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Nowhere in the Bible is heaven called a planet. The word planet means wandering star. Again, nowhere in the Bible is heaven called a wandering star.


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Nowhere in the Bible is heaven called a planet. The word planet means wandering star. Again, nowhere in the Bible is heaven called a wandering star.
To the ancients there were 5 wandering stars and Earth was NOT one of them. Five planets — Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn were known to the ancients. To the unaided eye, these planets appear starlike. However, the planets moved relative to the stars. For this reason they were called wandering stars.

So... Nowhere in the Bible is Earth called a planet. The word planet means wandering star (to the ancients). Again, nowhere in the Bible is the Earth called a wandering star.


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bibleman wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:10 pm
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Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:58 pm
Nowhere in the Bible is heaven called a planet. The word planet means wandering star. Again, nowhere in the Bible is heaven called a wandering star.
Nowhere in the Bible is Earth called a planet. The word planet means wandering star (to the ancients). Again, nowhere in the Bible is the Earth called a wandering star.
Correct. The Earth is not a planet. It is in the center of the universe and does not rotate on an axis nor does it revolve around the sun. These things were never proven. Modern physics accepts geocentrism as a possibility.

You believe God has a body and that one of the proofs of this are the numerous verses in scripture which speak of God having bodily parts and functions. What about Is. 66:1? Is God's footstool a moving footstool?


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patrissimo wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:13 pm
bibleman wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:10 pm
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Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:58 pm
Nowhere in the Bible is heaven called a planet. The word planet means wandering star. Again, nowhere in the Bible is heaven called a wandering star.
Nowhere in the Bible is Earth called a planet. The word planet means wandering star (to the ancients). Again, nowhere in the Bible is the Earth called a wandering star.
Correct. The Earth is not a planet. It is in the center of the universe and does not rotate on an axis nor does it revolve around the sun. These things were never proven. Modern physics accepts geocentrism as a possibility.

You believe God has a body and that one of the proofs of this are the numerous verses in scripture which speak of God having bodily parts and functions. What about Is. 66:1? Is God's footstool a moving footstool?
Don't be crazy!

"A planet is a large object that orbits a star. To be a planet, an object must be massive enough for gravity to have squeezed it into a spherical, or round, shape,. It must also be large enough for gravity to have swept up any rocky or icy objects from its path, or orbit, around the star.

Scientists believe planets begin to form when a dense cloud of dust and gas, called a nebula, spins around a newly formed star. Gradually, gravity causes the bits of matter in the nebula to clump together. Slowly, these clumps accumulate and grow. Eventually, these clumps become planets.

Earth is one of eight planets that circle the star we call the sun. Together, the sun, the planets, and smaller objects such as moons make up our solar system."

https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/planet/


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bibleman wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:17 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:13 pm
bibleman wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:10 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:58 pm
Nowhere in the Bible is heaven called a planet. The word planet means wandering star. Again, nowhere in the Bible is heaven called a wandering star.
Nowhere in the Bible is Earth called a planet. The word planet means wandering star (to the ancients). Again, nowhere in the Bible is the Earth called a wandering star.
Correct. The Earth is not a planet. It is in the center of the universe and does not rotate on an axis nor does it revolve around the sun. These things were never proven. Modern physics accepts geocentrism as a possibility.

You believe God has a body and that one of the proofs of this are the numerous verses in scripture which speak of God having bodily parts and functions. What about Is. 66:1? Is God's footstool a moving footstool?

Don't be crazy!

"A planet is a large object that orbits a star. To be a planet, an object must be massive enough for gravity to have squeezed it into a spherical, or round, shape,. It must also be large enough for gravity to have swept up any rocky or icy objects from its path, or orbit, around the star.

Scientists believe planets begin to form when a dense cloud of dust and gas, called a nebula, spins around a newly formed star. Gradually, gravity causes the bits of matter in the nebula to clump together. Slowly, these clumps accumulate and grow. Eventually, these clumps become planets.

