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Is God without limits?

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Using the term God as we do really causes all types of problems in understanding because we first need to know who are we referring to? Blanket statement like, "God is omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent" is a waste of time since one does not know who is being referred to.

Are we referring to The Father, The Son, or The Holy Spirit, or possibly others, if there are others. We cannot answer the last part of that statement because we don't know. Which one of the three recorded in scripture that we do know about is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, or are they all? Why do we even add such non-biblical terms to God?

Look at sin for a moment. It would be so simple to rid the earth of sin and have the euphoric life that many (those that really don't seek to understand the Bible) believe they will have. Why not rid the earth of it and stop the waiting game? Maybe there is a purpose as to why God (whichever one or all of them) does what they do? Could it be that purpose is based on the action of divine love which outweighs lower level reasoning?

The children of the kingdom should know the deep things of God because it is given us to understand, yet we remain ignorant when it comes to the actually attributes of the various members of God and purpose much less understand the overall plan.

We appear to struggle to put it all together. The disciples were with Jesus daily and yet they struggled to understand. Jesus told His disciples that if they have seen Him they have seen The Father. You would think something like this would not have alluded their understanding.

What was Jesus like? Was He not the Word/logos become flesh and walked among men, yet He was limited (or did He choose to be?) and even stated that He did not know certain things that His Father knew. Do we not get a true glimpse of what The Father is like and what Jesus' union with The Father was like within the pages of scripture?

Is The Father limited, is The Son limited, and is The Holy Spirit limited, and if so do changes that occur along the way force them to make changes/limits so the plan can be followed?


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I agree with St. Anselm that:

God is that than which nothing greater can be conceived.

God is whatever it is better to be than not to be.

God is greater than what can be thought.


What's the problem?


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luchnia wrote:
Sun Dec 19, 2021 7:02 am
Using the term God as we do really causes all types of problems in understanding because we first need to know who are we referring to? Blanket statement like, "God is omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent" is a waste of time since one does not know who is being referred to.

Are we referring to The Father, The Son, or The Holy Spirit, or possibly others, if there are others. We cannot answer the last part of that statement because we don't know. Which one of the three recorded in scripture that we do know about is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, or are they all? Why do we even add such non-biblical terms to God?

Look at sin for a moment. It would be so simple to rid the earth of sin and have the euphoric life that many (those that really don't seek to understand the Bible) believe they will have. Why not rid the earth of it and stop the waiting game? Maybe there is a purpose as to why God (whichever one or all of them) does what they do? Could it be that purpose is based on the action of divine love which outweighs lower level reasoning?

The children of the kingdom should know the deep things of God because it is given us to understand, yet we remain ignorant when it comes to the actually attributes of the various members of God and purpose much less understand the overall plan.

We appear to struggle to put it all together. The disciples were with Jesus daily and yet they struggled to understand. Jesus told His disciples that if they have seen Him they have seen The Father. You would think something like this would not have alluded their understanding.

What was Jesus like? Was He not the Word/logos become flesh and walked among men, yet He was limited (or did He choose to be?) and even stated that He did not know certain things that His Father knew. Do we not get a true glimpse of what The Father is like and what Jesus' union with The Father was like within the pages of scripture?

Is The Father limited, is The Son limited, and is The Holy Spirit limited, and if so do changes that occur along the way force them to make changes/limits so the plan can be followed?
When I use the term "God", I refer to the Father.
When I use the term "Jesus", I refer to the Word, made flesh.
When I refer to the term "Holy Ghost", I refer to a manifestation of God the Father.
When I refer to the term "Word", I refer to the physical aspect of God the Father, who Himself is a spirit.



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patrissimo wrote:
Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:06 pm
I agree with St. Anselm that:

God is that than which nothing greater can be conceived.

God is whatever it is better to be than not to be.

God is greater than what can be thought.


What's the problem?
Problem is God is not a "that." He is a personal being!


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Yes. God is Personal.

