383,561,643, 836,164,383 years it took Him to make the stars and planets?

God's body parts in Scripture are analogies for His Divine Operation. We can only say what God is not and when we use positive language, it is analogous. For example, when we say He is Infinite, we are saying what He is NOT. The same goes for other Attributes.
Daniel said God cold sit... wore clothes... and had hair on his head.

Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

I have no reason the believe that Daniel lied to me as you say.

So God does in fact have bodily parts.
It doesn't mean He's lying.

Human Beings wore no clothes prior to the Fall. After the Fall clothes were first used to hide shame and then for protection from the elements. Why would God need clothes?


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From Dake's God's Plan for man.
We are exact
replicas of God only mortal. God said, "And God said, Let us make man in our
image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and
over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." (Gen. 1:26).



I believe what read in God's Word, teaches us that God has a body with bodily
parts, hands, feet, eyes, head, mouth, hair, that He speaks, listenes, has a
heart, eats food etc. I have listed many Scriptures which shows this and many
more can be found. Many catholics I have spoken with regarding these Scriptures
do not believe them because it is contrary to their belief that God can be
reduced to a sliver of bread and held in a monstrance or tabernacle.



God has a spirit body with bodily parts like a man. This is proved by hundreds
of Scriptures that do not need interpretation. God is a Spirit being, infinate,
eternal, immutable, self-existent, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent,
invisible, impartial, immortal, absolutely holy, full of wisdom, full of
knowledge, and just in all things. God is known in Scripture by over two
hundred names. He is describes as being like any other person as to having a
body, soul, and spirit (Job 13:8; Heb. 1:3; Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-7). He is a spirit being with a body (Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-6, 9-19, Exodus 24:11; Gen. 18' 32:24-32;
Ezek. 1:26-28; Acts 7:54-59; Rev. 4:2-4; 5:1,
5-7; 22:4-5); shape (John 5:37); form
(Phil. 2:5-7, same Greek word as in Mark 16:12, which
refers to bodily form); and an image and likeness of a man (Gen. 1:26; 9:6;
Ezek. 1:26-28; 1 Cor. 11:7; jas.
3:9; Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-6).



He has a heart (Gen. 6:6; 8:21);
hands and fingers (Exod. 31:18; Psalms 8:3-6; Rev. 5:1, 6-7);
Nostrils (Ps. 18:8); mouth (Num. 12:8); lips
and tongue (Isa. 30:27; feet
(Ezek. 1:27; Exodus 24:10);
eyes, eyelids, sight (Ps. 11:4; 18:24;
33:18); voice (Ps. 29; Rev. 10:3-4; Gen. 1); breath (Gen. 2:70; ears (Ps. 18:6); head,
hair, face, arms (Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-19; Rev. 5:1; loins
(Ezek. 1:26:28; 8:1-4); bodily presence (Gen. 3:8; 18:1-22;
Job 1:6-12; 2:1-7;
Exodus 24:10-11);
and many other bodily parts as required by Him to be a person with a body.



God goes from place to place just like any one else (Gen. 3:8; 11:5;
18:1-22, 33; 19:24; 32:24-32; 35:13; Zech. 14:5; Titus 2:13). God
is omnipresent but not omni body, that is His presence can be felt everywhere
but His body is not everywhere. God wears cloths (Dan. 7:9-14;
10:5-19; God eats food (Gen. 18:1-22; Exodus 24:11).



There is not one Scripture in the Bible which states that God is intangible,
immaterial, without a body, or bodily parts, and passions except John 4:24,
"God is a spirit," and this certainly does not teach that He is
without a body.



Paul speaks of the human flesh and bone bodies in the resurrection as being
"Spiritual" (1 Cor. 15:42-44),
like unto Christs glorious body (Luke 24:39; Phil.
3:20-21); so if human bodies that become spiritualized are still material and
tangible, then certainly God and other spirits have bodies just as real and
still be spirit beings. John 4:24 is a
statement of fact that God is a Spirit, but it does not define or analyze a
spirit.



Turn to Genesis, chapter one. God had been busy for a number of days during
that re-creation week, making various CREATURES of the land, sea, and air.
Nothing is said about them having the form of God Himself. After all those
creatures were created notice what God says in verses 26,27, "....Let us
MAKE MAN in OUR IMAGE, after OUR LIKENESS.. ..So God created MAN in His OWN
IMAGE, in the IMAGE OF GOD created he him; male and female...."


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Right at the very beginning of the Bible, the Eternal God tells us that He
created mankind in, not the likeness or image of the angels or any other spirit
being, but He formed and gave mankind the IMAGE or LIKENESS of HIMSELF. God
took the dirt of the ground and molded the shape and form of man from it to
resemble the image or shape of very GOD.



God first revealed Himself in a mighty way to Moses from the burning bush. From
that time on the Eternal and Moses were friends with a "buddy-buddy"
relationship. This relationship between the Lord and Moses was so personal that
it is recorded, "And the Lord spoke unto Moses FACE to FACE, as a man
speaks unto a friend...."(Ex.33:11). Now our "no body" for God
teachers will say either this is just a metaphor or God appeared as a human,
but when in the "spirit" He has no body or face. Of course that is
the answer they will give to any section of scripture where God appeared to
men. But there was a time when God appeared to Moses IN THE SPIRIT FORM - the
Lord opening up his eyes to see Himself in the spirit dimension, that the human
eye can not usually see, Read the example of the servant of Elisha in 2 Kings 6.