Earth is one of eight planets that circle the star we call the sun. Together, the sun, the planets, and smaller objects such as moons make up our solar system."

https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/planet/
I don't look to National Geographic for accurate science. They have been promoting evolution for years. The Earth is at the center of mass of the universe. Its size is thus irrelevant. Ever since Hubble, scientists have known that the earth at least appears to be in the center of the cosmos. Hubble saw red shift in every direction. That meant that everything was receding away from us as if we were an unmoving center. This horrified Hubble when he should have been thrilled. In his book A Brief History of Time, Hawking discusses this and admits that the fact that the galaxies are moving away from us at the same rate in every direction makes it appear that we have a favored position. He tries to get around it by saying that it would appear that way no matter where we were in the cosmos although he knows there is no empirical evidence for that - which is why he says he accepts this ad hoc explanation out of a sense of modesty! That's "science" for ya!

You described the nebular hypothesis which originally came from Emmanuel Swedenborg's visions. I don't look to occultists such as him to learn science.


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patrissimo wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:30 pm
bibleman wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:17 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:13 pm
bibleman wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:10 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:58 pm
Nowhere in the Bible is heaven called a planet. The word planet means wandering star. Again, nowhere in the Bible is heaven called a wandering star.
Nowhere in the Bible is Earth called a planet. The word planet means wandering star (to the ancients). Again, nowhere in the Bible is the Earth called a wandering star.
Correct. The Earth is not a planet. It is in the center of the universe and does not rotate on an axis nor does it revolve around the sun. These things were never proven. Modern physics accepts geocentrism as a possibility.

You believe God has a body and that one of the proofs of this are the numerous verses in scripture which speak of God having bodily parts and functions. What about Is. 66:1? Is God's footstool a moving footstool?

Don't be crazy!

"A planet is a large object that orbits a star. To be a planet, an object must be massive enough for gravity to have squeezed it into a spherical, or round, shape,. It must also be large enough for gravity to have swept up any rocky or icy objects from its path, or orbit, around the star.

Scientists believe planets begin to form when a dense cloud of dust and gas, called a nebula, spins around a newly formed star. Gradually, gravity causes the bits of matter in the nebula to clump together. Slowly, these clumps accumulate and grow. Eventually, these clumps become planets.

Earth is one of eight planets that circle the star we call the sun. Together, the sun, the planets, and smaller objects such as moons make up our solar system."

https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/planet/
I don't look to National Geographic for accurate science. They have been promoting evolution for years. The Earth is at the center of mass of the universe. Its size is thus irrelevant. Ever since Hubble, scientists have known that the earth at least appears to be in the center of the cosmos. Hubble saw red shift in every direction. That meant that everything was receding away from us as if we were an unmoving center. This horrified Hubble when he should have been thrilled. In his book A Brief History of Time, Hawking discusses this and admits that the fact that the galaxies are moving away from us at the same rate in every direction makes it appear that we have a favored position. He tries to get around it by saying that it would appear that way no matter where we were in the cosmos although he knows there is no empirical evidence for that - which is why he says he accepts this ad hoc explanation out of a sense of modesty! That's "science" for ya!

You described the nebular hypothesis which originally came from Emmanuel Swedenborg's visions. I don't look to occultists such as him to learn science.
When you get some concrete scientific proof let me know.

Until then Earth is still a planet.

And by the way so is the planet Heaven.


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bibleman wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:14 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:30 pm
bibleman wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:17 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:13 pm
bibleman wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:10 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:58 pm
Nowhere in the Bible is heaven called a planet. The word planet means wandering star. Again, nowhere in the Bible is heaven called a wandering star.
Nowhere in the Bible is Earth called a planet. The word planet means wandering star (to the ancients). Again, nowhere in the Bible is the Earth called a wandering star.
Correct. The Earth is not a planet. It is in the center of the universe and does not rotate on an axis nor does it revolve around the sun. These things were never proven. Modern physics accepts geocentrism as a possibility.

You believe God has a body and that one of the proofs of this are the numerous verses in scripture which speak of God having bodily parts and functions. What about Is. 66:1? Is God's footstool a moving footstool?

Don't be crazy!

"A planet is a large object that orbits a star. To be a planet, an object must be massive enough for gravity to have squeezed it into a spherical, or round, shape,. It must also be large enough for gravity to have swept up any rocky or icy objects from its path, or orbit, around the star.