Is He greater than what can be thought?


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patrissimo wrote:
Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:57 pm
Yes. God is Personal.

Is He greater than what can be thought?
Ephesians 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,


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bibleman wrote:
Sun Dec 19, 2021 5:02 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:57 pm
Yes. God is Personal.

Is He greater than what can be thought?
Ephesians 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
Dake seems to think that it is possible to think too highly of God. In his note *c for II Chron. 2:6 ("But who is able to build him an house, seeing the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain him?") he wrote:

"Such statements from scripture give some a mystical impression of God - One so great, so large, so present everywhere, so spiritual and invisible that their theories become out of proportion with truth expressed in other passages."

See? He says "One so great..." This implies a disagreement with the conception of God which says He is greater than what can be thought. Dake means this concept of God is so great that it is too great. How is it greater to not be greater than what can be thought? I can think of a being greater than Dake's conception of God who needs angels to find things out for Him; namely, one who knows everything and needs no one to learn anything. In what sense could it be greater to need assistance to learn things rather than being Omniscient?

He says "so present everywhere..." This is a denial of Omnipresence (in the traditional sense). Again, in what sense is it greater to not be present everywhere rather than to be wholly present everywhere?


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patrissimo wrote:
Sun Dec 19, 2021 5:21 pm
bibleman wrote:
Sun Dec 19, 2021 5:02 pm
patrissimo wrote:
Sun Dec 19, 2021 4:57 pm
Yes. God is Personal.

Is He greater than what can be thought?
Ephesians 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
Dake seems to think that it is possible to think too highly of God. In his note *c for II Chron. 2:6 ("But who is able to build him an house, seeing the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain him?") he wrote:

"Such statements from scripture give some a mystical impression of God - One so great, so large, so present everywhere, so spiritual and invisible that their theories become out of proportion with truth expressed in other passages."

See? He says "One so great..." This implies a disagreement with the conception of God which says He is greater than what can be thought. Dake means this concept of God is so great that it is too great. How is it greater to not be greater than what can be thought? I can think of a being greater than Dake's conception of God who needs angels to find things out for Him; namely, one who knows everything and needs no one to learn anything. In what sense could it be greater to need assistance to learn things rather than being Omniscient?

He says "so present everywhere..." This is a denial of Omnipresence (in the traditional sense). Again, in what sense is it greater to not be present everywhere rather than to be wholly present everywhere?
Yes some people do in fact think about God in ways that the Bible does not allow for.

This is a true statement: "Such statements from scripture give some a mystical impression of God - One so great, so large, so present everywhere, so spiritual and invisible that their theories become out of proportion with truth expressed in other passages."

Just because God is greater than what we can think or imagine does not mean that WHAT we think or imagine is true of God.

Example: some think God is a mass murdered. He is NOT a mass murdered.

You said: "I can think of a being greater than Dake's conception of God who needs angels to find things out for Him;"

Doesn't matter what you think... When the Bible gives us examples of angels telling Him things then that is the way it is, no matter if you can understand it or not.

If God says He is LOVE - then even if you say: "how can a God be a god of love who sends people to Hell?" Doesn't matter it only shows your shallow thinking concerning God's ways of righteousness and judgement.

So all of man's little thoughts and ideas they get from want-to-be theologians who don't know God... makes no difference. God is what He says he is in Scripture.

If you can't understand that, then it simple shows you need to open you mind to the Word of God and be renewed to HIS revelation about Himself.


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Just a thought on this, anyone that wants to know God, who He is and what He does, will never find out unless he becomes born again.
1 Cor. 2:10-16;
Also, confusion and Satan will accommodate anyone that attempts to understand God outside of the written word of God.



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macca wrote:
Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:41 am
Just a thought on this, anyone that wants to know God, who He is and what He does, will never find out unless he becomes born again.
1 Cor. 2:10-16;
Also, confusion and Satan will accommodate anyone that attempts to understand God outside of the written word of God.
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