Dake Bible Discussion Board ⇒ Bodiless Spirits Exist. Why Can't God be Bodiless?

[patrissimo]

"HUM... I think YES the way to say it would be that demons are in fact disembodied that is, the spirt of humans now called demons, that have been left on earth... when their bodies were destroyed by the flood of Genesis 1:2"

Bibleman said this in the Re: Old Testament Giants thread.

[bibleman]

"HUM... I think YES the way to say it would be that demons are in fact disembodied that is, the spirt of humans now called demons, that have been left on earth... when their bodies were destroyed by the flood of Genesis 1:2"

Bibleman said this in the Re: Old Testament Giants thread.

Yes that is correct. Demons are disembodied from the humans. As such they no longer have a human body. That in no whyimplies that they do not have a spiritual body. Souls, which contain the spirit have spiritual in nature bodies, just not physical bodies as humans have.

There is a spiritual body. 1 Corinthians 15:44 …There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Soulish bodies are even able to wear clothes which they could not do unless they possessed a soulish, spiritual form (spiritual body).

Revelation 6:9-11 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

[luchnia]

If it's possible for bodiless spirits to exist, then why can't God be a bodiless spirit?

Maybe in a new age euphoric belief system, but not according to God's word. Why change God to some bodiless nothingness? What would that gain? Man is made in God's image and is man bodiless?

Why do you equate bodilessness with nothingness? In an earlier post, Leon Bible said there could be bodiless spirits. Are such spirits nothing?

Belief in an Incorporeal God has always been the Jewish/Christian belief and Christians are not new agers and I certainly am no new ager.

What form or shape would something bodiless have? A body is simply a structure that gives something form whether that be spiritual or physical bodies and we see that across many realms.

[patrissimo]

God has no shape nor is He composed of matter and form. Such attributes are proper to creatures, not the Creator.

[patrissimo]

I said nothing about a flat earth nor do I believe in that. The Church fathers were more or less unanimous that the earth was a sphere. We have known scientifically that the motion of the earth whether it be rotation or revolution have never been proven since the Michelson-Morley Experiment. Einstein invented Relativity to try and save "science" from the Church. This really is what happened.

[patrissimo]

I said nothing about a flat earth nor do I believe in that. The Church fathers were more or less unanimous that the earth was a sphere. We have known scientifically that the motion of the earth whether it be rotation or revolution have never been proven since the Michelson-Morley Experiment. Einstein invented Relativity to try and save "science" from the Church. This really is what happened.

[patrissimo]

"Is there any biblical evidence that God the Father, God the Son, or God the Holy Spirit are bodiless?"

Yes, but it will be reinterpreted. I've already tried going down that road.

[bibleman]

"Is there any biblical evidence that God the Father, God the Son, or God the Holy Spirit are bodiless?"

Yes, but it will be reinterpreted. I've already tried going down that road.

No reinterpretation at all...

God does NOT have a physical body! But He does have a spiritual body!

What is so hard to understand about that?

[patrissimo]

"Is there any biblical evidence that God the Father, God the Son, or God the Holy Spirit are bodiless?"

Yes, but it will be reinterpreted. I've already tried going down that road.

No reinterpretation at all...

God does NOT have a physical body! But He does have a spiritual body!

What is so hard to understand about that?

I do understand it and I understand it enough to know it isn't true. You are still ascribing the properties of matter onto a Pure Spirit. This is essentially what atheists do when they argue that our minds are merely epiphenomena of matter as smoke to the fire. Spirit and matter are not the same thing. Spirit is not merely a more refined version of matter as Orson Pratt argued. It is something entirely different.

Materialists (i.e., those who posit that all of reality is material in nature) stuff everything into the material world and attempt to explain it all accordingly."

If Spirit had the properties of matter, then God could never be the One than whom nothing greater can be conceived. For example: Dake says that God has a body and is of a certain size. Size is a property of matter and includes the concept of quantity. Any kind of body conceivable will have a limited size. Anything with quantity can always be conceived of as greater. If someone is six feet tall, they can be conceived of as even taller. Now, what is greater; to have a limited measurement or to be beyond measure? IF you answer the former, then it must be explained how a limited size is greater than the boundless or immeasurable.

Dake also denies Divine Omnipresence in the traditional sense of the word which means wholly present in all things while being contained by none. This denial is consistent with the idea that Spirit has the properties of matter. Again, this is contrary to God being the One who is greater than can be conceived. The Omnipresent is greater than the limited. If a non-Omnipresent god is said to be greater, the question must be answered: How is spatial limitation greater than Omnipresence?

When Christ spoke to the Samaritan woman, He told her that true disciples will not have to only worship in Jerusalem or on a mountain, both of which are spatial locations. This seems to suggest that Spirit is not limited to location.

[patrissimo]

"believe Finis Jenning Dake used the Bible itself to interpret the Bible.
As to employing outside influences to understand God's word that is Satan's realm and as such, certain defeat in life and disillusion in our standing in God."

I have seen many over the years who say they use the Bible to interpret the Bible but who disagree with one another over many things. I'm not impressed by these things. What if a text that is used to shed light on another is itself not understood correctly? II Peter 3:16 is clear that the unlearned and unstable (i.e., uninstructed) wrest the scriptures to their own destruction. And Dake contradicted himself on this text as I have pointed out elsewhere.