Scientists believe planets begin to form when a dense cloud of dust and gas, called a nebula, spins around a newly formed star. Gradually, gravity causes the bits of matter in the nebula to clump together. Slowly, these clumps accumulate and grow. Eventually, these clumps become planets.

Earth is one of eight planets that circle the star we call the sun. Together, the sun, the planets, and smaller objects such as moons make up our solar system."

https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/planet/
I don't look to National Geographic for accurate science. They have been promoting evolution for years. The Earth is at the center of mass of the universe. Its size is thus irrelevant. Ever since Hubble, scientists have known that the earth at least appears to be in the center of the cosmos. Hubble saw red shift in every direction. That meant that everything was receding away from us as if we were an unmoving center. This horrified Hubble when he should have been thrilled. In his book A Brief History of Time, Hawking discusses this and admits that the fact that the galaxies are moving away from us at the same rate in every direction makes it appear that we have a favored position. He tries to get around it by saying that it would appear that way no matter where we were in the cosmos although he knows there is no empirical evidence for that - which is why he says he accepts this ad hoc explanation out of a sense of modesty! That's "science" for ya!

You described the nebular hypothesis which originally came from Emmanuel Swedenborg's visions. I don't look to occultists such as him to learn science.
When you get some concrete scientific proof let me know.

Until then Earth is still a planet.

And by the way so is the planet Heaven.
But the Bible never says heaven or earth are planets.

As for scientific proof, didn't I mention red shift already? There is also the fact that quasars form concentric shells centered on the earth when such wasn't expected.

“The going down and rising of the sun daily is man’s expression for the earth’s turning on its axis so that only part of it is toward the sun at certain times. The earth revolves making it appear that the sun is actually moving around the globe. In reality the sun also revolves but travels through the heavens making its own prescribed circuit as do all stars and planets.” -DARB notes on Josh. 10:13

"And the sun and the moon stood still, till the people revenged themselves of their enemies. Is not this written in the book of the just? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down the space of one day." -Josh. 10:13-14

Dake says the earth stopped moving when the text says the sun AND the moon stopped moving. If the sun only appeared to stand still due to the earth ceasing its rotation, then why is the moon also said to have ceased moving?

Einstein said no experiment ever showed the earth is actually in motion.



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"There is evidence that Emanuel Swedenborg first proposed parts of the nebular theory in 1734.[4][5] Immanuel Kant, familiar with Swedenborg's work, developed the theory further in 1755, publishing his own Universal Natural History and Theory of the Heavens, wherein he argued that gaseous clouds (nebulae) slowly rotate, gradually collapse and flatten due to gravity, eventually forming stars and planets." - Wikipedia article on Nebular Hypothesis


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patrissimo wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:58 pm
Nowhere in the Bible is heaven called a planet. The word planet means wandering star. Again, nowhere in the Bible is heaven called a wandering star.
What difference does it make if heaven is called a planet or if the earth is called a planet in the Bible? The Dake forum that you are posting on is not in mentioned in the Bible either, yet you are posting on it. Does it not exist because it is not mentioned in the Bible?

What is more important from God's word is that spirit, heaven, and earth among many other items have form or body and are not void or nothingness. God is not a God of confusion. Think of form or body like a God created objective purposeful and non-chaotic structure.


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luchnia wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 7:13 am
patrissimo wrote:
Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:58 pm
Nowhere in the Bible is heaven called a planet. The word planet means wandering star. Again, nowhere in the Bible is heaven called a wandering star.
What difference does it make if heaven is called a planet or if the earth is called a planet in the Bible? The Dake forum that you are posting on is not in mentioned in the Bible either, yet you are posting on it. Does it not exist because it is not mentioned in the Bible?

What is more important from God's word is that spirit, heaven, and earth among many other items have form or body and are not void or nothingness. God is not a God of confusion. Think of form or body like a God created objective purposeful and non-chaotic structure.
Do you realize that what you are saying is that if something is not a body, it cannot exist? That is basically Epicurean philosophy. Christianity is not Epicureanism or any other Greek philosophy. If the scriptures which speak of God as having body parts were literal, then why hasn't anyone seen God's foot on this earth? Dake says that we can't see God due to His distance from us and not because He is intrinsically invisible.


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