So close a relationship did Moses have with God that Moses was so bold as to ask the Lord to show Himself to him, not as a human but as He really IS. Moses' request is found in Exodus 33:18.
Notice the reply from the Eternal: "....You can not SEE MY FACE; for no man can see me and live."(verse 20). God did not say to Moses that He did not have a body and so did not have a face and so could not show Himself in the spirit form as having a shape. To the CONTRARY, the answer to Moses SHOWS CLEARLY GOD DOES HAVE A FACE AND BODY! He told Moses that no man could look upon the face of Godin spirit form and live. How simpler can the word of God be in this matter? No theological degree needed to understand this verse, just believe it for what it says. In Exodus 33 18, Moses asked God to show him His Glory. "And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory." And God said to Moses; "I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; etc. God also said to Moses, "Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." Exodus 33:18-20.



Moses asked to see God's glory as expressed in His face or countenance, not to
see His face apart from His glory. That Moses could have seen God's literal
face is clearly stated in verse 11, where it says, "And the Lord spake
unto Moses face to face as a man speaketh unto his friend, and that he had seen
Gods glory in a limited sense is clear from Exodus 16:10; and 24:17; so the
request was for something he had not uet seen. Many others have also seen Gods
face and spirit body apart from the glory of God.



Regarding the impossibility of man beholding the face of God when He
"dwells in a light whom no man has seen nor can see" (1 Tim. 6:16,
Moses became an example of this himself when his face could not be looked upon
by the people, Israel, because of its brightness (Exodus 34:29-35; and 2 Cor.
3:6-18). God showed Moses His glory as expressed in His back parts, or the
glorious after effects and glimpse of the glory after it had passed by (Verse
20-23). God gave Moses a further revelation of His character and infinate
nature in, (Verse 19). The Hebrew word for goodness is "tuwb,"
superlative good; the best of a person; and absolute beauty. This referes to
the infinate beauty or glory of God which was to pass before Moses while he was
hidden in the cleft of the rock (Verse 22).



Jacob saw God FACE TO FACE and lived! "And Jacob called the name of the
place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved"
(Gen. 32:30). Abraham made a dinner for God and two angels and they ate food
(Gen. 18). Moses talked with God face to face (Exodus 33:11-23). Seventy four
elders had a banquet with God in Sinai (Exodus 24:9-11). Joshua and all Israel
saw God with a sword in His hand (Josh. 5:13-15).



Gidion (Judg. 6:11-23), Manoah and wife (Judg. 13:3-23), David (1 Chron.
21:16-17), Job (42:5), Isaiah (6:1-13), Amos (9:1), and others saw God standing
on the ground, sitting on thrones, and having a body with bodily parts like a
man. Ezekiel saw God on a chariot and described Him as having an
"appearance of a man" with loins and the upper and lower parts of a
body like a man (Ezek 1:26-28; 10:1, 20; 40:3). Daniel saw both God the Father
and the Son of man as two separate beiongs at the same time and at the same
place. God was on a throne, and had on white cloths, and His hair was white.
The Son of man also had a body, had cloths on, and had hair on His head (Dan.
7:9-14; 10:5-6). Stephen saw both God and Christ at the same time and place
with the same eyes (Acts 7:56-59).


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Here is a variation on my last question. Man needs food. Why does God eat? What does God need?


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patrissimo wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 8:52 pm
Here is a variation on my last question. Man needs food. Why does God eat? What does God need?
Why does God eat? He eats because because He can. We all know the pleasures related to eating. Good food is enjoyable, for God intended it that way.

What does God need? God needs nothing.


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patrissimo wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 7:20 pm
bibleman wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 7:16 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:36 pm
bibleman wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:32 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:09 pm
If God has a body, how come we haven't seen His foot on the earth which is called His footsool (Is. 66:1)? Further, if the earth is moving as Dake has argued in his notes, why would God use a moving footstool?
Keep reading....

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

If God does not have a body - WHAT is his hand attached to?
Did God use his hands during the 4,164,383,561,643, 836,164,383 years it took Him to make the stars and planets?

God's body parts in Scripture are analogies for His Divine Operation. We can only say what God is not and when we use positive language, it is analogous. For example, when we say He is Infinite, we are saying what He is NOT. The same goes for other Attributes.
Daniel said God cold sit... wore clothes... and had hair on his head.

Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

I have no reason the believe that Daniel lied to me as you say.

So God does in fact have bodily parts.
It doesn't mean He's lying.

Human Beings wore no clothes prior to the Fall. After the Fall clothes were first used to hide shame and then for protection from the elements. Why would God need clothes?
Didn't say he needed them... said Daniel said he wore them!

Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

Your problem is simple... You just don't want to accept the clear and plain information the Bible gives us about God. You would prefer theologians who don't believe the Bible!


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